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Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭whippet


    In summary - you will believe what you want to believe and anyone who doesn’t share your opinion is stupid … that includes actual scientist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,678 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    No teacher would give such an instruction to s child over a mask. They may well tell them to wear a mask if it is made mandatory. If it is it's there job to instruct them to. If they disobey then it's the school displinary process. Any parent telling a child to disobey a teacher over an issue like this is doing there child no favours.

    A mask is about protecting others not yourself.


    First off this teenager is now bedbound over two weeks. I got a flu and it lasted a week or a week and a half is not quite the same.

    I remember at school a teacher that used to wallop sh!the out of us. It never effected me but I know one or two lads that suffered later in life because of it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    No teacher would give such an instruction to s child over a mask. They may well tell them to wear a mask if it is made mandatory. If it is it's there job to instruct them to. If they disobey then it's the school displinary process. Any patent telling a child to disobey a teacher over an issue like this is doing there child no favours.

    As a general rule, it's a very good thing to inform your children that adults who tell them to keep secrets from their parents are bad people who mean to cause them harm.

    The rest isn't really relevant to me. I'll be homeschooling if they make masks mandatory in primary.

    For people who don't have that option there are single-layer cotton gauze masks available that allow near-unhindered air flow through the material.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,427 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Personally I think this is ridiculous post. But sure do whatever you think it's the best. That last paragraph of your post is just plain stupid. I don't think you are in position to advise anyone.

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,956 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I'm a vaccinated so i am not an antivaxxer,

    Now how many 1-12 year-olds are takin up hospital beds due to covid, ???????

    Ohhh wait what none , and vaccinated can still pass on the virus, so why in the name of god would we vaccinate children ,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,215 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Because reasons... Now away with you anti-vaxer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭choronzonix


    Doing a great job putting forth the benefits of vaccinating the under-12s there, well done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    If you can get past the "vaccines are scary medicines" piece, why wouldn't we vaccinate children? (and I'm also saying that it shouldn't be mandatory and I'll be surprised if the take up is greater than 50%).

    • Reduces transmission rates to varying degrees
    • Makes the very small chance of having a severe effect from the virus into a very very small chance.
    • Less chance they are off school sick if they do get exposed.
    • Has a higher benefit/risk ratio than other commonly used vaccines (mostly down to the infectious nature of SARS-COV2 and increased exposure chances)
    • Cheap compared to continual PCR testing and treating people at the GP/Hospital

    The reason not to is solely down to the risk associated with the vaccine, real or imagined, some parents will view the risks of the vaccines as greater, others will view the risks of the virus as greater and make their decisions accordingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭fleck


    why wouldn't we vaccinate children?

    Because the vast majority of adults in Africa have yet to get their first dose. There was consternation when the beacon hospital gave away 14 vaccines to people who were judged to be skipping the queue but now we're going to hand out vaccines to children and boosters to the healthy without a second thought to who is going without.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    That's alright. We can think each other is stupid and the world will not stop turning.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,427 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Sure, that's what we do. But I'm not telling to others what to do, or what to get to bypass something.

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Nor am I. If there's a mask mandate and you're wearing a mask, what exactly are you bypassing?

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    There was consternation because vaccines were in extremely short supply at the time. This is not the case as much anymore and Pfizer/SII/Moderna et al are supplying Africa directly with vaccines where there are huge logistics problems and hesitancy problems to overcome to increase the vaccinated % in the various countries many of which will be interested in other things than vaccines.

    You can see the various % here:

    COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people, Nov 28, 2021 (ourworldindata.org)

    Pay particular eye on those with no data or with very sporadic data updates, I'm actually surprised to see Uganda at 10/100 as their leader was very anti-vax.

    You can read more about it here if you're truly interested (and give to COVAX if you want to help):

    Covid-19 vaccines: Why some African states can't use their vaccines - BBC News

    There is more up to date information if you go looking for it (that's from June), but ultimately, we are already giving our excess supply to COVAX but also none of what we are going to use for boosters and children would end up in Africa anyway.

    There is also other diseases that impact Africa far more than COVID that we are not getting vaccines and medicines over to them for, thinking it would be solved for SARS-COV2 is wishful thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,427 ✭✭✭xhomelezz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    We've just donated 500,000 doses of Pfizer vaccine to Nigeria, so it's not like we can't do both.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,427 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


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    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    "It doesn't effect young kids, they don't get severe symptoms, none of them have to go to hospital, sure it's like a cold, why would you get them vaccinated..."

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Irishder


    Same question remains from Day 1 how many of those are in hospital/ICU with covid and how many are there because of Covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭Squeeonline


    Scientist and father of a 6 month old. I've had 3 vaccines (2x astra, 1x pfizer) and if my child were allowed to get the vaccine, I would not hestitate. We can hope that there is protection transferred via breast milk but I'd rather not rely on that alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Irishder


    How do you know its safe for young children? Genuine question, I'm vaccinated myself. I have an 8 year old and am reluctant to get him vaccinated. I dont want him to be one of the first to get it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭Squeeonline


    Nothing is 100% safe but the data coming from children from 5 being vaccinated in the USA indicates that whatever risks of vaccination are far lower than risk of infection. A vaccination would give me peace of mind when my family goes grocery shopping for example. Of course the baby is not wearing a mask and we minimise their exposure to strangers etc at the moment but if they were to be exposed, I'd be more comfortable if they were vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Good question. We only have the HPSC data to go on, but we do know no elective surgeries are being performed where the patient has COVID-19, so the chances of them being in hospital/ICU "with" COVID are less than the chances of them being there "because of" COVID.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,532 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    I think I read that there have been ZERO cases of cardio reactions in the under-12s in the US.

    We don't have any long-term data on the possible risks from COVID or vaccines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭Squeeonline


    We do know that people have long term side effects of COVID, the so called long COVID.


    Vaccines in general, do not have long term negative consequences in the overwhelming majority of cases. The RNA based vaccines are a new technology and you can bet their long term impact will be closely monitored. However, if you understand the science of RNA, you'll know that RNA short lived and easily degraded. It should be around just long enough to trigger an immune response.


    Personally, I hope that we get a huge number of new vaccines using this RNA platform. Vaccines for previously un-vaccinatable diseases like HIV could be right around the corner, and I will have my arm out waiting for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Think the poster may be trying to see how many had underlying conditions that were aggravated by Covid vs how many are simply suffering from Covid itself.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Your use of the phrase "long term" here is a bit odd for a scientist



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,532 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    True, there is no known "long vaccine" like there is "long covid". At least in the negative sense.

    I've read hypotheses that long covid is caused by reservoirs of virus in the body, like the way that herpes hides away and can re-emerge later, which is why (ISTR) around half of long covid sufferers have reported improvements after vaccination (as those reservoirs can be cleared by the immune response to the vaccination).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭Del Griffith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭appledrop


    The swine flu vaccine is an example of a vaccine that was rushed through + did have long term effects on children, narcolepsy.

    I wouldn't be hyping up the RNA vaccines just yet. They seem to prevent thankfully serious illness, but not in all cases + have very limited effect on stopping transmission + don't seem to be effective for very long in comparison with say childhood vaccines.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,532 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    The swine flu vaccine is an example of a vaccine that was rushed through + did have long term effects on children, narcolepsy.

    That is not proven.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html

    Besdies, there is a distinction between effects which last a long time, and effects which take a long time to appear.

    AFAIK there are no cases of vaccines causing the latter type of "long term effects".



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