Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

spaceHopper

https://www.newstalk.com/news/ireland-will-begin-vaccinating-children-as-soon-as-niac-gives-the-green-light-reid-1227045

Personally right now no.

It's approved for emergency use only

The data says it risk to kids from covid is very low. Up to now the irish government have said this, they are starting to change their tune. The risk from the vaccine is unknown.

Ten years out and children who developed narcolepsy from swine flu vaccines are still fighting for compensation.

The way the article puts it he expects NIAC to approve it. There is no if they feel it is save....

The introduction of the vaccine pass for anything other than international travel crossed a line for me. I fully expect it to be expanded to busses/trains.., college some jobs and possibly even schools.

JDxtra

Risk for children (as far as I can see) is near zero. I currently see no need to vaccinate children, certainly those under 16. I would not be keen on it unless there is some change and we have absolute clear evidence to say Covid is a significant risk to children.

spaceHopper

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631096#Comment_117631096

That can easily be arranged. The question is would you comply? What if they said no vaccine pass no school!

growleaves

No.

'Vaccine nationalism' has gotten a little out of hand imo.

Leave children alone, and accept that not every 85 year old has a long span ahead of them.

Former Former Former

https://boards.ie/discussion/2058199536/would-you-be-happy-for-your-children-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine

"It's approved for emergency use only" is not correct. They are authorised for use in the same way as conventional medicines.

At the moment, it is only the Pfizer vaccine that is authorised in children 12 and over. All the others are approved only for 18+. It will be quite a while before we have sufficient supplies of Pfizer to consider it. By the time that happens, there will be a lot more data from other countries on use in children so we'll know a lot more about the safety of them.

JDxtra

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631156#Comment_117631156

I would comply with evidence, but I am not seeing any evidence of a significant risk to children. Parents with at risk children are welcome to make their own choices, I have no issue with that. It would be very dangerous for the government to force vaccinations on children at this point in time.

Multipass

No, they don’t need it.

lawred2

The empirical evidence is there for all. Young children with covid have next to no symptoms nor illness. So what's the motivation for this?

BailMeOut

We can never hit herd immunity unless we vaccinate kids so that's the biggest benefit. My children have each received at least a dozen vaccines since they were babies so do not understand why anyone would have an issue adding this one to the list.

Former Former Former

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631364#Comment_117631364

We'll never reach herd immunity without it. We have more than a million people under 18.

Infection will keep circulating and keep picking vulnerable people off. Maybe not in huge numbers but it will always be a risk.

Serious illness in children is rare but not a zero risk. Enough kids get it, then a number will get really sick and some will die.

Piollaire

I'd be concerned about giving pfizer to a teenage son with myocarditis (heart inflammation) reported in 1 in 3000 cases of young men aged 16-30 in Israel

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pfizer-vaccine-probably-linked-to-heart-inflammation-israeli-panel-of-experts-concludes

lee_baby_simms

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631420#Comment_117631420

Herd immunity via vaccination is a mirage. We know that Pfizer vaccine is only 50% to 60% efficacious against delta with respect to symptomatic infection so the vaccines will never eradicate Covid rather protect people from the worst of it.

Its increasingly clear that Covid is now endemic and we’re all going to get it at some stage. We will get to a point in a year or two where everyone will have at least partial immunity and emerging Covid strains/variants will cause mild to moderate symptoms.

The issue I have with vaccinating children is that their risk from Covid is so low it’s incalculable and the risk of adverse events from the vaccine are far more of a threat to them.

ancapailldorcha

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631420#Comment_117631420

Precisely. We either attain herd immunity or we end up with a new vaccine-resistant variant and start all over again.

Lumen

Yes. IMO the virus poses a greater health risk to them than the vaccine.

spaceHopper

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631306#Comment_117631306

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine1

Still under emergency use in US

Not so sure if it's the caser in europe, depends on how you intrepid the wording

Conditional marketing authorisation

A conditional marketing authorisation is one of EU’s regulatory mechanisms for facilitating early access to medicines that fulfil an unmet medical need, including in emergency situations such as the current pandemic.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-recommends-first-covid-19-vaccine-authorisation-eu

TefalBrain

Myself and my wife have talked about it and our 14yo won't be getting it. Our 19 year old has already decided she's not getting it neither. The risks are virtually zero for either as the virus is no more dangerous than a common cold for that age group.

spaceHopper

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631557#Comment_117631557

Yea I'm the same I've had both shots, my wife is due her second, we've eight year old twins and we aren't keen on the getting the vaccine. I think there will be a lot of pressure from government to do it. Including do it for the grannies and probably the vaccine pass at the end of it all. No pass = No school.

scuba8

I would absolutely have my children get whichever vaccine is approved for them.

if the attitude of some around here was prevalent previously we would still be struggling with Smallpox and Polio.

Lisha

My children want the vaccine ASAP in the hope that normal life will return.

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631593#Comment_117631593

12-15 may be considered here but nowhere are they looking at doing younger than that yet, if ever. No pass for something like measles makes sense at an R0 of 16-18 where you really need 95% of the whole population vaccinated but that is not COVID and risks to smaller kids are pretty small.

JDxtra

Younger children are not impacted by this - it is not Smallpox or Polio. If you live in fear of this virus, by all means vaccinate your children when ready. Don't be outraged when others refuse to do the same.

JDxtra

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631610#Comment_117631610

Normal life should resume without the need to vaccinate the younger children whom are not impacted by this.

JDxtra

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631593#Comment_117631593

It's a tough sell - grannies should be vaccinated and children have a right to school. It will be a very divisive issue.

spaceHopper

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631599#Comment_117631599

A 5 year old was given the swine flu vaccine, he will never drive, ride a bike, swim, surf.... his ability do get an education or job is impacted. He's now 15 and has finally reached a settlement after going to the high court to get it. So his parents probably had to scrimp and save to fund that. So they and any siblings missed out on things we would all like to give our children. They aren't the only ones.

The reason that sticks with me was around the time of swine flu I'd a bad chest infection and when to my GP, we got to talking about the vaccine, he was very suspicious of it because the HSE wanted doctors to cover it under their practice insurance and not the HSE's he felt they were worried about it so pushed in on the GP's, he was right!

Smallpox and Polio, they've had them - those are high risk illness.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631306#Comment_117631306

In the United States they have FDA Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) which is not the same as FDA approval (less rigorous).

In Europe they have Conditional Marketing Authorisation which means they can be sold for 1 year without full data on efficacy and side-effects.

Lumen

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631634#Comment_117631634

This is a particularly obnoxious framing of the issue, similar in tone to the "why don't you just hide under your bed" framing of relaxation of restrictions.

It is not necessary to "live in fear" (or conversely, signal your bravery) in order to make the judgement that the overall risk/benefit of the vaccine falls one way or another.

There are known inflammatory side effects from both the vaccines and the virus, so the judgement of which is "better" depends on a number of factors, not least the risk of infection which varies as the pandemic waxes and wanes.

Drexel_3

I'm very pro vaccine but would hesitate getting the kids done for covid just yet. No enough information out there

323

No

Even the OP's posted article (Newstalk FFS) states the WHO stance that Children should not be vaccinated.

The term approved seems to be thrown around here a lot in relation to these vaccines. "Conditional marketing authorisation" from the EMA or "Emergency Use Authorization" from the FDA does not equate to approved.

TefalBrain

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631593#Comment_117631593

There will be blue murder if they try and prevent kids going to school because they are not vaccinated. I'm not anti vax by any means and yes iv'e seen the very rare cases of kids getting sick and a tiny tiny percentage who have died from Covid but the vast vast majority have a few sniffles and they are better. If other parents want to let their kids have it i totally respect that but i'll wait and see for a couple of years and see the long term issues if any.

Former Former Former

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631815#Comment_117631815

The WHO stance is a general one because most vaccines have not been studied in children. The Pfizer one has been.

Also, the WHO does not agree with vaccinating Western children while vulnerable people in developing counties are still unvaccinated. Which is fair enough.

This is important though. The vaccines are approved. A conditional authorisation means you have to file a yearly progress update on ongoing studies and safety. That is all. It is very common even for non-pandemic drugs and it is utterly disingenuous to paint this as a safety concern. The alternative is to get vaccines sometime in 2027.

TomSweeney

No they don't need it, and I say this as someone who got my 2 Pfizer shots and my wife has too.

But look at the data on covid with kids and flu is actually worse for them - the people pro vaccinating kids will say it's to protect the elderly and vulnerable - the elderly and vulnerable that will be 100% done by the time they go on to kids ???

Clown world.

Talisman

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631557#Comment_117631557

My niece is 15 years of age and has been suffering from neurological effects since recovering from the disease early last year. She's an incredibly intelligent person and had been doing college classes in maths and science while in middle school, to put it in context that's the equivalent of a Junior Cert student also studying for a university degree. She has gone from sailing through her classes as an A student at university level to struggling to pass her exams at school level. Her ongoing symptoms are brain fog, chronic fatigue, insomnia - she had a seemingly mild dose of covid but it has robbed her of a bright future.

There is a lot that scientists haven't yet come to understand about the effects of virus and it would be foolish to dismiss it as no more dangerous than the common cold.

https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/this-is-your-brain-on-covid19

KellyKelly

My 5 year old wont be getting the Vaccine, If its not broke, don't fix it.

paw patrol

my kids will not be taking the vaccine for covid.

The more unvaccinated hosts there are for the virus to infect, the more chances there are of new variants emerging.

The next variant might be even more transmissable then delta or might be the one that is resistant to all current vaccines, and we're back were we started.

The virus doesn't care about the age of the host.

So while I understand the hesitancy from parents until more is known about the covid vaccine and its effects on children, I think ultimately if we are ever to get this thing under control, in the end as many teenagers and children as possible will have to be vaccinated too.

paw patrol

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631306#Comment_117631306

This is just incorrect.

it has a conditional marketing authorisation in the EU - a sort of fast track without the usual requirements normally requested. These will come in time I assume but to suggest that the vaccines are authorised as is the norm is just wrong.

fits

2 kids. one has an underlying condition - learning disability. Both have had viral episodes and ended up in hospital with breathing difficulties. My LD boy would not cope well with oxygen masks and hospital environment. And any virus hits him harder than the rest of us.

So yes I would be very keen that they take an approved vaccine. They get annual flu jabs, had chicken pox vaccines too. Im also very keen that the school year is uninterrupted...

JDxtra

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632221#Comment_117632221

To be clear - you want to vaccinate young children in case they are the cause of a new variant? Even though they themselves are at a near zero risk?

fits

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632302#Comment_117632302

Not all kids are 'near-zero' risk. What about them?

Del Griffith

I got banned from the reddit corona virus subreddit /r/coronavirus for suggesting that it was highly unjustified to vaccinated children and that in no way should covid-unvaccinated children be prevented from going to school and their right to education.

Note I'm not anti-vax at all and am vaccinated myself. I just don't see the logic in vaccinating toddlers who have zero risk from Covid, it's ultimately just selfish of the older generation to force children to take any (very minor as it may be) risk, solely for their own benefit.

I would be willing to take a 100 euro bet with anyone on this forum that:

1 - The vaccines will be approved for children

2 - Not overnight, but ultimately if there isn't enough take up, they will not be allowed to attend schools without it

It's going to happen and it's going to get messy.

JDxtra

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632327#Comment_117632327

No issue with parents vaccinating any at risk children. If it benefits that particular child and the vaccine is approved and available, it makes sense.

Del Griffith

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Del Griffith

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631632#Comment_117631632

It is being considered, more than that, its coming this year - https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccines-kids-under-age-12-expected-mid-winter-fda-official-n1274057

For kids aged 5 - 11 they are aiming for September. I wonder why that could be..

Hotblack Desiato

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631156#Comment_117631156

That's what they should do with all vaccines. No parent has the right to put other people's kids at risk of disease.

And yes my kids will be getting the coronavirus vaccine as soon as it's available for them. We will not be indoor dining on holiday etc. until the kids are vaccinated.

Former Former Former

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632241#Comment_117632241

See my additional clarification above. I didn't expect people to want the full details.

The Pfizer vaccine was granted a conditional authorisation in December 2020, it became the thirteenth drug to get a conditional authorisation in Europe that year. None of the other 12 had anything to do with Covid. There were eight in 2019, obviously none related to Covid.

It is an accelerated route to market for drugs that fill a major gap in public health but it is not particularly unusual.

fits

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632395#Comment_117632395

And do you have an issue with the virus being allowed to spread freely through schools? Maybe your kids would be alright, but not all would.

JDxtra

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632515#Comment_117632515

But, if the vaccine is available & approved for children and some parents opt in - does it really matter if others opt out (for now)?

Deeec

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631820#Comment_117631820

I would be of the same opinion as you that kids dont need to be vaccinated. We dont know if these vaccines has any long term side affects yet.

I do think though we will start hearing from the teachers unions around the middle of August spouting that teachers do not want to go back to schools if kids are not vaccinated. They will be pushing for remote learning - its predicatable.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632302#Comment_117632302

Thats a very emotive way to put it, you make it sound like I'm blaming children if a new variant emerges. Thats not the case at all.

The point is a new variant could emerge undo all the work that has been done so far and put us back to square one, with everyone at risk, young and old.

The chances of this happening must be minimised and if that involves vaccinating children, so there are fewer hosts then yes, vaccinate children too.

Believe me, I understand parental hesitancy on new vaccines. My daughter was in one of the very first groups to get the HPV vaccine.

JDxtra

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632564#Comment_117632564

Anybody with children where there is a clear benefit to them of being vaccinated should consider a vaccine when approved and available. For others, I can't see any benefit right now of vaccinating otherwise healthy children for no reason.

Of course, in a heartbeat. Kids get a load of shots as it is. Hell its the reason most of them make it to adulthood