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Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭ IrishPlayer


    Also one for Wibbs, was looking through the sales section of Watchuseek and came across a vintage Lip diver [Link] €300 a good price for one?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,029 ✭✭✭✭ banie01


    Has anyone bought from Watchmaster? I know they have a "black Friday" offer on at the moment but, anyone any experience of pitching them an offer?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭ eljono


    Yeah I've bought a couple of watches from WF and they were open to negotiation.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 57,796 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Yes you can negotiate. Particularly if you try sell them your watch first (wait for their cash offer) and then show interest in a trade up to one of their watches. Which one you interested in, post a link and we will have a guess how much they'll let it go for 😂



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,029 ✭✭✭✭ banie01




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 57,796 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    That's not Watchfinder though, is it?


    Edit, my bad, I thought you were asking about Watchfinder. I have no experience with Watchmaster, but they look to have a similar business model, so you can always ask for discount or offer below asking price. Wait till close to the end of the month, might help (if salesperson needs to up their revenue for commission reasons)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭ eljono


    Apologies, I thought you were asking about Watchfinder, but from clicking on that link I see you were taking about Watchmaster 😬

    Nice looking watch and price seems pretty decent?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,853 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    Are watch master a more consignment based model? So it will vary from watch to watch interms of what may be acceptable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,029 ✭✭✭✭ banie01


    Lads, you have given me some hope that at least I'm not going insane 🤣 The actual amount of times I am finding myself needing to check myself that something I've read actually says what my brain has registered it as or expected it to be? Has grown exponentially over the last few months.

    I know they do a lot of sales that way alright. Their stock on Chrono24 has a make a price suggestion option, but on their own site there isn't such an option.

    I've thrown them an email making an offer anyway. I'll let the thread know how it goes. They have a €150 off code on the price tier it's at, but I'm hoping with the 150 off and buying direct via Chrono24 with their 6% or so 😉

    That a deal can be done.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭ Fitz II


    Its a 36mm, defo gold plated on the case and back, light watch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,523 ✭✭✭✭ OmegaGene


    I bought a vintage gold Rolex from watch master a couple of months ago and it was supplied with genuine box and paper and I double checked the numbers matched the papers etc

    when the watch arrived the serial number was illegible unfortunately and using a 50x loupe with led light didn’t help, the papers supplied by watch master were their own and the numbers they could make out were replaced with the letter x

    I contacted them and explained my concern and speaking to the manager I was told the watch checked out with their expert as genuine and could be stolen and thieves only go for newer models, after lots of emails and calls I just returned the watch, I wasn’t out of pocket but it pi55ed me right off



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,029 ✭✭✭✭ banie01


    That's at very best sharp practice and is IMO far closer to actual fraud than some horror stories I've seen.

    How could they possibly be certain it wasn't stolen and worse? How could they stand over a matched set, when the serial is illegible.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    So definitely a bloke's watch(of the time). Interesting that the caseback is golden Fitz. 9 times out of 10 a plated case would get a steel caseback* and a golden caseback usually means actual gold, certainly with Swiss watches. American casemakers were more likely to have plated(gold filled to make it sound fancier) casebacks. I wonder was it cased in the US and originally sold there? With US tax and import laws up to the late 60's a lot of Swiss brands were cased in the US by local makers to get around the penalties.

    At this kinda period I'd not go by weight to judge. The watches were much smaller and "solid" gold dress cases were thin, whereas today precious metal cases are much bigger and thicker so you can feel the heft more as a selling point. I've a 40's Longines in solid 14Kt and a strong gust of wind would carry it away. 50's Patek calatravas are surprisingly light in the hand if you're used to more current stuff.

    It would be interesting to see the movement and inside the caseback. It's got a pretty hefty "waterproof" screwdown back, whereas most dress watches at the time would have been press fit.


    *much of this was down to a plated case wearing, exposing the nickle or whatever and causing rashes in some. Not good for return biz. 😁

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,523 ✭✭✭✭ OmegaGene


    They were arguing the toss with me for ages and were saying things like they’ve paid the seller and loads of other buyers were interested in the watch and now they’ve lost those buyers, I wasn’t impressed with the manager at all tbh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭ Fitz II


    Wibbs if you are interested in the watch shoot me a PM and I will send it to you. Defo American origin from the story behind it. I have no great us of it and you would get more enjoyment than me out of it....



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    Ah Fitz that's extremely sound of you. 😊👍️ I reckon a certain chap hereabouts by the name of Irishplayer might be the far better choice, him heading down the watchmaker route and all. He'd stand an actual chance of getting it running again. TBH though I've had some minor success with mechanical stuff, for some reason I've had way more success with wacky early leccy stuff. Probably because I'm daft enough to try. 😁

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    PS I'd like to see you wear it Fitz. Just to imagine your face at "WTF is this tiny feckin thing on my wrist. Man size my arse". 😁

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 993 ✭✭✭ Time


    I'd never heard of that type movement before, has anyone any idea of the logic behind not having a full rotor?



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    Sorry I missed this IP. I would say 300 quid is a bit steep for one of those. Though it is in very good condition. Used ones tend to look rough as from what I recall these are chrome plated brass cases. The bracelet being a replacement. These would have come on a rubber strap. I've seen them go for 200 in ebay auctions. The LIP of this designer period that get the money are almost always the electronic or quartz types, the mechanical not so much at all(though early pre electronic LIP Nautic divers get a premium) and the quirkier looking the better as far as that segment of the market goes.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    The bumper type of automatic is the earliest(in wristwatches) pioneered by Harwood back in the 20's. Afterwards Rolex came along with the full rotor kind. Maybe some went with the bumper type because of copyright, likely held by Rolex for a time? Rolex didn't invent the automatic, but did develop the full rotor type which is more efficient and the most commonly used since and today. They didn't invent the screwdown crown either, but bought an existing patent and improved the clutch design. When Rolex did innovate which was rarely enough, they kinda did an Apple computers. That is took an existing idea and design and noticeably improved and promoted it. They did the same with the date window(Mimo/GP invention) by adding a day and popularised the GMT(Longines invention) beyond what was a tiny niche.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 57,796 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel



    I remember the story alright about Jobs steeling the mouse idea from HP I think? And of course Apple didn't invent the smart phone.

    So Rolex is like Apple? 😮

    F me, gotta dump them all now 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,029 ✭✭✭✭ banie01


    If memory serves the mouse (and a couple of other innovations integral to the paperless office) was a Xerox development?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    😂 Yeah kinda. In the sense that Apple and Steve Jobs were incredibly good at spotting a future trend and bringing different innovations together, tweaking them to make it better and promoting it brilliantly. Rolex and Hans Wilsdorf certainly did that. Jobs and Wilsdorf were true giants of spotting and creating trends and driving buyer demand. Where they differ is that Apple were far more actually innovative than Rolex ever were. As I've said before it would be hard to name a mainstream Swiss brand who innovated less than Rolex. Omega and Longines(and Seiko on the Japanese front) would be so far ahead of them Rolex would need the services of the Hubble telescope to see them, but neither are within an asses roar of the public perception of Rolex. Save for bringing together previous outside innovations like screwdown backs, fronts and crowns and later an automatic movement into the first Rolex Oysters of the 1920's and setting a trend for "Waterproof" watches*(which was very clever), they've done remarkably little since. One exception would be their inhouse Oysterquartz movement of the 1970's which was way ahead in innovation and quality compared to their mechanical movements up until quite recently.

    What is remarkable is that Rolex is the "luxury" watch brand of the world and the vast majority of their fans and the general public would believe they were the bees knees in quality and innovation. The Pride and Pinion lad in between effin and blinding and willy jokes again claimed in a recent vid that Rolex invented the waterproof watch and as a "watch expert" he should know that's bollocks. Then again, bollocks sells... That's a helluva trick to pull off and Rolex did and continue to do so.



    *though in reality it wasn't that much of a trend until the 1960's. The vast majority of watches sold up till then weren't nor claimed to be waterproof. It seems it was a fair way down the list for the casual buying market. The whole outdoor sport and scuba diving thing changed that. Though there had been a brief rumbling of that in the 1920's.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭ emo72


    Hi lads, I have a sumo that's had a few dings and looks a bit sorry, I'm looking to get it polished up and upgraded to a sapphire crystal. Anyone know anywhere that would do it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭ eljono


    I've had my head turned recently by the Tudor Pelagos and wondering if anyone on the forum has one? I'd love to get a look at one and try it on to see if it fits well or not.

    The 2012 model I think would suit better from a size POV being 1mm less thick than the newer version, however the latest model has the in-house chronometer caliber with the 70-hour power reserve which is quite appealing.

    For the Limerick folk, do you know if Keane's stock Tudor? I don't remember seeing any models on display last time I was there, but I think that was pre-covid so may have changed since then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,853 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    They def stock them in Cork so assume have a selection in the Limerick branch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭ Pablo_Flox


    @Lex Luthor I was poking around some old threads and I see that you used to have a Stowa Ikarus. Do you still have it? I would be interested in your thoughts after a few years of ownership.

    I am having a good luck at them!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭ Private Snafu




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