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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,099 ✭✭✭prunudo


    While the tone of the article is welcome, the use of that sort of image still suggests that the media want to protray the protests a being a group of anti vax nutters.

    Post edited by prunudo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    half Austria levels currently though so less spikey

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    ...and they've had their first confirmed cases of the new variant.

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Absolutely, and the way the article ends with a spiel about how the WHO says vaccines are good, and public health measures are important, etc etc etc, is very much a "we are reporting on this story because we should, but we are going to reinforce the official line as the parting shot" kind of approach.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    I'll give it to you thag you went from one of the most pedantic posters to someone who has some consistent views.

    However I still can't forgive the "what lockdown? I go across the board. No lockdown at all for me"

    Lol joking.

    Anyway. NPHET need going.

    Multiple experts who were never invited back onto RTE said the worst thing you can do is let public health officials in charge. Their world view is very skewed.

    It would be like letting Jamie Oliver dictate what we should all eat and giving him the power to make the government impose restrictions based on that opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Ah right. You think the new variant is just a ploy to encourage people to get a booster?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    I think there is likely hood that those in positions of power in the WHO and other organisation have ties to higher ups in the pharmaceutical industry.


    Tbh I don't consider that some crazy conspiracy.

    Recently watched a documentary about wirecard in Germany.

    They were reported to be worth billions until an anonymous leak said it was false. A reporter published in and the German financial regulators started a prosecution against the reporter and news paper who broke the story.

    This stuff happens. Do you really think it's not happening at all?

    Subscription based pharmaceuticals and you are helping people at the same time..maybe not as much as you report you are but still...easily done by people in those positions and they would feel justified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    That poster doesn't give a toss about anyone else.

    Sending vaccines to Africa would save far more lives than pumping them into kids in Ireland.

    He/she will be safer when coming into contact with kids once they are vaccinated, who cares about poorer countries.

    All in this together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Yeah, I know you said you were joking but I need to make this clear to some people (not aimed directly at you) - at no stage did I ever say there are no restrictions if you don't do restricted things. What I actually said was that I could go for days without restrictions having any baring on my life. It was a comment on the situation with restrictions having eased so much. That seemed to upset some people.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,413 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Ireland hasn't been taking it's excess supply of vaccines, some of these have been going to COVAX, however, for Africa specifically the issue has been more of logistics and hesitancy, the supply is now there for them but it will still be used very slow (and part of it is down to lack of threat from SARS-COV2 due to a lower average age). It makes no logistic sense for Ireland to send any of the vaccines we have in storage to Africa (there is a lot of bureaucracy around medicines as we saw when buying from Romania), they will be coming directly from the manufacturers instead. Africa doesn't just need vaccines, it needs supply chains to store and distribute them (and leaders to both encourage usage of them and not play politics with them, there has been a huge amount of waste because of this).

    There is also multiple vaccines available that we aren't using, Novavax is now approved in Indonesia, India is producing it's own vaccines as is Cuba.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,233 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,099 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I'd really like to know what they're worried about, hospital numbers are falling, cases have stabilised, boosters continually being done, and a new variant that doesn't appear to be much concern based on early data.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,446 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    It's because we have a bunch of cowards in government who will do the bidding of the medics in NPHET. Eamon Ryan's quote earlier today shows what a bunch of cowards we have "leading" us. Frightened people way in over their heads.

    Speaking on The Anton Savage Show, Minister Ryan said:


    “I’ll be honest, I was frightened yesterday. It was a blow because I was kind of thinking, ‘If we get these boosters out, we’ll be in much better shape’ - which we will. And the prospect that you could have something that could work around those vaccines, let’s be honest, it was the most disheartening news since the start of this I guess."





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Calm yourself down, as usual you jump to conclusions. Likely to be international travel related if anything in my opinion, such as PCR tests required etc. Let's wait and see before jumping to conclusions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,099 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Posted that on the other thread. Shock horror a virus does what viruses do, and one of our head politicians proclaims that he was shocked and it dealt him a blow. What a gormless idiot. And these are the clowns supposedly leading us. No wonder the cmo, with his assertive personality is running rings around them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Sorry part of it is due to a lack of threat due to average lower age but you want 5 Yr olds vaccinated in Ireland.

    Vaccine hesitancy what is it 7% of the population vaccinated so how many have been offered a vaccine and declined it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    By all accounts posters were queuing for hours in the freezing cold to get triple jabbed today - its not a problem with people getting jabbed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,413 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I'm not saying that, I'm saying that the vaccine supply coming to Ireland doesn't help the situation in Africa much unless we start supplying them with the logistics to manage the rollout as well. How much euro should we be putting into that effort?

    Africa is getting it's own supply via COVAX (which we contribute to) and from the manufacturers directly, this doesn't mean Ireland should stop it's vaccine rollouts unless our plan is to remain in restrictions forever (or stop treating those vulnerable to SARS-COV2).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    So MHQ on the way back.

    Wow ... this is just in **** sane!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The African countries are less than 10% on average from what I have seen for being full vaxed.

    From what I heard which i am happy to be corrected on and hopefully I am, the virus mutates in the unvaccinted, so us putting vaccines into kids while poor countries don't have access to vaccines makes it more likely for a more dangerous variant to grow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,446 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The same playbook being used again which is the same failed strategies that they've used for 20 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    When is the next review of measures, Feb 2022?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    Variants mutate just as much in vaccinated people while they infected as unvaccinated.

    The strains mutate through selective pressure. That's how you get vaccine resistant strains of viruses.

    This is a concern that is know about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,413 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Sure, but both are happening at once, it's not like each booster/child vaccinated in Ireland means 1 less vaccinated in Africa, distribution of vaccines (distribution of anything) in Africa is tricky and isn't solved by just sticking our spares on a plane and flying them over (otherwise we'd be solving lots of other issues such as food and other basic medicines which are probably more valuable to them than vaccines).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Its twice a week to add, twice a year to remove.



  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wouldn't be surprised to see lockdown by next week with what Israel have done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Could be inevitable I'm afraid. I'm sure some of the loons on here will blame RTE or Claire Byrne though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,539 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Two weeks to slow the spread flatten the curve **** ourselves about a new variant get everyone vaccinated boost everyone **** ourselves about a new variant.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



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