Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118228887#Comment_118228887

Surely Post of the year 😂👌

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230152#Comment_118230152

Outside of so many people getting their vaccines I don't think we've done anything better. Unlike here most European countries have had nightclubs (which lasted 3 weeks here) and festivals all summer long.

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230936#Comment_118230936

Remember the Euros.

Copenhagen with full stadiums in June.

We've only had full attendances in the last few weeks. And we're going backwards at a rate of knots.

Definitely worth all the caution.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230948#Comment_118230948

Well it proves the 'stay in restrictions to avoid going back into restrictions' mantra was the biggest pile of crap we've heard.

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230970#Comment_118230970

We've taken a sledgehammer to the economy and to people's lives in general only to end up in the exact same place as everyone else.

At this stage, it's quite clear that the emperor has no clothes when it comes to Ireland's response to covid

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230981#Comment_118230981

Yeah, when the only tool you have is a hammer then everything looks like a nail.

Look at this week's letter from NPHET as an example. Children aren't responsible for the ICU numbers yet that's the narrative being put forward. Oh, look, it's the playdates and sleepovers and birthday parties that need curbing. It's a scandalous message to be putting out.

bear1

Mhq to be reinstated for those arriving from the affected countries.

I wonder if Belgium will be on it.

And it seems kids will need masks now, decision next week but sources say they are in agreement with hulahoop.

Mad.

Don't Chute!

The thing I find absolutely fcuking astonishing about this whole thing is that no matter what fcuking nonsense these cretins come up with the guys in here will go along with it. Absolutely no questions asked. But then again that’s kind of the reason we are here in the first place. Decades of never questioning our betters resulting in the shambles of a healthcare system we have.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231312#Comment_118231312

the sainted Tony has replaced Archbishop John Charles mcquaid as the voice of reason/fear.and we all know how that worked out in the end.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231312#Comment_118231312

And if you do question the cretins (as you call them) you are treated as some sort of conspiracy nut or anti vaxxer. Covid has really brought out the worst traits in people especially in how they want to treat kids who covid has very little to no impact on. People need to step a step back.

shesty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230858#Comment_118230858

Part of the toolbox 😄

But actually what I am really saying is that 94% vaccinated and some restrictions is barely keeping a lid on it here.Because of.. ..(drum roll) the state of our health system.(Ad.Nauseum).

Other countries could open most of their society up almost fully with a much lower vaccination rate up til very recently.

Wd had to get 94% vaccinated just to be able to struggle along, it would appear and that is before you start considering vaccine efficacy and the rest.

So they do work.They would just "work" better if our Health system was in better shape.Can't be saying that though.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230152#Comment_118230152

it depends, it looks like countries like Britain and Sweden arent seeing the big European spikes so they are probably closer to herd immunity. Ireland is in the group of countries that is further away from herd immunity do either its coming or I dont know

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231475#Comment_118231475

The hospital capacity explains the connection to needing a high vaccine uptake. I'd agree there, but that does not explain, why for the past 4 months we've had nearly 2.5x the incidence rate as other equally vaccinated countries (Portugal/Spain/France/Denmark etc...)

Very easy to blame our hospital capacity, but when cases were higher than countries listed above, if we had similar hospital capacity, it stands to reason we wouldn't have been as opened as them.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231312#Comment_118231312

Not even go along with it, they actively start to defend and justify it all, no matter how inane and contradictory the nonsense was to begin with.

But then it's just a game to a lot of lads on here, its easy to pick a side when you sitting on your arse at home not really affected by it all.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231312#Comment_118231312

This thread is full of everyone questioning everything.

watchingfromafar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231762#Comment_118231762

It's full of goalpost movers

PicardWithHair

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231312#Comment_118231312

It's like the catholic church in 1950s Ireland again - NPHET are the new priests and bishops to these little lickspittles...

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118232069#Comment_118232069

Hmmmmm

Valhallapt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118232069#Comment_118232069

I believe we should all get vaccinated, wear a mask and wash our hands. Restrictions are necessary but should be temporary and balanced.

I believe Nphet have done a bad job. I believe their restrictions went on for far too long and their “projections” are made to fit Tony’s narrative and not based on data. And that their anti science stance on antigen testing is criminal.

im not a conspiracy theorist, I dislike trump and think rittenhouse is a murderer.

I do however think that Nphet used the Catholic Church playlist of yester year, gaslighting the public, and singling out individuals as the problem. Arrogant bunch, shouldn’t be given any airtime. Their job is to inform government not put the fear of god into the public.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118232126#Comment_118232126

Excellent post 👏

The way they talk down to us is shocking, as you say, reminiscent of the church is years gone by. If they think we're too thick too use masks or antigen tests then a good start would be a media campaign to show us the error of our ways. Not talk to us in a condescending manner.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118232212#Comment_118232212

NPHET to me were fundamental in getting through this but like the rest of us haven't always come up with the right type of thinking about things. Having a non-statutory body, with virtually the same members, functioning for the best part of two years is not a good thing.

NPHET have a very mixed scorecard.  The highs are unquestionably their unflappable calm in Spring and Summer last year and also a welcome determination to steady the ship in the bad times of last Winter.

Messaging and their stance on antigen testing are definitely the lows. There's  something almost schizophrenic about them in the way they flip from stark disciplinarians to hand holding buddies.

Equally damning is how they lost their way from being a purely advisory body to one that effectively controlled every action of government.  At times that was necessary, but there are key points during this where it was all about NPHET and almost an insistence that their advice be implemented. Having a worrywart like Martin and the completely ineffectual Donnelly in place meant they were likely to prevail almost all the time.

Their modelling has been discussed extensively on this site but it is clear that it's not a particularly helpful tool in the way that they project. Nobody expects perfection but close to the ballpark makes them useful. That said, I think their decision making has also fallen victim to the models, to the extent that they're not even prepared to project lower levels of infection.

Finally, we have the almost pointless recommendations over the last month or so, the latest scraping the barrel on pettiness. As with their models, they continue to obsess about daily cases and while they are high they are no longer translating into large numbers of hospitalizations. this is down to a combination of oodles of kids getting COVID and boosters taking effect through the age groups.

If we ever end up in a scenario we need to produce a NPHET again there are lessons in all of this. 

Red Silurian

Facemasks being reintroduced in England, not exactly game changing but the shower of idiots we have making the laws here will probably sh1t themselves for no good reason

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118232646#Comment_118232646

Forgive me if I'm mistaking you for another poster...but have you had a rapid change of opinion in the past week or so?

M_Murphy57

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118232126#Comment_118232126

This sums up my feelings exactly.

And on top, we have a leaf from the fascist playback of labelling *anyone* who questions Tony's anti science garbage "rules" as "right wing anti vax nut jobs" to the point where any criticism of nphet (like your post) has to be qualified with "I'm not an amti vaxxer"

I'm not an anti vaxer either. I think nphet are criminally incompetent. Ticketed nightclubs has no scientific basis in disease prevention. It was clear "2000 deaths by September if restaurants open in june" was ludicrous and blatant agenda pushing. No one has ever died after attending a nativity play. Ever.

It's clear we have a lot of mediocre men in charge who would rather gaslight the population into thinking black is white then admit they were wrong ever on anything.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231527#Comment_118231527

Uk is high and remains high

Don't Chute!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118232764#Comment_118232764

Imagine that Penfailed!! Someone changing their mind! That post speaks volumes about you to be honest.

MilkyToast

I just saw an RTE article reporting that "Thousands attend Dublin protest over Covid measures".

It's like upside-down world.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118232878#Comment_118232878

I was asking a question. Is that suddenly a crime in here? I've openly admitted that my opinions have changed as time has passed over the whole pandemic. So...what exactly does it say about me...to be honest?

shesty

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/several-thousand-protest-in-dublin-over-covid-19-public-health-measures-1.4740932

Some interesting commentary.This the beginning of a pushback I wonder?

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118233008#Comment_118233008

I do believe that there's a lot to protest about..

But I sigh when I see front and center a "Do not take the kill shot" placard... I would struggle to bring myself to be associated with that type of sh!t