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  • Registered Users Posts: 907 ✭✭✭ iColdFusion


    Student accommodation is typically 6 small ensuite bedrooms with one shared kitchen / living room and are easier to fit into the footprint of a building as they only need one entrance door, its alot of extra income compared to one or two bed apts and you can clearly see that with the amount of them going up around Cork!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭ Markcheese


    Are the major tax breaks still in place ? Or are they long gone ?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭ who_me


    O'Callaghan Properties announcing Phase 1 of the docklands redevelopment. Already looks very promising. The one quibble would be the relative lack of apartments. They mention about 450,000 sq. feet of offices (so about 4,000 workers) but the article mentions 160 apartments. The "2,000 homes" in the title, I'm not sure of. Might be in future phases?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,160 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21


    The 2k homes are indeed in future phases. That article mentions 160 apartments in Phase 1, of which 80 will be build to sell.

    They seem to have prelet the hospital which means that should be a definite yes for development



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,963 ✭✭✭ TheChizler


    There's always a cinema that never materialises... Great to see something happening here eventually but I'm betting the residential and hospital get watered down. Pity about R&H but it would take a charity case to try and do something with that.

    Are Goulding's included in that 30-something acre land bank? Eyeballing a map the area north of centre Park road doesn't look that big alone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭ Mefistofelino


    What's shown in the renderings is only around 8-10 acres. To get 30 acres, they'll need to take the entire site down as far as Monahan Road.

    To unlock the worksite, they are going to have to complete the transfer of the port operations to Belvelly. Permission was only granted earlier this year for site clearance at Marino Point, which was expected to take 18 months.

    I just hope the hospital operator, Orpea, has started their negotiations with the VHI. Otherwise they'll be heading down the same road as Sheehan Medical who initially had the Mater premises in Mahon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 907 ✭✭✭ iColdFusion


    The planners need to tie developments like this into the developer providing a significant percent of the housing/apts required to accommodate the staff for them otherwise OCD are just making profit at the expense of everyone trying to rent in Cork, developers keep crying about apts not being cost effective but I'm sure they would change their tune quick enough when their lucrative office blocks can't be built without housing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭ Cork_exile


    I don't understand how housing, schooling, and grocery shop provisions are not part of planning applications.


    The lack of these three, alone, is a massive driver of car traffic.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭ Mav11


    The lack of these three, alone, is a massive driver of car traffic.

    I see that a new bridge and LUAS are included in the O'Callaghan proposal. It would be nice if that happened.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭ Cork_exile


    Oh for sure but would love to see a drive to have the new city as a living city and not just an empty shell when commuters go home.

    Every time you have a commuter (and I am one) you end up with houses requiring 2 cars anyway. Have people working/living/learning in the city and the NEED for a car diminishes. Families, to be fair, generally will need one but the requirement for 2 should be gone

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  • Registered Users Posts: 907 ✭✭✭ iColdFusion


    That's it though, OCP will say to the planners "oh all our workers will be whisked into the offices from Ballincollig on the new light rail system and that new Monard town will have loads of new housing so we don't need to provide anything locally because the government are definitely going to build all that because they have said they will, also here are some lovely 3D renders for your planning dept to wet themselves over" 🙄


    You might have read between the lines and guessed I would like them to just build the f#cking apts and houses Cork City needs not more bloody offices!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭ snotboogie


    Is that the JCD building on the right of the second image?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭ who_me


    Just a placeholder building image I think. The revised office development there is shorter, more squat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,749 ✭✭✭✭ the beer revolu


    I'd love to have seen something imaginative done with R&H Hall buildings but it was never going to happen, really.

    If that bridge doesn't get built, they are going to have to figure out a way of getting traffic out other than Albert Road - that's already problematic.

    Still, good to see some progress.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,695 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980


    Only there for the shiny rendered images. The light rail and bridge are dependent on public funding being made available to get them built. You're talking around 20 years for that to happen under CMATS.



  • Registered Users Posts: 880 ✭✭✭ Keplar240B


    Global warming will destroy the Cork docklands , extreme floods and rising sea levels.

    I don't understand these investments .



  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭ mrpdap


    Eventually the City Council will see sense and build a tidal barrier at the mouth of Lough Mahon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,963 ✭✭✭ TheChizler


    Not without letting the OPW dig up half the city and block off the river first I fear.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭ Markcheese


    Apparently there are minimum base levels for docklands developments-so the city centre will be long gone before any new dockland developments...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭ Apogee


    PLANNING permission has been granted for a further tall, c €30million+, 243-bed student accommodation complex at Cork city’s Victoria Cross, on a former garage site which has been sold for €4.1 million.

    It features several blocks, including one of ten storeys, facing UCC’s own ongoing Crow’s Nest 255-bed facility, under advanced construction with Sisk and which itself has four blocks of seven to nine storeys, under the shadow of the 16-storey County Hall.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭ Apogee


    While on the one hand, high density is the way to go, not sure I'd be so keen if I lived in one of the houses nearby...




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭ Cork_exile


    I've no real sympathy for anyone who bought a house near UCC, in the past 25 years, especially with the growth of RTC/CIT/MTU.


    It's like people buying next to a stadium giving out about match day crowds.

    What the hell did they think was going to happen?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,956 ✭✭✭ blindsider


    Except that there are other things in those areas that would make them good areas to live....walking distance to town, and working in e.g CUH, The Bons, Business Park on Model Farm Rd, ESB and others. People working in these places need places to live, and don't want a long commute.

    I agree that high-rise is the way forward in many instances, but not to the exclusion of others.

    And of course, many people have lived in those areas for much longer than 25 yrs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭ Cork_exile


    It's a low rise area between 2 massive universities and the major hospital in the region.


    For ALL the reasons you quote it is a no brainer that it is going highrise

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭ Markcheese


    Hardly high rise though .. it's 4 or 5 storeys, higher than the neighbours sure ,

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  • Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭ Going Strong


    It's 2 metres according to regulations. That is why the entrance to the One Albert Quay underground car park is up a ramp. The older Webworks nextdoor has no ramp.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭ Apogee




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