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  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Scooby Reggie do


    Great to see the prism starting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭ Apogee


    Tomorrow's Examiner front page:




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭ snotboogie


    Would be fantastic, should do one in the city in the river and another in Tramore Valley Park.



  • Registered Users Posts: 865 ✭✭✭ iColdFusion


    They are starting the MacCurtain St works also but along with the above boils my blood they will piss away all this money on public realm improvements when what people actually want are more Gardai on street patrol and if they could get rid of the hobos, junkies, beggers and general sh!itheads loitering around the city would be a far bigger upgrade than some new footpaths!

    Even a couple lads with a power washer working their way around the city doing footpaths etc would be great!




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  • Registered Users Posts: 865 ✭✭✭ iColdFusion


    You are right it shouldn't be one or the other considering anglesea street is right there in the center but im sure the council can put pressure on Na Gardai and other services to permanently resolve the issues I mentioned because they are completely failing to do it at present, it all just strikes me as painting over the cracks with some new public realm and completely ignoring the day to day underlying issues the city has, giving hobos some new steps to sit on, new footpath to piss on and new planters to throw their cans in isn't a solution!



  • Registered Users Posts: 955 ✭✭✭ notAMember


    That's really a societal problem, and I see it the other way around. Cleaning up papers over the cracks. Long term view is structural and changing lifestyle.

    Why are those people there in the first place... A simple example, maybe they loved to swim when they were small, there is no accessible fun public swimming pool to visit with their friends, so instead they all fell into street boozing as that's all that was available.

    Power-hosing hobos off the street might help short term , but doesn't solve the underlying problem. Becoming a healthy city can help improve those problems in the longer term.



  • Registered Users Posts: 865 ✭✭✭ iColdFusion


    There is housing for them if they were suitable for it so all I can guess is that they have mental illnesses manifesting with drink, drugs, crime and homelessness, they shouldn't be wandering the streets of a main city and im saying that as an Irish man who can shrug most of this off, I wouldn't want to be a young foreign female student or similar having to put up with their harassment.

    At least the council have been upgrading the lighting around the city to make some areas less dangerous but the sad reality is the underlying issues wont get solved until someone is murdered like what just happened in Tullamore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭ Apogee


    ABP looking for changes on Tedcastles and CMP sites

    Irish Examiner Two unrelated apartment plans in Cork city have been hit by setbacks. Both schemes were the subject of consultation with An Bord Pleanála, which is a standard aspect of the strategic housing development (SHD) scheme. In both cases, the board has advised the developer that the project “requires further consideration/ amendment”.

    The decisions are non-binding.

    The first was issued to Watfore Ltd, which was consulting about the development of 706 apartments on the former CMP Dairy Site and Creamfields on Tramore Road and Kinsale, Co Cork. The second was issued to Tiznow Property Company Limited, which was consulting about the development of 1,030 apartments at the former Tedcastles site on Centre Park Road in Cork.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭ CorkRed93


    does anyone know if its possible to view SHD applications that have gone to ABP? Im trying to find details on this application https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case/312235



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭ who_me


    The wording of that sounds a bit overdramatic. These are two of the biggest developments in the city, it'd be far more surprising if they sailed through without comment.

    I'm fascinated by the CMP proposal in particular. For reference, the Elysian has 211 apartments, and that's a huge 8 and 17 floor building that spans an entire block. The CMP proposal is over three times the size; so that's about 235 apartments per hectare - assuming it's the entire existing site. I wonder how high they'll need to go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭ Markcheese


    I suppose there's no residential neighbours to directly piss off , , big warehouse and distribution centre on 2 sides , stadium across the road ,retail park across other side - higher buildings set a precedent for future site values for any commercial property there ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭ Apogee


    I think this may be the CMP/Watfore (Dairygold subsidiary) aka Creamfields development?

    Source: https://consult.corkcity.ie/ga/system/files/materials/5184/6042/Submission%20to%20inform%20the%20draft%20Plan%20Creamfields%2004102021.pdf



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21


    Sure is. Very impressive density for a large suburban infill site.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭ who_me


    Rough outline floating around of the Tedcastle site proposals too - 10 buildings of 10+ floors, and 3 towers 20 or taller (20, 25 and 33).

    Post edited by who_me on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭ CorkRed93


    any plans or artists impressions doing the rounds?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭ who_me



    Not that I know of. There was a mock-up a few months back alright, but it could have been very speculative. There's a more recent screengrab on this thread which just gives a very rough idea of the relative block heights and the scale of the development but says nothing about the building design or materials.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,956 ✭✭✭ blindsider


    Wow! 15 storey blocks - 8 -9 of them...?

    3 major issues for me:

    That road gets gridlocked by McDonald's Drive-thru (in spite of planning conditions etc), Smiths, Woodies and general traffic anyway...several times a day! Lots of HGV traffic from Musgraves and in/out of the units in the retail park - adding that no. of apartments will only generate more traffic, even if they provide minimal car parking.

    They seem to imply that they will be able to get parking access in Black Ash...doens't matter if it's under capacity (COVID?) it's a Park/Ride facility, not a private car park.

    They mention Tramore Valley Park as being in proximity - but fail to mention that it's vehicular acces only to TVP - esp, from that side. That's really misleading IMO!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭ snotboogie


    They’d have to add pedestrian access to TVP from that side if it was built. I’m pretty sure it’s in the plan for TVP and there may actually be a tunnel in place already?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭ Timing belt


    once the new bridge that will connect grange to the park is built they will have access via that



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,956 ✭✭✭ blindsider


    So residents in the new development will follow the (non-existent) yellow route to access the park, to the bridge in blue? Really?


    Excuse the crude drawing - I didn't do art in school...but you get the idea...!


    The bridge location may not be 100% accurate - it's a guide only.





  • Registered Users Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭ fonecrusher1




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,956 ✭✭✭ blindsider


    There is, Snotboogie - good memory! https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30868835.html

    "The full opening of a massive public park on the site of Cork’s former city dump is at least a year down the line, following confirmation it could cost at least €6m to provide “full and safe access” to the site."

    AND

    "However, health and safety concerns about access have presented large-scale events from taking place. Various options have been considered, including the construction of an overpass and the widening an existing underground tunnel which links the Black Ash park-and-ride facility to the park."

    I wonder how much it would cost (and how long it would take) to widen the tunnel?

    And that's getting a bit away from the idea of 700 apartments on a narrow, gridlocked road.


    What are the chances they'll just flip the site if they do get PP anywaqy?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭ who_me


    Not sure. I think originally it was planned to start in Feb. 2020 and construction (but not outfitting etc.) be complete by the end of 2021. So the total period of around 22 months, Oct/Nov next year?

    They do seem to be doing hell for leather at the moment, so perhaps with the late start they're accelerating the construction. There's work going on almost 24 hours a day at the moment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭ Apogee


    Echo reporting build-to-rent 114 apartment development in Blackpool given OK by ABP:




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,312 ✭✭✭ Cork_exile


    Wonder if Woodie's will be allowed to continually block that road, with their deliveries, afterwards?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭ snotboogie


    You’d imagine it wouldn’t be that difficult, I’d say the big concern would be policing anti social activity in a tunnel. It needs to be done with or without the apartments in my opinion.

    I would say the chance of a land flip are very high.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭ who_me


    The average home price in the South of the city is about 340K. If these apartments are about that price, the overall revenue from the site would be >240 million. So yeah, I'd guess if this were to be approved it'd massively inflate the site value.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭ Markcheese


    Are there any large apartment developments ( other than student ones ) underway in the city ? If it's not economic to build apartments then it's just gonna be flipped -

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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