Austria hits panic button.

Fun fact from Austria, the far right party demanded within 5 minutes

"Stop all asylum seekers at the border to save our police from the unvaccinated"

"No mandatory vaccines"

When were you forced to get in a car?

That's kidnapping, you should call the police next time that happens.

I was only joking btw.

There should be no stigma of anyone.

Great, so you agree nobody should be forced to get one.

That took a while but we can all agree it's wrong now and close the thread if everyone else who had your view has also come to their senses 👍️

We've established for some time now that vaccinated people spread the virus. Why curtail societal privileges for only the unvaccinated?

At least we're all in agreement that vaccine mandates are wrong despite them being introduced in Austria and in all likelihood Germany and Ireland will likely follow soon after

There will always be a minority of scroungers who won't do their bit and are happy to sit up on the backs of others' efforts.

All the while trying their best to piss down on them

Society has to call them out on it

I tried to make it simple, but essentially 100% vaccinated would let us drop COVID certs and reduce the COVID pressure on the health system by 50%.

Both options you outline are not achievable over Winter months, countries with more capable health systems are going back into restrictions and lockdown our high vax rate has mostly kept Ireland out of it so far.

The virus has an R rate of about 1.1 in Ireland, that is not wildfire, wildfire is the exponential growth that was seen last year without vaccines, now we see linear growth and the vast majority of vaccinated people aren't having severe symptoms when infected, reducing the burden on the health system. Unvaccinated are putting 12x more pressure per person on the system, hence more restrictions on them.

But this is re-treading old ground, the question was why still COVID certs, the answer is because the unvaccinated are taking up way more hospital space per head then vaccinated so we need measures to stop them getting infected.

You can argue that the current measures aren't enough but proportionately the unvaccinated will be more restricted until that 12:1 figure changes to 1:1 (or the health system pressure abates).

It would be better to have mandatory vaccines.

If making them mandatory is not possible then bundle them in with access to public health care. If you want to be on the eligible list for covid treatment then get your vaccine. Else go and do your own thing and if you catch it, deal with it yourself. No public hospital bed or public ICU bed or access to public doctors. You're either a part of the system or you aren't.

I'd say you'd have been doing some fighting for freedom alright.

More likely to be hiding in a basement typing on a message board crying about your right not to take part and sneering at the "sheeple" for making an effort. 🤣 Probably collaborating with the oppressors too.

Dole effectively isn't really taxed for most people my friend.

They'd be still availing of plenty of other services. Just not covid healthcare given that they have decided to opt out of it

Irish people don't have basements.

Could you be any more of a breakfast-roll and Sun clod, you're even synthesising your dislike of welfare recipients and people who decline to take a pharmaceutical product. Great connect-the-dots there.

Doctors and nurses have commitments to humane medicine, they aren't going to refuse medical treatment to people because some randomer hang em and flog em merchant says so.

We are redefining human beings themselves as a biological hazard based on a hypothetical risk. That is ethically fraught hence why we've been assured the certs are temporary and many people will never accept them.