Austria hits panic button.

I assume the Austrian government hasn't stopped construction work as part of this lockdown?

I find it funny that you're asking for "numbers not percentages", it's easy to convert one to the other.

But some basic maths would suggest between 48-60 of those in ICU are unvaccinated. The ages will be in the weekly HSE reports which you can go looking for.

I'd assume the data doesn't exist tbh. It should though, they should be trying to work out why people aren't getting vaccinated rather than assuming it's all down to people's choices.

Someone did the maths on it a few days ago on one of the threads, we'd have gone through them multiple times over by now. Also, if it was the case it would be getting called out and we wouldn't need to push for more vaccinations (posters on here might argue back and forth about anti-vaxx etc. but the health authorities are purely interested in the number of people in healthcare). I'd be more inclined that if you have data to this effect, post it and back it up otherwise it's just a sh*teposting talking point.

You don't think anything else is relevant because you, like many others have covid blinkers on. You're so focused on the virus you think it exists in a vacuum.

The reality is, as far as pandemics go, Covid is is hands down the one I'd pick if I had a gun to my head. The mortality rate is miniscule, it really only kills people who are old or unhealthy, children are basically immune, a large number of people who test positive don't even know they have it without a test.

Your risk tolerance is completely different to mine, to me the risk of Covid is non existent. There's a gene therapy available which is a big help to the vulnerable, and they should take it. But for people who arent obsessed about the virus, the risk assessment includes the bigger picture of all the risks of life and not just the risk of the virus, and in the big scheme of things the virus is way down near the bottom of that list.

You apply a logic to Covid that you don't apply to anything else because the constant media onslaught has made you hysterical.

Assuming you're relatively young an healthy, you're far more likley to die or be injured in a fall or accident. By your own logic, not wearing a helmet all day raises your personal risk much more than being unvaccinated, and there's no valid argument for not wearing a helmet, since it greatly reduces your personal risk from many of the most common causes of death.

"disproportionate numbers of unvaccinated covid patients"

I've never seen anyone get so much mileage out of one phrase. How about "A disproportionate number of ICU patients are vaccinated" - given that this is exactly what the vaccine is supposed to prevent?

Why aren't the statistics on the unvaccinated in giant neon lights in the news every evening? If the unvaccinated are causing all the problems then they should be sticking the statistics in our face loud and clear. But they don't.

We were discussing the risk of Covid vs the risk from the vaccines. Between those two, and those two only, the risk from Covid is higher.

@faceman 'Those people wouldn’t have died when they did had it not been for covid.'

Many would have. Deaths from respiratory illnesses are the commonest cause of death among the elderly in the world.

How can anyone believe that every covid death is premature? There's no reason to think that either statistically (age of death often 83 years old) or just from common sense.