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Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 64,775 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    On a small / skinny man maybe. For an average or bigger man, 36mm simply is far too small these days bordering on looking ridiculous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭hitemfrank


    Myself and Wibbs feel personally attacked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Fitz II



    Unkle would take you 😂 Its about the look at the end of the day. If you want that "mad men" look of small vintage then go small, if you want a more modern, aggressive look go bigger. Smaller watches always nag at me,especiallyy sports watches where there is bezel in the way as well. 36 all dial can be ok but again for that vintage look. 36mm datejust not too bad...the jubilee takes away some of the size.

    Whoever got Banies VC is a luck lady for sure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,475 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The Yank deserves a tip of the hat 😁 I got the customs invoice in the door this morning for the grand total of....

    €102.44! I can only assume the value was underdeclared but, given the watch will now be in hand tmrw? And! That tmrw is my birthday 😁 I'm going to accept the discounted VAT and the coincidental arrival of a new watch for my bday to be the universe giving me a bit of a pass...

    Off to the smoke in the morning for an early dinner in Chai-Yo, then Vicar St for the Dara O'Briain show and then some late dinks at the hotel.

    The plan was to take in the All-blacks game on Saturday but, alas I gave my tickets to my mate as I'm honestly completely unable to attend unless I take more drugs than a Wetherspoons regular. I mean just look at the strap they led me to putting on the U2W 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,475 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    My Astronaut is a 37mm watch but, it does wear larger. I think the combo of the narrow bracelet and bright bezel also tril the eye on that front. I do agree with 893 that the VC is small. It wears it too thanks to the integrated bracelet. His (formerly yours?)Gen 2 is a far better size, but I do think the Gen 1 is a prettier watch.

    As for the price craziness? P&P have 2 VC dual-times up now 1 white priced at £16950 and 1 blue at £29950😲 £13k difference for just the dial colour! Utter lunacy!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 64,775 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I did specifically exclude skinny men 😂


    Even so. You have a very skinny wrist. A Milgauss is all dial and very little bezel. So wears relatively big. And 40mm. Looks about perfect on you. I can't see you look good with a 36mm, unless maybe with a vintage watch like Fitz suggested. Even then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 704 ✭✭✭IrishPlayer


    It's been a busy few weeks, work and other stuff hasn't left much time for watches. Will be heading to Birmingham on the 28th of November to the watch fair which I'm really looking forward to. Also heard back from the British Horological Institute in Newark-On-Trent regarding courses, I am going to be attending two courses next year, the first will be in January, a day course giving an introduction to watchmaking. Here is a post by someone who attended to give an idea Link:https://bit.ly/3ogLy7R

    Then in February, I am going to a 5 day course, Service and repair of manual wind watches, including 4 night B&B at the institute.


    Trying to figure out what is the best route to take, fly to East Midlands and get a train from Nottingham or fly to London and get the train from there as I won't be driving and there is more choice regarding flights.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,475 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Birthday is ruined! Watch is still in Dublin 😩(joking)

    It'll be the IWC on the wrist for my trip away today then. So not too shabby 😉

    @IrishPlayer delighted to see you deciding to throw yourself deeper into the hobby. It will be very interesting to see how you get on and I think that your experiences there may very well be worth a thread of their own once you start.



  • Registered Users Posts: 704 ✭✭✭IrishPlayer


    Thanks @banie01 given the hassle I've been having recently with shipping, along with vat and import charges from the USA along with Japan, buying anymore watches at the moment doesn't seem like a good idea so this seems like a good next step in enjoying this hobby.

    I have never done any sort of course before, went straight to retail work, currently looking for a change and have always wanted to do one. Of course not expecting to get any sort of career out of it, but it will be a fun experience, after going to the fair back in July, getting chatting with others with the same interest was fantastic.

    Would be great if I could service my own pieces someday, will document it along the way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 492 ✭✭Aph2016


    Any Seiko SPB259 fans? Love the dial.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,475 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Still waiting to settle up and get the VC money in my account but, the search for the next horologically hefty piece is underway.

    I keep coming back to tool watches and the Glasshutte SeaQ panorama date is an interesting one that seems to be available well below retail. Will probably wait until the new year on that front tho.

    Not so hefty, but still in my radar. I'm also on the hunt for an Omega 2535.80 and there at least there is both some movement on a WTB I posted over on TZ and on prices with the sellers I've been talking to on Chrono.

    Must actually do a SOTC at some point now too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭Lorddrakul


    Anyone catch the Deirdre O'Kane show on Sky the other night?

    Neil Delamare did a good routine on buying a nice watch for his dad.

    He started by saying, 'well, Dad's 86, so it isn't really a present, more of loan!'

    :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,475 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    On the topic of P&P and their consignment service. They offer their buyers a 14day CoM return window (as per distance sales regs) so once the change of mind window passes, money is transferred.

    Overall, very happy with their service and in particular Gavin and Tim are both great to talk to (exceptional salesmen 😉). I don't know if any other easily accessible dealer could have achieved the price they did, as quickly and with as reasonable a deal tbh. I'd have no issue recommending them but would caveat that with this.

    Always remember what selling on consignment entails, yes you may achieve a higher price but, your watch is out of your hands and if the seller (any seller) goes bust? You are in for a long wait to see anything back, if at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Did the money land yet Banie?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,475 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Always with the very best question Fitz 😉 and in fairness the most pertinent and important.

    Nope, but and it is an important but. The 14 days aren't up for my sale until the 22nd, and if they do the right thing and count it as "working" days? It could be little later yet.

    If I'm back at the end of next week walking back my praise, I'll eat my premature praise. That said, I do hope that my comments are taken in the context of experience to date. Sure if they are late with the deposit to my account?

    Wouldn't be the 1zt time a hotel in Belfast was bombed 🤔🤷


    ^^ last sentence is a joke, just in case some sensitive soul reads that and assumes I'd treat the Merchant or the P&P boys lovely office like a double decker in a loyalist estate 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 64,775 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    You could always have the sheriff impound Nico's new V12 Ferrari if he doesn't come up with the goodies 😛



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,672 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    i can only see it all ending in tears if i am honest.

    Private jets, ferraris.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    would agree with you .I was only thinking that with the amount of staff, office & shop overheads plus the lifestyle items he seems to have recently that’s a lot of watches you need to be shifting each month.



  • Registered Users Posts: 64,775 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    He's making sh1tloads of money from new media. The shop is just part of the props at this stage...



  • Registered Users Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Time


    All the non shop stuff is run through another company "God Tier" something or other (i kid you not)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 64,775 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Quick google confirms that, Time.

    God Tier Global Ltd 😂 incorporated this year. It's a brilliant slogan, in fairness. Instantly linkable just to him.




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭893bet


    I seen him on Romans vid last week ringing to he was trying to buy a 100k watch on his behalf but his bank has a daily transaction limit for 100k or something like that (not sure if that’s total transactions but it just shows how small they are…).


    Roman instead vouched some way for him that he would cover if he didn’t pay.


    P n P are small enough scale. I really hope what I have seen lately is them just pretending to have the life style etc as it could all come crashing down, think I seen a private jet trip home to see his parents etc.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It's a hard balance to strike. The high flying jet set lifestyle and rabbiting on about bejazzled RM's and Rollies on the wrists of rappers that are "worth" eleventy million dollars is marketing to those who buy into the 10 and 15 grand watches thinking that makes them part of that lifestyle, but you need to flog a lot of 10 and 15 watches(and other revenue streams) to middle aged accountants and golfists to cover it. Though I gather he's also got some outside investment in the biz recently.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,672 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    is he? the only person i know that (leases) private jets has made around 150m in the last 2 calendar years (which i know for a fact rather than speculation).

    I could be way off but i cant see how that lad is making enough to justify that kind of expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    I would say his business is following the same plan as a lot of new high profile businesses- Make lots of noise , get noticed at any cost and then get the investors in just before it all goes bang .Time it right and it’s happy days



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,475 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Their social media presence is popular, but if nothing else it's nailed on for me that I'm getting old 🤣

    I had to unfollow Nico's FB, those reaction videos just aren't my cup of tea at all. Now that said, they really seem to both know their market and somehow? Achieve prices that many of use wouldn't think are realistic values. Be it from selling to cryptokids who want swag? Or to discerning buyers who know what they want and are willing to pay for it?

    I don't know which, probably both with an added niche as the only place on the island doing their schtick at any scale? Credit where it's due, they do seem to do it well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Seem like he has a good thing going at the moment. The lifespan of it is another thing. Like Cyrus says, spending on private jets is really only for the person thinks a millionaire is broke, but the flexing culture of watches has Nico playing that game. I would think his accountant is writing off things left right and center, so the inland revenue will probably have a say in his prosperity at some point.

    When you look at Romans business you can see where the revenue comes from and the expenses that go with it, Nico on the other hand is a bit more opaque, (small operation selling watches, few staff, youtube business that could be an earner but could be a liability, up all night taking superchats, flying private, driving leased Ferrari, trying the buy a house...there are some contradictions) and it could be really good or really bad. Who knows. I wish him well, nice guy, lots of energy, good shtick seems to look after his people.)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭mailforkev


    There’s a whole lot of smoke and mirrors across a lot of the watch YouTube universe. Small group of people doing a lot of buying and selling between themselves.

    The only lad I know who was ever flying private was financing casinos in the U.S., not making a few hundred quid here and there on the odd sale.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    I would imagine watch sales is ripe for money laundering? Like used car sales which is notorious for it. High value, easily transportable and reasonably liquid.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Time


    You'd be surprised at how affordable it can be, especially for the more short haul stuff, E.G a Global 6000 (seats about 16) from Dublin to Paris on Saturday is 9.5k at the moment. Divide that 10 ways and its pretty reasonable per head.



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