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Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Congrats Banie, you get good money?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Very happy, the deal I cut with them was a fixed price back my way and tbh I was kinda expecting it back.

    They sold it at their asking afaik and that was £15k stg 😮



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    15k GBP.........holy feckballs. Thats basic Lange 1815 money, hell even an offshore round there, or a gen 2 overseas and 5k euro in the pocket.....I am actually speachless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Honestly Fitz, and I said it both to 893 and posted it here when I was originally chatting with them. I thought they were spoofing with regard their estimate. Have to say, from email, to chatting with Gav and meeting Tim all a great process so far that went very smoothly and fair play to their salesmanship 😮

    Now to see the money in my account and plan some more purchases before I gush anymore over them 😉

    Their insta presence is to be fair, laddish and brash, but it works apparently 🤷



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Bloody hell. The market is crazy but those lads know how to sell! It seems whatever price tag they put on a watch (within some reason), the very presence of the watch in their shop / vault / website is enough to sell it!

    I've a nice piece incoming myself. Be a few days before I have it though. And yes, it's a Rolex 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭hitemfrank


    It's not turquoise is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,149 ✭✭✭893bet


    Nicely done! Like I said earlier I did ok and was happy with my sale to you not that long ago. You did better!


    I pity the poor bastard that bought it now though.


    Now it’s no longer on the forum in mine of Banie ownership it can be called out that at small wearing 37mm it was just a ladies size!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,149 ✭✭✭893bet


    The market is bananas. I was just looking at my collection on c24 (3 watches) and their value (based on average asking price on c24)…….…in the last 6 months their value has increased 20k.

    I assume it’s bullshit but…….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Now it’s no longer on the forum in mine of Banie ownership it can be called out that at small wearing 37mm it was just a ladies size!

    Well after much toing and froing 😉 I agree, it's not a watch for a chunky wrist. Whomever bought it? Has my gratitude 😁 and a little pity too. It is a stunning watch IMO. The integrated bracelet and the faceted surfaces are a masterful piece of design. It's a watch I spent a long time wearing and smiling at.

    But that kinda money just could not be passed up.

    Theirs a beer, or a small brewery 😉 owed 893's way and it is a shame to see it off the forum. The brightside? We can talk about the gammy size 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭micks_address


    a few people reckon the 36mm datejust even on a larger sized wrist is nicer than the 41.. the 41 wears kinda big for sure.. i probably should have tried on the 36mm before buying



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    On a small / skinny man maybe. For an average or bigger man, 36mm simply is far too small these days bordering on looking ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭hitemfrank


    Myself and Wibbs feel personally attacked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II



    Unkle would take you 😂 Its about the look at the end of the day. If you want that "mad men" look of small vintage then go small, if you want a more modern, aggressive look go bigger. Smaller watches always nag at me,especiallyy sports watches where there is bezel in the way as well. 36 all dial can be ok but again for that vintage look. 36mm datejust not too bad...the jubilee takes away some of the size.

    Whoever got Banies VC is a luck lady for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The Yank deserves a tip of the hat 😁 I got the customs invoice in the door this morning for the grand total of....

    €102.44! I can only assume the value was underdeclared but, given the watch will now be in hand tmrw? And! That tmrw is my birthday 😁 I'm going to accept the discounted VAT and the coincidental arrival of a new watch for my bday to be the universe giving me a bit of a pass...

    Off to the smoke in the morning for an early dinner in Chai-Yo, then Vicar St for the Dara O'Briain show and then some late dinks at the hotel.

    The plan was to take in the All-blacks game on Saturday but, alas I gave my tickets to my mate as I'm honestly completely unable to attend unless I take more drugs than a Wetherspoons regular. I mean just look at the strap they led me to putting on the U2W 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    My Astronaut is a 37mm watch but, it does wear larger. I think the combo of the narrow bracelet and bright bezel also tril the eye on that front. I do agree with 893 that the VC is small. It wears it too thanks to the integrated bracelet. His (formerly yours?)Gen 2 is a far better size, but I do think the Gen 1 is a prettier watch.

    As for the price craziness? P&P have 2 VC dual-times up now 1 white priced at £16950 and 1 blue at £29950😲 £13k difference for just the dial colour! Utter lunacy!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I did specifically exclude skinny men 😂


    Even so. You have a very skinny wrist. A Milgauss is all dial and very little bezel. So wears relatively big. And 40mm. Looks about perfect on you. I can't see you look good with a 36mm, unless maybe with a vintage watch like Fitz suggested. Even then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭IrishPlayer


    It's been a busy few weeks, work and other stuff hasn't left much time for watches. Will be heading to Birmingham on the 28th of November to the watch fair which I'm really looking forward to. Also heard back from the British Horological Institute in Newark-On-Trent regarding courses, I am going to be attending two courses next year, the first will be in January, a day course giving an introduction to watchmaking. Here is a post by someone who attended to give an idea Link:https://bit.ly/3ogLy7R

    Then in February, I am going to a 5 day course, Service and repair of manual wind watches, including 4 night B&B at the institute.


    Trying to figure out what is the best route to take, fly to East Midlands and get a train from Nottingham or fly to London and get the train from there as I won't be driving and there is more choice regarding flights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Birthday is ruined! Watch is still in Dublin 😩(joking)

    It'll be the IWC on the wrist for my trip away today then. So not too shabby 😉

    @IrishPlayer delighted to see you deciding to throw yourself deeper into the hobby. It will be very interesting to see how you get on and I think that your experiences there may very well be worth a thread of their own once you start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭IrishPlayer


    Thanks @banie01 given the hassle I've been having recently with shipping, along with vat and import charges from the USA along with Japan, buying anymore watches at the moment doesn't seem like a good idea so this seems like a good next step in enjoying this hobby.

    I have never done any sort of course before, went straight to retail work, currently looking for a change and have always wanted to do one. Of course not expecting to get any sort of career out of it, but it will be a fun experience, after going to the fair back in July, getting chatting with others with the same interest was fantastic.

    Would be great if I could service my own pieces someday, will document it along the way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭Aph2016


    Any Seiko SPB259 fans? Love the dial.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Still waiting to settle up and get the VC money in my account but, the search for the next horologically hefty piece is underway.

    I keep coming back to tool watches and the Glasshutte SeaQ panorama date is an interesting one that seems to be available well below retail. Will probably wait until the new year on that front tho.

    Not so hefty, but still in my radar. I'm also on the hunt for an Omega 2535.80 and there at least there is both some movement on a WTB I posted over on TZ and on prices with the sellers I've been talking to on Chrono.

    Must actually do a SOTC at some point now too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭Lorddrakul


    Anyone catch the Deirdre O'Kane show on Sky the other night?

    Neil Delamare did a good routine on buying a nice watch for his dad.

    He started by saying, 'well, Dad's 86, so it isn't really a present, more of loan!'

    :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    On the topic of P&P and their consignment service. They offer their buyers a 14day CoM return window (as per distance sales regs) so once the change of mind window passes, money is transferred.

    Overall, very happy with their service and in particular Gavin and Tim are both great to talk to (exceptional salesmen 😉). I don't know if any other easily accessible dealer could have achieved the price they did, as quickly and with as reasonable a deal tbh. I'd have no issue recommending them but would caveat that with this.

    Always remember what selling on consignment entails, yes you may achieve a higher price but, your watch is out of your hands and if the seller (any seller) goes bust? You are in for a long wait to see anything back, if at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Did the money land yet Banie?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Always with the very best question Fitz 😉 and in fairness the most pertinent and important.

    Nope, but and it is an important but. The 14 days aren't up for my sale until the 22nd, and if they do the right thing and count it as "working" days? It could be little later yet.

    If I'm back at the end of next week walking back my praise, I'll eat my premature praise. That said, I do hope that my comments are taken in the context of experience to date. Sure if they are late with the deposit to my account?

    Wouldn't be the 1zt time a hotel in Belfast was bombed 🤔🤷


    ^^ last sentence is a joke, just in case some sensitive soul reads that and assumes I'd treat the Merchant or the P&P boys lovely office like a double decker in a loyalist estate 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    You could always have the sheriff impound Nico's new V12 Ferrari if he doesn't come up with the goodies 😛



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    i can only see it all ending in tears if i am honest.

    Private jets, ferraris.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    would agree with you .I was only thinking that with the amount of staff, office & shop overheads plus the lifestyle items he seems to have recently that’s a lot of watches you need to be shifting each month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    He's making sh1tloads of money from new media. The shop is just part of the props at this stage...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Time


    All the non shop stuff is run through another company "God Tier" something or other (i kid you not)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Quick google confirms that, Time.

    God Tier Global Ltd 😂 incorporated this year. It's a brilliant slogan, in fairness. Instantly linkable just to him.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,149 ✭✭✭893bet


    I seen him on Romans vid last week ringing to he was trying to buy a 100k watch on his behalf but his bank has a daily transaction limit for 100k or something like that (not sure if that’s total transactions but it just shows how small they are…).


    Roman instead vouched some way for him that he would cover if he didn’t pay.


    P n P are small enough scale. I really hope what I have seen lately is them just pretending to have the life style etc as it could all come crashing down, think I seen a private jet trip home to see his parents etc.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It's a hard balance to strike. The high flying jet set lifestyle and rabbiting on about bejazzled RM's and Rollies on the wrists of rappers that are "worth" eleventy million dollars is marketing to those who buy into the 10 and 15 grand watches thinking that makes them part of that lifestyle, but you need to flog a lot of 10 and 15 watches(and other revenue streams) to middle aged accountants and golfists to cover it. Though I gather he's also got some outside investment in the biz recently.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    is he? the only person i know that (leases) private jets has made around 150m in the last 2 calendar years (which i know for a fact rather than speculation).

    I could be way off but i cant see how that lad is making enough to justify that kind of expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    I would say his business is following the same plan as a lot of new high profile businesses- Make lots of noise , get noticed at any cost and then get the investors in just before it all goes bang .Time it right and it’s happy days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Their social media presence is popular, but if nothing else it's nailed on for me that I'm getting old 🤣

    I had to unfollow Nico's FB, those reaction videos just aren't my cup of tea at all. Now that said, they really seem to both know their market and somehow? Achieve prices that many of use wouldn't think are realistic values. Be it from selling to cryptokids who want swag? Or to discerning buyers who know what they want and are willing to pay for it?

    I don't know which, probably both with an added niche as the only place on the island doing their schtick at any scale? Credit where it's due, they do seem to do it well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Seem like he has a good thing going at the moment. The lifespan of it is another thing. Like Cyrus says, spending on private jets is really only for the person thinks a millionaire is broke, but the flexing culture of watches has Nico playing that game. I would think his accountant is writing off things left right and center, so the inland revenue will probably have a say in his prosperity at some point.

    When you look at Romans business you can see where the revenue comes from and the expenses that go with it, Nico on the other hand is a bit more opaque, (small operation selling watches, few staff, youtube business that could be an earner but could be a liability, up all night taking superchats, flying private, driving leased Ferrari, trying the buy a house...there are some contradictions) and it could be really good or really bad. Who knows. I wish him well, nice guy, lots of energy, good shtick seems to look after his people.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭mailforkev


    There’s a whole lot of smoke and mirrors across a lot of the watch YouTube universe. Small group of people doing a lot of buying and selling between themselves.

    The only lad I know who was ever flying private was financing casinos in the U.S., not making a few hundred quid here and there on the odd sale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    I would imagine watch sales is ripe for money laundering? Like used car sales which is notorious for it. High value, easily transportable and reasonably liquid.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Time


    You'd be surprised at how affordable it can be, especially for the more short haul stuff, E.G a Global 6000 (seats about 16) from Dublin to Paris on Saturday is 9.5k at the moment. Divide that 10 ways and its pretty reasonable per head.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yep. Private planes are often the kinda prices you would have paid for a normal flight before low cost airlines like Ryanair came along.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I remember paying IRP699 for a one way (!) flight from AMS to DUB with Aer Lingus in the mid 90s. That was roughly the net monthly wage of a university graduate. So similar to about €2500 in today's money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    There was a reason we useta take the boat when we were emigrating 😉 it was cos the flights anywhere off of our rock were mad expensive!

    I remember at one point paying IR£400 for a flight to Leeds in the earlyish 90's. Cheap flights changed all that and the IR£29 coach suddenly didn't look like such great value.

    On a watch related front. Saw an incredibly cheap Sinn U2 on Chrono24 last night, no box or papers and strap was too short for me. Not a problem as I have a few silicon straps. Clicked buy, waited with bated breath to complete the checkout. Only to be told it was already sold. Dammit!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,987 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Been sitting all day and was getting a whiff of something every now and again.

    Thought it was the top I was wearing! Smelled like it was left to dry out for a few days after coming out of the wash.

    Randomly sniffing it directed me to the cuff of it. Thought it was strange no smell from the rest of it.

    Thought nothing more, but every now and again the odour hit me, so I'd sniff the cuff again!

    But it was actually the strap of my Traser P59 Type 3, which I recently wore once or twice when showering when I couldn't be arsed to take it off.

    Anyone know how to get the damp smell out of it now?!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Pablo_Flox


    The same thing happened me a few times with a fabric strap that I had on my Fitbit. I'm not sure what the recommended solution is, but what I did was put the strap into a cup of boiling water with a small bit of bleach and let it steep for a few hours. Worked for me.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The other trick I've used with natos and a couple of vintage fabric straps* I have is to stick them in a clean sock and into a regular clothes wash. That gets the funk out. With steel bracelets it's once a year into the ultrasonic cleaner with them and marvel in dusgust at the clag that comes out. 🤢😁 Actually the ultrasonics sucks the goo out of natos too, but the washing machine is better.




    *which were marketed back in the day as "hygienic", which in an era of leather and even steel before ultrasonic cleaners could at least be washed.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Question...wibbs looking at you. What is this watch? Is it real?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Hi folks,

    I've a question about ordering a Rolex at retail. If you order say a GMT etc and given that it might take 3 or 5 years etc..do Rolex retailers sell at the rrp or do they charge market value? Someone told me weirs quoted them 13k for a sub rrp which sounds wrong?


    Cheers,

    Mick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Might have been a two tone. AD must sell at Rolex recommended prices. They do carry a stock of pre owned watches and some Rolex, but new watches are at RRP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    Unfortunately it’s not ordering a watch , there’s not even a list anymore .I was told there used to be a list that was to be fulfilled but now it’s past history that counts so if you’ve no history you not getting one from the AD.While weirs might say 3-5 years it doesn’t mean it will take 3-5 years to fulfill your order .



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