Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Its a waste of time and money i cannot see them been allowed to continue to trade if numbers are not going in the right direction.

Middle of November they will be playing the National anthem for the last time until next Easter probably.

He's not wrong. People are already doing that. What's the point of jumping through all these hoops, fcking around with certs, having to plan everything in advance etc. when you can take a 50 minute flight and have a proper night out in a club that won't finish up at 2.30am? A lot of that demographic have friends who already live over there so would stay with them or in hostels etc . I'm speaking from direct experience here.

I think you make some good points but Spanish flu or TB no way but the comparison between covid and Asian flu or Hong Kong flu is proportionate.

There's no realistic comparison with Spanish flu except in people's imaginations. There had just been a world war, the Imperial countries like Germany Austria had been blockaded leading to malnourishment. There was aspirin posioning, and cykotine storms with large numbers of younger people dying.

The seasonal flu of 2018 is a much fairer comparison with covid even though it's on the lower end but of course people don't want to hear that.

Respiratory illnesses are the first or second most common cause of death among elderly people in the world (with cardiac problems also taking either first or second place). We have aging populations in Europe.

What do you mean by 'Covid Cult'? I'm unvaccinated. I've 'recovered' and have the unused cert to prove it.

Multiple times greater ?

What evidence do you have that supports this claim.?

In logic there is a basic premise and that is no matter how much someone can show correlation between results, if 1 single example contradicts the premise then the entire premise is false.

Lockdowns did not decrease our death toll, we know this because we had Sweden as the control group (the control group being the country that followed all pandemic measures as outlined in the WHO 2019 pandemic response) has an identical death rate when you factor in the following variables:

A) Adjust for population size (compare like with like, fair?)

B) Adjust for normal deaths per 1000 per year (see link for avege deaths per 1000) https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.CDRT.IN?locations=SE-IE

C) Proportion of population over 65+ Ireland 15% vs Sweden 20%

D) Compare covid deaths allowing for A + B variables.

What you get is the following.

Ireland = 5,369 deaths (very sad we can all agree)

Sweden = 14,993 deaths (again terrible)

Step A. Adjust for population

Ireland 5 million vs Sweden 10.3 million

Equivalent deaths. 10,738 IRL vs SWN 14,993

Sweden gas 50% higher deaths. Looks bad for Sweden..but we need to factor in step B.

Step B.

Deaths per 1000 people per year. Ireland 6.2 vs Sweden 8.6-9.2 (roughly) Sweden has on average 50% more deaths per year per 1000 people than we do in Ireland.

Step C.

Sweden has 25% larger proportion of people over 65 than Ireland does. 5% more of its total population. Putting a greater number of people at risk from covid (we know it predominantly effects the elderly)

Step D.

Adjusting for the above we end up with Ireland and Sweden having the same death toll compared to their relative death tolls per 1000 people year on year.

Regardless of Lockdown vs No Lockdown (minimal measures) Sweden and Irelands ratio of deaths per 1000 people during a pandemic remain the exact same as their previous years.

Granted the numbers per 1000 may increase because of covid, but they do not change relative to each other in both countries.

The same scenario plays out when Denmark is compared to Sweden using the above steps.

The reality is Lockdowns didn't save lives, but they will cost us years and years hospital wait times and needless deaths from suspended treatments and screenings

Not nearly as much as COVID has though

Thats because we locked down and cancelled everything and caused a huge back log. Read my post above. We have caused an even bigger crisis in our health service by trying to avoid one.

It's basically unintended consequences. Almost like the medical version of the term "blow back"

The ticketing thing just goes to show that sometimes you need to ask the industry first before just embarking on random stuff.

If the purpose is contact tracing, then registration at the door should be of little consequence. Grafton barbers has a QR code that you scan, you enter your details, bam, contact tracing done. Nightclubs could easily do the same at the door. No need for this nonsense of making sure everyone has a ticket an hour in advance.

Is the intention to stop queues from forming? Surely they can just...not let people queue? "Sorry lads, we're at capacity here, go somewhere else".

Oh...not me then. Thanks for clearing that up. I'm wondering who the other fella is that you know isn't vaccinated then...

Interesting to see the "I can't answer the debunking" response, refusal to answer the questions (on the CT forum) and gather thanks from all the resident conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers.

If you can debunk the debunkers, you need to go and do that (on the CT forum), you can't handwave it away and expect to be taken seriously. The only person doing the silencing is yourself by refusing to engage (which is likely because there is little to nothing to backup the beliefs).

No I'm only talking about deaths that can't be put off. You successfully treat someone, then you treat them again, then again, at some point they eventually do die - their immune system caves.

Among elderly, respiratory illnessed are among the most common cause of final death.

So a statistic showing e.g. 73 people died does not necessarily mean 73 preventable deaths.

I don't understand it either, surely they'll still get queues of ticketed people anyway.

I think the truth is they'd much rather not have late night hospitality or gigs reopened but are trying to come up as many absurd and unworkable solutions as possible. As someone said last week, the spontaneity of a night out is gone.