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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,010 ✭✭✭ Penfailed

    Any examples? I think it's bizarre to think that people are pretending that they don't want lockdown but are praying that there will be one.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ Gortanna

    Take the words and apply them to a new context. It's simple.

    Or tweak it a bit:

    "People who surrender their liberty to the government because of covid don't deserve that liberty and will lose it."

  • Registered Users Posts: 31,115 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so

    Well, it is called managing a disease, something no government had any experience with and it really doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure out what would happen once a new NPHET projection rolled in. A lot of posters predicted it accurately and one would assume some of the public saw it coming too. Behavioural science has its place, especially when you need to figure out what large population groups are likely to do when faced with a stressful health scenario like this.

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,521 ✭✭✭✭ Beechwoodspark

    One is inextricably linked to the other though unfortunately

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,586 ✭✭✭✭ bear1

    I was wondering if anyone would get my sarcasm :)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 31,115 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so

    In normal times there would be a case but the CEO of the HSE only arrived in April 2019 and less than a year later this started.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ Gortanna

    Do you think the following is acceptable from scientists: "

    A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened ... The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting Evaluation of options for increasing social distancing Page 2 emotional messaging." (25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf (

    That's what SAGE in England recommended the government do.

    But Dave Cullen's point is that it's entirely predictable what's going to happen. NPHET recommend harsh restrictions, the government makes them a bit less harsh, and then the public are grateful that they avoided the harsher restrictions.

  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭ Un1corn

    I find it hilarious still, that many people here who are annoyed with the restrictions don't comprehend that Covid is an act of nature. All the stats posted about it being 18th months and that is enough or there at 90% people vaccinated don't really matter. WHO are now saying pandemic will drag on until late 2022 minimum. The reality is pandemics/epidemics can go on for years. Decades even. Covid could become like the flu. Causing problems every year. Unfortunately it has some characteristics which differentiate it from the flu and it could be much more difficult to manage.

    Lockdowns and shutdowns could be part of our lives for many years to come. I am seriously concerned for the mental health of people who have had enough after 18-24 months. Rude awakening incoming. Covid does not care if you are fed up. There are still many many ways this could play out with some scientists not ruling out that covid-19 could become more deadly. It might also become less deadly. Nobody knows really.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,756 ✭✭✭ raind

    Covid will be a cold long term.

    The symptoms of covid are the same as other corona viruses except more serious as it is a novel virus to the immune system pre infection / vaccination. The childhood immune system deals effectively with novel viruses which is why when we reach adulthood the 20% of colds caused by H-Cov variants are rarely serious. They sometimes are though, and in the exact same way as covid.

  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭ Un1corn

    Sweden was defacto locked down last December and January and their chief epidemiologist admitted he got it wrong last year already. Case closed.

    The UK declared the pandemic over in July and they won't return restrictions. I predict they won't turn to restrictions until Covid forces them to. Look at how it is already escalating there.

    Look at whats currently happening in Russia. They refused to lockdown but their hand has been forced. Over 60s are being asked to stay at home for 4 months and they are shutting down next week.

    We've seen the hospitals in Belgium, Italy , Wuhan, Iran last year. 

    I trust the WHO more than most because they have people experienced and educated in disease modelling things for them. Whatever Tedros did is barely relevant. It's an ad hominem attack and doesn't invalidate the overall prognosis.

    We have high vaccination uptake in western Europe but it seems to not be protecting the hospitals as much as we had hoped. It is not over anywhere until it is over everywhere.

  • Registered Users Posts: 31,115 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so

    Well it doesn't take some self-appointed internet sage to point this out. So where exactly are you going with all of this? It is a fact that some people do not comply with rules in normal times anyway. We had the nonsense of people breathing and coughing on others last year until prison sentences brought it to a halt. Have we done things that badly at times? Sure. Taken accepted rights from people? Probably some of that too but there was also a level of purpose to it and it seemed to mostly work. In time we may take a well needed microscope to NPHET and government actions.

    What the likes of this Dave person are great at is pointing out what they "know" are the failings but are very, very short on alternative practical solutions.

  • Registered Users Posts: 479 ✭✭ Snooker Loopy

    What's actually happening is we're purchasing a little temporary "liberty" for longer term chaos. As we did last year.

    That's not liberty at all. It's gross stupidity.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,077 ✭✭✭ prunudo

    Said something similar to someone yesterday, they were saying oh we'll probably be heading for restrictions again but as I said, nobody outside of government or the media is giving covid a second thought these days, they're all getting on with life.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ Gortanna

    It absolutely was not locked down. I was in Sweden when it was supposedly locked down and it was wide open. I don't know where that myth comes from. I suspect it's from the media who dislike Sweden because they didn't lock down and like the rest of Europe.

    England, not the UK. And England will soon return to restrictions, in my opinion. Plan C is being floated so that people don't think Plan B is too bad. See Dave Cullen's video on how it works.

    Ad hominem? He's been accused of genocide. He was also accused of covering up three cholera outbreaks and of being a member of a terrorist organisation. And yet he shamelessly lectures the world and talks of flattening 'the climate curve' and how 'we won't be going back to normal'.

    If lockdowns work then why the need to keep going into them?

    And yet the elephant in the room is sensible countries like Norway, Sweden and Denmark all going back to normal.

    So if 100% of the Irish population is vaccinated, but there's a baby in Africa who hasn't been vaccinated then it's not over in Ireland?

    Why are you talking about last year when there was no vaccine at the time?

  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭ Un1corn

    We have had things relatively well. Many people in many different epochs have had their lives paused for epidemics, wars, famines for much much longer than people have had to deal with Covid. And people in 21st century just cannot handle it. This is the crux of the matter I am getting at. There is no normal. Only constant change. I predict covid will be a major headache for many years to come and shutting down and reopening will be necessary. Nature doesn't care about what any of our hopes and dreams or lifestyles. We adapt to it. It just seems people are really struggling.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 31,115 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so

    For those who are unaware of what BitChute, where Dave Cullen lives, is.

    QAnon and Infowars types abide there too. It's up there with 4chan and 8chan as bastions of reason.