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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    "France is one of the most locked down Countries in Europe right now, theyre no better than us"

    Laurent Garnier, Paris 3 days ago:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CVK1qtRj2ys/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Ireland has half the ICU capacity per capita of the EU average, despite us being one of the richest EU states. Ireland has ONE QUARTER of Germany's ICU capacity per capita. We've known since March 2020 that the biggest issue facing the country is hospital capacity. The whole reason for lockdowns was to prevent the hospitals becoming overcapacity - flatten the curve etc.

    So you might assume given the above we'd be throwing euros at the problem, right? Given how many billions lockdowns cost, and how damaging they are to society?

    Wrong. In the budget two weeks ago: "The minister said €10.5m has been provided for 19 additional critical care beds in 2022, bringing the total ICU beds next year to 340". Thats not a typo unfortunately. We're planning on adding 1.5 beds a month...

    This government is doing everything it can to blame the 5%~ of adults not vaccinated for the crisis right now fast approaching us. But even if we had 99% vaccinated we'd still be facing the same crisis, just two or three weeks later - enough fully vaccinated people are still landing in the hospitals.

    Its pretty clear the government initially banked on lockdowns beating covid. And then banked on vaccinations beating covid. So never properly invested in the hospitals when they had the chance. Which has resulted in us now facing another disastrous winter.

    It just boggles my mind why no journalists are holding them to account over this. Its one of the biggest failings of an Irish government ever, and nobody in the press has dared to mention it yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    I actually thought they were supposed to have been disbanded by now, or was that just another government lie?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    A government ad there on local limerick radio

    "If you enter a bar or restaurant that doesn't check for covid certs then take your business elsewhere"

    Happy enough with that choice of words rather than telling people to kick up a fuss or report them. It's all down to individual choice and responsibility now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Healio


    Every single one of these hospitality businesses who claimed taxpayer funded supports; should turn around and tell the government where to stick the covid cert.

    Instead all you seem to see is the heads of these businesses on tv/radio almost gleefully proclaiming to be 100% in favour of the measure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,582 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    He is French is he not, so who was he referring to as "us" ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    As are we. There's a further easing of restrictions being announced shortly.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I 'leave' the country every day. It's about the same in the north. Our nightclubs will be open before theirs.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭xl500


    And as soon as we Locked down Hospitality on Christmas Eve Numbers fell so yes I am for real



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    I'll only be spending my hard earned at places that don't ask for the cert one of which is my local. Places that discriminate are a disgrace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    And is it because their is no option of punishment ? I mean are they just suggestions rather than laws or something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭prunudo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Something I'm a little concerned about from a business owners perspective, is these "Failte Ireland Guidelines" to be published later.

    VFI"s Donal o keefe asked on morning Ireland, do these guidelines have a statutory footing (legisative), a little stumped he said they'd always adhered to Public Health guidelines, however that wasn't the question and certainly not the answer required.

    Failte Ireland Guidelines are just that, guidelines that have Zero legal standing. It would appear what does have more statutory clout, as it were is Public Health advice and my concern (albeit happy with what is being proposed) is governments abject incompetence and rush to react to the absurdities will now lead to night time economy opening full steam ahead, whilst Public Health advice is not necessarily going to tally with the apparent Failte Ireland Guidelines being announced later.

    Any move forward, I believed required legisative cover but obviously not enough time for this because of appalling incompetence of government, perhaps more concerned at there next Dail break next week.

    In simple terms, say I own a nightclub, decide to check with my insurers re public liability cover etc, I'm not entirely confident the business owner will get the answer they are looking for given the conflict between NPHETs advice and now Failte Ireland Guidelines that have no statutory clout.

    Just a humble opinion I might add, let's not forget the difficulties (still on going) with business interruption insurance payouts or lack of same)

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Actually hospitality closed at 3pm on Christmas Eve but the numbers didn’t begin to fall until closer to 12am on Christmas Eve, which was round about the same time as Santa arrived. Make of that what you will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    In light of recent doom and gloom news regarding NPHET’s ‘concern’ and rising case numbers there will be some in here absolutely elated, their lockdown utopia may be on the horizon and they would do anything to get it back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭floorpie


    I'm surprised too about this given we recently had a major scandal arising from confusion between Failte Ireland interpretations, and the Attorney General's interpretation (i.e. Merriongate).

    I think the ambiguity in this case is a feature, rather than a bug. It lets everybody pretend that they thought they were correct. But you're right, this should be clarified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Yep. Some people not happy society is moving on without them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It really does need clarification, I personally know two people still fighting insurance companies (one in hospitality)

    There's this perception Failte Ireland has statutory authority, it does not, its remit primarily encompasses, Tourism promotion, Training and overseeing standards for businesses registered with it, mainly hotels, B&B"s, indeed few if any pubs nightclubs or restaurants would have been Failte Ireland registered before the pandemic, the only reason they might be now, is only to do with the fact it was a requirement if any business wanted to apply for Government pandemic grant supports.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    Absolutely. A lot of people will be getting moist at the mere thought of another lockdown



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Michael Mc Namara (who I can't abide) on Morning Ireland expressing serious concerns about the legal standing , basis for new guidelines , apparently he raised this in the Dail yesterday, this coming from a TD who was very, very anti NPHET and lockdowns .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭floorpie


    Aine Lawlor fell out of her chair to say she's never heard anyone on RTE vilifying unvaccinated people, 15 seconds after asking "what should we do about unvaccinated people taking up space from cancer patients"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I used to think the same, but tbh, I think there are very few people who genuinely want lockdown.

    What we have, and its particularly prevalent on here, is cheerleaders for everything the government say. No matter the line is they tow it, they fall over themselves trying to back it until it changes and then claim that this was always the plan and now will defend the new line. They will jump on and ridicule any poster that is suspicious of government policy. Its all almost as predictable as the politicians false promises.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It was gold 🤣🤣 how dare any guest disparage RTE , did you notice how abruptly the interview ended, Michael got very Tetchy

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Well she did have cancer herself so not an unsurprising question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    You frequently make comments like that. Please identify even a few of these "some in here" for whom lockdown is utopia. Thanks in advance. If you can't, please stop posting this nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Yes fair point, I personally don't believe or am aware RTE staff have ever vilified the unvaccinated, but fair to say they've certainly entertained a lot of guests who have, Claire Byrne a perfect example.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Likewise, you might kindly identify some of these people. For my part, everyone I have ever met hates lockdowns and craves a return to normality (but when possible).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I know someone who has worked with Claire Byrne and describes her as an excellent professional but has avoided any of her broadcasts of any shape or size since this began. I always thought she had talent but find this relentless unhealthy obsession with COVID anything but professional. I might even call it deranged myself.



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