Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

US2 · 19-10-2021 05:03AM

Just listened to the principal in that school in Wexford on a newstalk interview. Antigen testing played a key role in identifying cases. 1 child had symptoms, bit drastic to close the school and do the contact tracing herself against the advice of the HSE/NPHET .

We have to start treating this like a common cold. If kids are sick keep them home. Parents are vaccinated they'll be ok

19-10-2021 05:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039560#Comment_118039560

When Covid pass was introduced (3 or 4 months ago) in Switzerland went to club in first time over a year. You queue up outside with mask on… guy checks your pass… then you take it off and walk in. You don’t have put or see a mask for rest of night. Makes unbelievable difference, like weight lifting. On psychology level - not seeing eyes and mouth, and always having to remember - think mask has heavier negative effect than people think.

Dempo1 · 19-10-2021 05:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039933#Comment_118039933

I didn't hear that interview, but I did hear the attached. It certainly did start with one suspected case, that was well over a week before 30 cases confirmed (now 34) and school closed by BOM. I don't believe this was about one suspected case and school closed, a full week of back and forth with HSE occurred.

Full RTE Interview with principal on yesterdays news at one.

I've no opinion either way wether it was right or wrong to close the school, but do have to say, if true, the sequence of events quite concerning.

"School moves to online learning after dozens of Covid cases detected | News At One - RTÉ Radio 1" https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22018963/

19-10-2021 06:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039260#Comment_118039260

Did you actually read the post in question?

Covid pass being a Trojan horse for introducing digital currency.

Yeah, can safely say that’s a baseless conspiracy theory.

Opinions are there to be challenge also. Too many people cry “suppressing my opinion” while someone challenges their baseless reasoning

19-10-2021 06:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039274#Comment_118039274

Covid pass serves almost zero practical use when 92% of those expected to use it have a vaccine. Definitely some “we have to be seen to do something” going on.

Penfailed · 19-10-2021 06:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039734#Comment_118039734

Can you stick up a quote from someone who labelled "anyone suggesting that restrictions would remain after next Friday a conspiracy nut" please? I'm sure it's possible someone posted it...but I don't recall it.

Penfailed · 19-10-2021 06:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039765#Comment_118039765

Empty shelves, fighting over fuel in empty filling stations, massive covid related death toll, etc.

19-10-2021 06:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039960#Comment_118039960

I did, and I agreed with every word of it.

But saying 'no conspiracy theories' or 'conspiracy theories' forum that way' isn't challenging the opinion.

Gael23 · 19-10-2021 07:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039933#Comment_118039933

There are 30 confirmed cases in the school

MilkyToast · 19-10-2021 07:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039991#Comment_118039991

But if 29 of them are asymptomatic, why close the school? There is little evidence of asymptomatic spread.

Spudman_20000 · 19-10-2021 08:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039961#Comment_118039961

I'm sure when cases continue to rise despite the pass, they'll just scrap it altogether instead of say adding even more places where it needs to be shown? And the bootlickers won't welcome this and queue up for their boosters like they were Gareth Brooks tickets.

Just over a year ago it was all oh so promising for the vaccine:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54873105.amp

floorpie · 19-10-2021 08:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118040006#Comment_118040006

There is little evidence of asymptomatic spread.

It's more like that there's strong evidence of less asymptomatic spread compared to symptomatic. Some studies show slightly less spread when asymptomatic (essentially the same), some show 5x less. It's probably both, and depends on time from infection.

MilkyToast · 19-10-2021 08:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118040111#Comment_118040111

Some, like the study of 10 million out of China, or the study of a German outbreak last year, show no transmission from asymptomatic cases.

But in any event, the children are presumably going home to households that are vaccinated or have chosen not to be. Closing an entire school based on one symptomatic case and presence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA of unknown status in other children (which may or may not have anything to do with the symptomatic child) seems like an overreaction. And probably serves as a good example of why contact tracing in schools has been ended.

bucketybuck · 19-10-2021 08:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039708#Comment_118039708

They are relaxing all restrictions on October 22nd, they are officially on record as announcing that.

Remember, this is the baseline, the default, this is what is supposed to happen on Friday. They don't need to do anything at this point except get out of the way.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/83946-public-health-measures-that-will-come-into-place-in-october/

Nyero · 19-10-2021 08:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039967#Comment_118039967

We had the bread thing, and the toilet paper thing here ourselves recently.

So empty shelves and a temporary fuel shortage are hardly unique to them.

19-10-2021 08:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039971#Comment_118039971

You may have agreed with every word of it, but presenting a bizarre theory on the covid pass being a gateway to enforced digital currency is always going to be dismissed as a conspiracy theory unless some factual basis for the opinion can be presented. Thats the difference between alternative opinion and conspiracy theory, one is based on a rational assessment of facts reaching a different conclusion, the other is "but aliens"

Red Silurian · 19-10-2021 08:47AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/1019/1254540-nphet-advice-government-restrictions/

The National Public Health Emergency Team has advised that existing restrictions on hospitality should stay in place for several months.

Public health has officially backed a winter of house parties from 11:30 to closing every night!

19-10-2021 08:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118040164#Comment_118040164

But the poster wasn't given a chance to provide evidence or say why he believed what he believed. It's a real shame because once something is relegated to the Conspiracy Theories' Forum that's the end of any discussion. Can't discuss anything there.

Anyway, I've said what I think. I think opinions should be discussed and debated. Give the poster a chance to explain what they mean. Don't dismiss it straight away as a 'conspiracy theory'.

Red Silurian · 19-10-2021 08:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118040135#Comment_118040135

This is interesting. It means if cabinet can't make a decision before Friday everything re-opens as planned... I wonder are any ministers looking at this as a possible route...

hotmail.com · 19-10-2021 08:52AM

Good chance more and more people will abandon the rules anyway after this week, those that already haven't.

stephenjmcd · 19-10-2021 08:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118040185#Comment_118040185

As I posted in the main thread the article contradicts itself

Red Silurian · 19-10-2021 08:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118040200#Comment_118040200

If every pub in Dublin stays open till 2am, do the cops shut down every pub in Dublin?

floorpie · 19-10-2021 08:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118040133#Comment_118040133

Some, like the study of 10 million out of China, or the study of a German outbreak last year, show no transmission from asymptomatic cases.

Yeah but these are anomalies in the scheme of studies on this. It's suspected that asymptomatic spread was seen as less in China because of high immunity in the population already. In essence they left it too late to assess. Here's an essay that discusses the contrary findings:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00059-4/fulltext

Red Silurian · 19-10-2021 08:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118040203#Comment_118040203

An RTE article contradicting itself? Never... Sounds as bizarre as a government giving mixed messages... Oh... Wait...

Gael23 · 19-10-2021 09:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118040185#Comment_118040185

We will top 10k cases a day over Christmas if they get their way on this one

19-10-2021 09:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039758#Comment_118039758

Whilst you may be correct on their government in COVID terms they have almost nationwide backing of how they are proceeding at this stage (in England at least). I’ve said it here before that people have accepted it, it’s not going anywhere, we are all going to catch it at some point and very few people would consider it to be a mess who live there, they’re to busy enjoying relative normality.

Allinall · 19-10-2021 09:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118040205#Comment_118040205

If they shut down one high profile pub, the rest will fall into line.

ShadowTech · 19-10-2021 09:18AM

It’s good to see that other than an indefinite mask mandate, continued social distancing, restrictions in the numbers in hospitality, and an expansion of the vaccine passport (which we all know is currently useless but gives the government the option to require boosters in the future) we’re completely back to normal on Friday! I was afraid that the “new normal” (read: abnormal) would involve a complete perversion of our society to protect a chronically unhealthy health service and the political careers of the politicians. /s

Seriously though, there’s nowhere to go from here. If we don’t go back to normal now, real normal, we never will. There’s no next step to take, nothing we can do to improve the situation further. We can all demonise anti-vaxxers until we’re blue in the face and feel justified but it’s not going to eradicate covid which increasingly seems to be the only acceptable option to NPHET. We literally had a choice between living under restrictions forever or getting on with it knowing that we cannot fully control the situation and the choice was made to keep the restrictions. This is probably the saddest day of this entire pandemic; the Ireland we knew is not coming back.