Why do teachers get automatic pay rises based of years of service?

Parent and student feedback your having a laugh. You don't like a teacher or poor johnny gets a bad mark well that a low mark

You do sound bitter to be fair, and your ranting does your argument no favours. Take your first point for example, you are not as "qualified" as a teacher (a subjective term I don't agree with) but you earn more than a teacher who has worked the same amount of years.

Even if that teacher works really hard they can't earn as much as you.

They are not impossible to fire - that is just hyperbole on your part. Ditto for the lazy comment. Every profession has useless staff, and yes they should be weeded out.

Holidays...they are what they are and are pretty much the same over the world give or take a few weeks. Unless you begrudge children the time to be children that won't change.

If you think all teachers only work the hours they are in the classroom...again that is your ignorance and prejudice on the topic coming to the fore.

The pension argument can be made for other public sector jobs, and some private sector jobs have excellent pension perks and other benefits as well.

What about checking grades achieved by a teacher’s students against statistical averages? If they are consistently lower over a set period, questions should be asked as to why. It is understandable that some class years have better students, some worse, but if the results are consistently lower, the only constant is the teacher.

How does a special needs child provide feedback? Or an EAL child or their non english speaking parent?

Objectives are usually different for each child, who sets objectives and decides when they've reached them. Children learn at different rates.

Your posts are incorrect and ill-formed on a number of points.

Teachers are not impossible to fire. There is a very clear protocol in place for this set up by the Teaching Council of Ireland.

Lazy - there are almost 66,000 teachers in Ireland, primary and secondary. Are you making this claim about them all?

The length of the school holidays is determined by the Dept of Education, not teachers.

If you are going to refer to teachers as ‘glorified babysitters’, it shows that your mindset is unlikely to be changed by facts. However, very very few teachers work 9-3pm. I don’t know any teacher who works those hours and I have worked at both primary and secondary level.

There are four separate pension deductions on my payslip adding up to approx 20% of my gross monthly pay.

Buying back a year of pension contribution costs in excess of €10,000.

The TUI - Teachers’ Union of Ireland - are one of the secondary teachers’ unions. The ASTI is the other one for secondary. Why there are two is a mystery to most people.

The INTO is the primary teachers’ union.

The Teaching Council of Ireland is a government body.

Role of the Teaching Council

The Teaching Council is the professional standards body for the teaching profession, which promotes and regulates professional standards in teaching. It acts in the interests of the public good while upholding and enhancing standards in the teaching profession.

I have two questions then.

How many teachers have the TUI recommended be removed from the classroom due to poor performance?

If a teacher was fired by a school/Dept of Education due to poor performance, would the member benefit from the support of their union, say the TUI, in any appeal?

Which is what I thought, so I’m struggling to see why you posted about the TUI’s clear protocol for firing teachers, does this include a protocol for firing the useless variety, or is it just when they misbehave and bring the profession into disrepute? This thread is not about misbehaving teachers, it is about pay rises based on service rather than performance.

Do the Teaching Council of Ireland have a protocol for removing poorly performing teachers? I appreciate this is going off on a tangent from the thread, but a parallel was drawn between performance/reward in the private sector and that of teachers, teachers seem to live a gilded existence independent of performance reviews and consequence for poor performance, instead being rewarded just because of term of service.

That can hardly be considered a protocol for firing teachers, it is more a mission statement.

A mission statement is not to be confused with a “very clear protocol” set up for firing teachers, it merely outlines the aims and values of the organisation. A protocol would outline the steps which must be followed to fire a teacher, considering we are talking about performance related removal, is that outlined on their website?