Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

It's not even about vaccines any more, it's just your bog standard stubbornness in refusing to admit he/she was wrong. Spectacularly so.

We got here because it was decided beforehand that we get here.

The problem with these analogies is that even if brushing teeth and putting on Preparation H were equivalent to having an injection, neither the brushing of teeth nor the application of Preparation H to one's arse are mandatory for admission to a pub.

As this madness intensifies, the justifications and analogies from believers are becoming increasingly deranged.

I'm guessing you didn't bother to look at the data in the Government posted stats of the cases then, which include ages.

I imagine all of us want to minimise risks from all things, including from Covid, and from any potential side effects of vaccines. To make a judgement we've got to read up on available information.

When you say "That's because you're only listening to Doctors and Scientists promoted by mainstream media" you set off alarm bells as regards your objectivity when reviewing available information.

The 'mainstream media' you refer to include the vast majority of the media outlets world wide. Are you suggesting that they have been unsuccessful, or are incapable of assessing the facts and covering the relevant information, and that somehow alternative sources (such as youtube, facebook, etc) are more reliable?

Do you think the vast majority of doctors and scientists world wide don't understand the risks, despite more of them looking at this than ever before, but somehow your cherry picked references have it correct?

• You say: "Dr Roger Hoskinson, renowed pathologist", AP says: he's spreading misinformation, quote "Covid19 is a hoax, no worse than the flu" - https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9765563716
• You quote "Dr Robert Malone, pioneer of mRNA technology" and link to a yahoo news article, which is simply a copy of an article from the "Washington Examiner" - a 'conservative leaning' publication. That article covers a Tucker Carlson interview with Malone on Fox News, with Malone saying YouTube deleted a video of his (presumably for putting up disinformation).
• You quote Luc Montagnier - However his reputation is a bit tainted - https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/luc-montagniers-views-on-covid-vaccines-are-latest-of-his-wrong-vexing-ideas/

Why can't you provide links from more reputable sources for your claims?

I too want to minimise the risks I and my family face from Covid, or from vaccines, etc., but I'm not interested in opinions put out by fringe elements. There are many more reputable scientists and doctors assessing and assembling information to the best of their ability, and without agendas, and I would put a lot more credibility in those sources than the ones that you provided so far.

That roadmap was last updated in Q3 2019, long before anyone heard of Covid19.

The 'Actions' proposed were the following

Examine the feasibility of developing a common vaccination
card/passport for EU citizens (that takes into account potentially
different national vaccination schedules and), that is compatible
with electronic immunisation information systems and recognised
for use across borders, without duplicating work at national level.

How is any of this relevant to the question you responded to?

Or are you a believer in the conspiracy theory that all this as planned beforehand?

The reduction in transmission rates has been shown in both symptomatic and asymptomatic cases, I'm not sure why you're holding your breath as you're being responded to fairly quickly. This is important because for children and a lot of young adults, contracting SARS-COV2 remains asymptomatic, the vaccines also reduce transmission in those cases and the viral load of those who are tested and are asymptomatic is cleared much faster than those who haven't been vaccinated.

If your argument is that children are mostly asymptomatic so don't need a vaccine to prevent spread, the data does not support that.

While you have ignored the data posted above for Gibraltar, to repeat it, in a highly vaccinated group like Gibraltar, the fact that 33% of those cases are unvaccinated and 66% vaccinated is great news and matches the published effectiveness for the vaccines, others have already gone through the math's on this, but we can repeat it if you like.

At 13 months, children have received 32 vaccines as part of the early childhood vaccination schedule, most of the diseases are very low risk for a baby.

Wow, so people who have seen first hand the non-existent threat to children's health for the past year are 'ignorant' and 'in the minority'. I assume I don't need to state I'm not anti - vaccine in general and am vaccinated myself against Covid and have taken many other travel vaccines but you never know when the tried and tested 'in the minority' / 'fringe idea' is being dug out and shovelled around. Can you point to statistics showing the volume and number of children in hospital currently with Covid?

The blasé suggestion that Dr Karina Butler 'doesn't want to panic people' is laughable - all they do is try and panic people. Have you forgotten the 'hurricane Delta Force attack' about to hit Ireland just a few weeks ago?

1. Where are the studies that show young children who are vaccinated against Covid do not transmit it?
2. Where are the studies validating the safety of all these Covid vaccines for children from aged 5 - 12 and show that the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks for this age group?
3. How can Western society sit here paying Pfizer and other drug companies through the nose for these 'boosters' and theoretical children's doses when so many of the world including healthcare workers haven't even been offered a single first dose? How can anyone morally reconcile this?

I'm trying to make out what point you are making when you say ...

When I look up the Gibraltar Covid info (https://mobile.twitter.com/gibraltargov), I find the following ...

• 15 new Covid positive cases yesterday, 6 vaccinated individuals, 9 unvaccinated individuals
• Gibraltar is reported as having a very high level of vaccination, including most of the Spaniards who work in the territory
• Gibraltar has a population of 32,000. Let's imagine 90% are vaccinated (28,800), and 10 % unvaccinated (3,200)
• If 6 vaccinated people get Covid, out of 28,800, that's 1 in 4,800
• and if 9 unvaccinated get Covid, out of 3,200, that's 1 in 355
• So the unvaccinated are 13 times more likely to get Covid (these are all rough numbers, but you get the idea?)

can you explain your reasoning, and the conclusions you draw?

What's serious illness got to do with this? I have to say in every second post that vaccines work, I like vaccines, vaccines prevent illness and death, etc just to stop you going down this route.

But you still do, because you've nothing else to say.

Anyway, clear as day that transmission is rampant from vaccinated to vaccinated in Gibraltar and most likely every area with high vaccination rates.

Thankfully hospitalisations and deaths still down, because the vaccines work like they were developed to do.

Unfortunately though for you cowards out there there's still massive spikes in transmission, so the narrative of pressurising (or even backhandedly forcing) children to vaccinate, solely to alleviate your 'what if' fears of a new super variant, would appear to be largely in vain.

So let's perhaps drop that one from the playbook shall we?

To be fair she does come across as rational and professional, I didn't intend to have a dig at her personally.

However to suggest that NPHET, FF/FG and RTE wouldn't be completely capitalising on a narrative of children being the new vulnerable is incredibly hard to believe.

The Irish media in particular absolutely gorge on doom and gloom, it would be shouted from the rooftops were it the case (and probably rightly so). To suggest they would hold back to spare people worry, a literal total U-turn in Covid reporting policy to date.. yea, no I don't think so.