Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

Are you joking? We are literally discussing yesterday's tweet from DC where the powers that be in UK intended to do this.

The more i hear from Cummings, the more I'm reminded of the old Matthew Broderick film where a bunch of kids somehow hack the military code and almost end up starting a nuclear war. How the hell did he ever get into the positions of power he did? There's no vision, no clear guide as to how to make the world a better place. It's just starting fires and implementing chaos and then going into "error correction" mode. There's no way he thought it could ever happen.

https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1419413026646732801?s=20

Threatening sanctions is equally stupid, unlawful and dangerous because, of course, if the UK does violate the Treaty the EU must use the procedures laid down in the Treaty itself for addressing the dispute.

You seem very keen for the EU to escalate this dispute, raise the temperature, engage in Brexiter-type bluster and threats, etc. Oddly enough, the Vote Leave government is also keen for this, and has been trying for months to provoke it

I'm wondering why you're aligning yourself with Vote Leave in this way?

Dominic Cummings is talking about it right now, saying that Vote Leave's strategy for avoiding a hard border would rely on forcing trade and regulatory barriers between Ireland and the EU-26. And he's not the first voice in the UK to have suggested this.

EU voices have generally oppose it. Macron (who Cumming says would have forced Ireland to do this) is actually on record as saying that the UK cannot be allowed to force the erection of trade barriers within the Single Market. People who claim that the EU talk about this are listing to the likes of Cummings pontitificating about what Macron would do rather than paying any attention to what Macron himself says.

And much more importantly IMO, given the threats, the Republic is a bulwark of liberal democracy and civil liberties. The EU needs more Irelands and fewer Hungarys.

It looks like Johnson et al are determined to continue the fight with the Eu

UK rejects EU’s Northern Ireland moves, saying Brexit deal must be renegotiated | Brexit | The Guardian

Assuming the NI protocol will not be fully implemented by UK, what will be the next step for the Commission? Can it begin imposing fines or does it moves to impose tariffs or levies?

Having lived through a previous hard border on this Island, i imagine it will be disruptive but not a disaster for the average person. Not too sure about the large agribusiness concerns where milk etc. crosses the border many times as it is being processed.

Those Cummings tweets are interesting alright.

They appear to finally confirm that supposedly outre/fringe ideas were actually a core strategy of important people close edit: to Boris Johnson.

I think I've had people reply to me before on this thread that the UK would not act in such a malicious way towards its neighbours incl. Ireland; these suggestions are only coming from swivel eyed loons in the Tories and the yellow tabloid press etc.

Has strategy changed with Cummings being banished? I doubt it. UKs recent actions suggest not. The powers that be here would want to take note of it all, realise what it means for UK/Ireland relations while this fairly extreme UK govt. last and wake up + pay attention IMO. Era of hands across the water and the Queen visiting is well and truly over, we're back in "Economic War" period levels of distrust.

It's very depressing. I really hope you are wrong about that. Unfortunately it looks like the current UK government is going to be around for quite a while and destroying things is much easier than fixing them up afterwards.

Frost and Johnston reject Frost and Johnston agreement and want to renogoiate Frost and johnston agreement

Haha, that is exactly it. It's quite bizarre. It's almost like a pantomime at this stage...

There was all this build up to the release of the UK 'Command Paper' (sounded very powerful), with the photos of Johnson at his desk signing something while the slightly dishevelled Lord Frost loitered behind, and then... nothing. The EU just said 'sorry, but no'.

I think that is the bit where we are supposed to laugh in the pantomime.

Bit of an anti-climax for Johnson, but then his fans don't understand Northern Ireland. Or the protocol. Or the EU. But then nor did his government. After 5 years of Brexit.

You do have to wonder why Johnson and Frost are continuing to poke the protocol and the border issue (and by extension the wider EU agreement, and any potential US trade deals), but it may be as simple as they didn't know what the hell they were doing, and still don't. Self made crisis to crisis, while also keeping someone, anyone else to blame. They do look very stupid while they do this though.

Interesting to note Arlene Foster is joining GB News. In turn, she will presumably do her best to blame Ireland and the EU for all NI's perceived woes, while ignoring the fact NI voted against Brexit, the majority in NI would likely rather get on with implementation, and that the protocol could actually be good for NI... Perhaps too good.

Like Johnson, Foster demands the 'UK get everything cherry unicorn scenario', while taking absolutely no responsibility for the outcome of Brexit. Her rage should really turn inwards given her awful leadership propped up the Tory government, and her party proceeded to then vote down the only Brexit which could have avoided the sea border. It is unequivocally all her fault. I wonder will she broadcast from home, or if she is already beginning the process of her threat to quit NI. She will be joining mean spirited Andrew Neil, Brexit hero Nigel Farage and intellectual Michelle Dewberry to enthrall tens of viewers.

On Dominic Cummings foray into Twitter... Don't get me started. The man's ego knows no bounds, nor does his shame. For a man who styles himself as some revolutionary intellectual, he doesn't half talk a load of shıte.

Dominic Cummings... Director of Vote Leave. Man who says on his Twitter bio 'why did I do the referendum'. The chief advisor to Boris Johnson, the mastermind, says 'I dont know if Brexit is a good or bad, I just fix problems'.🤦🏼‍♂️

Let's also not forget Johnson's consultation process for NI protocol rollout.

This is all the EU's fault. How dare they, and they better now fix it.