The purpose of the protocol is to maintain the status quo,not promote more imports from Ireland.
No, the purpose of the NIP is to protect the GF agreement by not requiring a border on the island of Ireland. It is a consequence of the UK not adhering to EU standards that a border has to be put somewhere and so it must be put in the Irish Sea.
The UK could agree to adhere to the SPS requirements and that alone would reduce the requirements to have inspections by 80%, but they refuse to do so.
The UK are simply painting themselves into a corner and are now demanding the EU help them out because it was the EU that made them do it.
It was to promote more imports from Ireland - remember "best of both worlds" "maintain the all-Ireland economy"? Borders mean reduced trade - removing borders to increase trade was the whole point of the single market in the first place. Reinstalling that border with GB obviously results in diverted trade.
Have you read any of the Protocol? Who told you that its purpose was to "maintain the status quo"?
The NIP is to maintain the status quo in terms of peace and to have a non-physical border on the island whilst still allowing for checks between the EU and the GB. it was a brilliant solution to a problem created by the UK leaving and having their various red lines.
An outcome of the NIP is that it means it is easier for NI to source from the RoI and the rest of the EU when they previously might have sourced from the UK.
Again, this supply chain change was a choice made purely by the UK government.
Has the UK changed any food or other standards ?
They could align to the EU rules, or 80% of them :), with their existing standards.
But it's 'fight the power' for the sake of being seen to be doing something. Forgetting that 18 months ago the UK was part of the committee making the rules and 6 months ago the the UK was enforcing those rules on third parties.
The Tories and Frost are terrified of the protocol working because NI can be compared to the rest of the UK and when the NI economy begins to prosper compared to GB, Brexit can be the only reason.
Brexiteers on this thread keep avoiding the obvious questions
Where is the democratic mandate to undo a deal that was a result of a very recent election in UK? UK voted for Brexit via a referendum and then voted for this version of brexit in the last election not to long ago.
Perhaps they want to hold another referendum (lol) or an election and reopen the subject which was “done”? But wait Brexiteers told us for years it’s undemocratic to keep asking population for their democratic opinion
Rob is trying to frame this as if the question is down to Irish people to chose between peace in NI or Eu membership, but who is he to impose his wishes on a people of a different country, Sovereignty ain’t it? And why is he ignoring the double mandated Will of the people of his own country?
The NIP was specifically made to preserve the GFA and keep the common all island economy "All island and in the SM".
The EU and Ireland couldn't care less about extra costs at an English supermarket chain.
The rather small UK can follow - ALL - the rules of the EU market or get lost. Wein the 🇪🇺 EU is not missing much.
PS! Don't for a minute believe the EU will hit on the island of Ireland. The EU will use peaceful means much longer than your patience.
But when it acts, the EU can stop half the English export - and fairly fast eliminate the GBP.
Has the UK changed any food or other standards?
Yes I believe so; approval of previously-banned pesticides for some crops for one. Small but potentially significant as it may have a knock-on effect along the food-chain.
The inability to supply certain medicines to their NHS Hospitals and GPs in the NI (I think they followed the Art 16 procedure for this already, i.e. notified the EU of the issue and after discussion came to an agreement before the month was up, hence it never came into play?)
It’s not even about standards, they could have all sorts of standards in legal law books but if these standards are not enforced and checked they may as well not exist.
Brexiteers are anti any regulations, yet they made a big noise about tacking back control but now not actually policing the border (aka not regulating the border) who knows what else they are not checking, one complaint MEP on news talk made yesterday is that EU has no access to UK it systems to see what goods are moving into NI hence having to check on ground
Seth,I don't think anyone envisaged UK products effectively frozen out of the NI market because of excessive red tape.If that was the intention of the EU then the UK's request to renegotiate the protocol is reasonable imo.If the EU refuses I don't know what the UK government will do,perhaps they are all hot air but if they ultimately believe that the protocol isn't working as it should then they may believe Art 16 is the only option.
The UN, the US and pretty much any and every dispute arbitration entity, would take a very dim view of the former colonial power: Britain trying to use the GFA, NIP as leverage over Ireland.
The UK not envisaging something is not a reason to trigger Art 16. That is simply the "I didn't read it properly" excuse.
However, all of this WAS completely predictable. The UK helped define the rules that applied to non-EU countries wanting to trade with the EU. The UK helped define the NIP and TCA (which they proudly said was a brilliant deal for the UK).
The EU is simply standing by what the UK signed up to. The UK hasn't done that fully yet. And yet the UK complains that it isn't working.
Genuine question, do you really think the UK would be happy with the EU not fulfilling its side of the agreement?
You don't think anyone envisaged products frozen out due to red tape? Have you been living under a rock for 5 years?
The difficulties that were going to occur were pointed out many, many times. It was pointed out so often that those who refused to accept that it was going to happen came up with the "Project Fear" thing.
What medicines are not available in NI now that were prior to the transition period ending and the UK fully leaving the EU?
The UK were members of the EU and would know full well the regulatory regimes the SM operates. So i don't buy this nonsense that they didn't realize. And if by some bizarre reason they actually didn't know, WHAT were they doing the last several years as Brexit was looming?
I have low to zero empathy for the odd business here that makes noise they didn't realize such and such product would be effected by Brexit. It just means they didn't due their due diligence ahead of Brexit.
I have less than zero empathy for an entire country like the UK to try and fly the same lame reason.
UK products are not "effectively frozen out of the NI market" - or at least not because of "excessive red tape". But the complication of supplying certain products to NI - such as chilled meats - was envisages, and clear, easy-to-understand rules put in place. The UK government helped draft those rules, is currently pretending they never knew anything about them, and leaving individual import-exporters to figure out which ones they want and/or need to comply with.
And, by the way, those very same "chilled meat" rules apply to imports into GB. I cannot bring them into GB from France in my campervan fridge because of the exact same regulations, copied by the UK government from the EU rule book and pasted into UK legislation.
Except, of course, I can bring any old crap into GB, because the rules on chilled meat imports are not being enforced. So if I can just get my slightly dodgy horse-meat across the channel, Johnson and Frost think I should be able to label it as Best of British and send it, unchecked, to NI on the back of a promise that I've done everything by the book and cross-my-heart-and-hope-noone-dies never in a million years thought someone in Dundalk would buy it from that shop in Newry.
If the EU said they are unhappy with certain aspects of the agreement and wanted to renegotiate parts of it I hope that the UK would listen to them.I agree that they may not be happy with that situation and understand that is probably the way that the EU feels now..I understand that if the issues couldn't be worked out the EU can use the mechanisms in place
Learning how to use copy/paste it seems. Unfortunately they haven't heard of Find/Replace yet:
UK forced to reopen sensitive Ukraine trade pact after errors in text | The Independent
The EU didn't and wouldn't sign any deal until they were satisfied with what they were signing up to was acceptable to them.
Literally - no deal is better than a bad deal.
It's why trade negotiations with South America, the USA, Canada, Australia, to name but a few, are taking decades to produce an actual agreement.
Whereas we look at how the super speedy UK trade deals are going: the Japanese deal is heavily favoured towards the Japanese, they've had to look to reopen the Ukraine one because of massive errors, and after over five years are effectively looking to go back to where they started from with the EU because the UK didn't bother to actually read it or understand it, they just wanted it signed. The rest of the deals are copy/paste rollovers not worth even speaking of such is the insignificance they have to the UK economy.
The UK government knew full well what they were signing up to. Full well. I've had enough of their deceit and lies.
Aren’t medicines specifically excluded from this thing?
Why would the EU or indeed any country (or league of countries) enter an international trade agreement if they weren't happy with it?
Why would any country enter an international trade agreement if they didn't allow scrutiny of said agreement?
The UK knew the rules prior to leaving the EU and dismissed any warnings.
The UK's incompetence (or just dishonesty) when signing the agreement is not justification for renegotiating it within months of signing it.
I'm beginning to think myself that they actually had no idea whatsoever.
To sign up to something with the intention of not honouring it would actually require effort and forethought.
Johnson & Co just want a quick win and then move onto getting the next big win in the bag with the minimum of effort required.
The UK government demanding a renegotiation of a deal that they negotiated line by line and then ratified by a democratic majority in their own parliament highlights only that they're incapable of living with the decisions they make themselves.
It also highlights that beside a ton of lies being told regarding Brexit, Brexiteers never gave a toss about democratic process or the Will of the People.
There is no democratic mandate from the people of UK to reopen negotiations, in fact the very recent election was a vote to Get Brexit Done and it was then proclaimed as done.
So a question for Brexiteers should a mandate be sought either via referendum or another UK election to reopen this can of worms? If yes then why was it not ok to hold a confirmatory Brexit referendum before? If answer is no then why is it ok to ignore the recent Will of the people (and the queen)?
so much hypocrisy
Countries do renegotiate trade agreements,Barrack Obama did it with the North American trade deal for example so the idea that it is unheard of is untrue.