Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

cgcsb · 20-07-2021 12:21PM

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There are no 100% effective vaccines for anything virusus are eradicated by vaccination none the less because of their efficacy at reducing circulation until they run out of hosts. leaving the under 18s is offering the virus hundreds of thousands of hosts to mutate in.

cgcsb · 20-07-2021 12:27PM

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Sure, but your chances of getting the virus when vaccinated is greatly reduced and your chances of passing it on are a fraction of that again, that's how vaccines work, it's about the herd, not the individual.

Former Former Former · 20-07-2021 12:40PM

The vaccines aren't good enough?

The mRNA vaccines are off the charts in terms of efficacy. Literally better than anyone could have hoped. Their effectiveness in stamping out Covid is limited only by the rate at which they go into arms.

The disinformation on these threads is incredible.

If you're waiting for a better vaccine, settle in for the long haul.

Sunny Dayz · 20-07-2021 01:03PM

Yes. He's 16, not far off 17. We've discussed it with him and he's in agreement to get the vaccine. He's seen both of us get it and plenty of other adults too. He'd love to be able to visit his great-gran properly instead of talking through the window at her. When he's going to get it is another story. I had hoped he'd be near enough done before school reopens but that's not looking likely.

20-07-2021 01:12PM

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I can understand anyone who feel like they want to wait for more data before vaccinating their children and more reassurances around the safety of the vaccine for kids. I get that.

But not vaccinating at all? IMO, that is not the best decision you can make for your children, sorry. That's anti-vax talk.

Unpopular opinion maybe, but we have a responsibility to the society we live in as well as to our children, when it comes to prevention of the spread of this virus. The bottom line is, if herd immunity isn't reached, we could ALL end up in a much worse situation than has happened already.

I would hate to see vaccination ever become mandatory but it has been done before with the smallpox vaccine, and they eradicated the disease, so I wouldn't rule it out if TPTB saw vaccination hesitancy dragging this whole thing out for another couple of years.

is_that_so · 20-07-2021 01:16PM

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Your opinion about what a parent should do is only valid for your children not anyone elses. Only two countries are vaccinating under 16s, every other country is waiting on data, so all of this is moot. COVID is not smallpox and will not be eradicated.

notAMember · 20-07-2021 01:23PM

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Comirnaty vaccine (Pfizer) is approved by the MHRA for children from 12 to 15. The data is available, no countries are waiting "on" data, they are waiting for their local health regulators to get around to reading it.

I love the armchair immunologists with sweeping statements about what is and isn't possible. 🙄

spaceHopper · 20-07-2021 01:28PM

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I think we have to set aside all other vaccines, they are old and well tested with lots of historical data.

The COVID vaccines is new, we were told it was well tested and safe, personally I think the makers did the best they could under the circumstances. But then we hear blood clots with AZ, then the EMA say not the case the they were proven wrong but we still have to uses it because of the social need and risk is low and outweighs the risk of covid. Then we have heart problems with Pfizer. The latest is we are now giving vaccines (AZ and J&J) to age groups we said we wouldn't but we need to get the job done, instead of waiting for the safer Pfizer.

The Swine Flu vaccines stick's with me because of how badly the victims have been treated, they received no compensation until one test case was settled out of court because they were going to lose and only because of that not because it was the right thing to to. Had that be handled in fair manner I'd be a lot less hesitant.

is_that_so · 20-07-2021 01:29PM

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Nice selective pickings there. Approved by EMA, not by NIAC, that means unavailable to us or any other EU country whose own body has not approved it. Nor is it in the UK as they are waiting for data, their words. Maybe they too are indulging in sweeping statements.

20-07-2021 01:34PM

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Pandemrix issues were apparent within 1 to 2 months of inoculation.

No one has as yet pointed to a single vaccine where long term effects are not apparent very quickly post immunisation.

20-07-2021 01:47PM

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I agree that at this moment in time, it is moot.

But it will be interesting to take up the discussion again when the vaccines are approved for children, and what excuses parents' will try to use then, for not vaccinating them.

Until then, the discussion really is only going to go around in circles.

One thing about this pandemic, it really has shown that people either don't feel or don't care to be reminded they have a responsibility to the society they live in, as well as to their own nearest and dearest, whether that comes to lockdowns, social distancing, wearing masks - and now vaccinations.

whippet · 20-07-2021 01:50PM

Pfizer have been vaccinating children over 12 in ireland for a few weeks now ... through their staff and family private program.

TaurenDruid · 20-07-2021 02:25PM

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"No vaccination? No physical school. Here's a laptop, a 4G dongle, and a URL for your Zoom or MS Teams. Welcome back in when you're vaccinated."

TaurenDruid · 20-07-2021 02:31PM

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"Why bother?"

1) To help prevent them getting COVID. Kids can and do get it. Most - but not all - get mild symptoms.

2) To reduce their chances of getting Long COVID, now or in the future. And believe me, that's something you don't want.

2) To help prevent them infecting others. Even if they're asymptomatic, they can pass it on to others, including adults. And there will always be people in the community who are more vulnerable than others, for whom the vaccine won't work, or who couldn't take it for genuine medical reasons.

3) To help prevent new vaccine-resistant strains emerging, which requires herd immunity.

4) To build herd immunity.

5) For the same reasons you got them vaccinations for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, and HPV.

Sobit1964 · 20-07-2021 02:41PM

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Another conspiracy theory about to be confirmed? The crypto fascists are becoming less crypto each passing day.

grofus2 · 20-07-2021 02:53PM

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You are wrong, all the current vaccines are on emergency licenced approval.

Dr RW malone, the inventor of mRNA Gene therapy has plenty to say on it

https://mobile.twitter.com/rwmalonemd/status/1417127571179909125

spaceHopper · 20-07-2021 02:55PM

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Yes, this is at least the 3 time you've said that. The issue I have if there is a problem, the kids are left to fend for themselves based on what happened before. I'm willing to take on that risk myself as covid is a risk for me but I can't do that with or to my children.

grofus2 · 20-07-2021 02:58PM

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Another government coercion tactic and lie

Former Former Former · 20-07-2021 02:58PM

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For the twentieth time. 'Emergency approval' is a USA term. If you live in the USA, I'll concede the point. If not, it's you who is wrong.

Also, do a bit more reading on whether that guy actually invented mRNA vaccines (spoiler alert; he didn't).

whippet · 20-07-2021 02:59PM

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Pfizer is due to get full approval in the very near future

francogarbanzo · 20-07-2021 03:01PM

No.

grofus2 · 20-07-2021 03:02PM

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Not true, viruses mutate in order to survive. Vaccines force it to mutate

grofus2 · 20-07-2021 03:05PM

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Spot on mate. Its the government's deliberate censorship of information that should ring alarm bells

grofus2 · 20-07-2021 03:06PM

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There is, its called influenza

grofus2 · 20-07-2021 03:08PM

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False information according to the very people pushing it, Dr RWMaloneMD invented the technology. Look him up, he has plenty to say

Former Former Former · 20-07-2021 03:29PM

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Again, THIS is false information. He did not invent mRNA vaccines. The only person making that claim is the man himself.

Unfortunately, people like this are pushing against an open door at the moment.

is_that_so · 20-07-2021 03:36PM

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He was involved as were a few others in a paper, but it was just a basic principle way back in 1989. He's had some criticism for his claims about the risks of mRNA vaccines.

grofus2 · 20-07-2021 03:43PM

https://www.rwmalonemd.com/mrna-vaccine-inventor

For me, there no data for the vaccine and virtually zero risk to children from COVID-19

Make your choices, but at best you are taking gamble that pro vaccine community are correct and your kid will be fine

Former Former Former · 20-07-2021 03:44PM

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Are you serious with this stuff?

Asymptomatic transmission is a massive issue with Covid.

I genuinely don't know if this is a wind-up. I really hope I'm being suckered in here.

20-07-2021 03:46PM

@grofus2

The conspiracy theory forum is that way >>>>

Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

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