Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1410979205970595842

Nphet will be saying the same once all adults have access to the vaccine.

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1410979205970595842

Nphet will be saying the same once all adults have access to the vaccine.

What a demented tweet - stop going after the children.

namloc1980 wrote: »

We know a small number of people can get quite ill from it but in those examples they didn't die or end up in serious hospital situations.

I mean we cannot prevent every illness or death. Is there any level of risk at all that is acceptable?

Didn't say they did btw. What they do show is that Delta is not simlly a cold with some sniffles as was being suggested . It has the potential to cause everything from mild to serious illness in otherwise healthy individuals.

And of course no one is suggesting preventing every illness or death.

But full vaccination puts hell of dint in the known risk from Covid. And afaik that's what we're going for.

30 families are bringing wrongful death suits against nursing homes.
They are also asking for a public inquiry into the handling of Covid 19 in nursing homes.

This could get interesting for some.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nearly-30-families-bringing-wrongful-death-suits-against-nursing-homes-over-covid-19-40604467.html

corkonion wrote: »

RTE news : Govt to buy one million vaccine doses from Romania

http://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0702/1232726-vaccine-romania-purchase/

Game changer

Personally speaking up until Monday i would have seen news like that and thought the same, brilliant, bring it on, fantastic news.

Honestly and maybe its just me im looking at it saying "so what?" NPHET still obsessing over cases, hospitals not able to cope COVID or no COVID etc etc.

For me im just looking and thinking it wont make a difference, there will always be something.

Maybe its just me, arm aching since my 2nd jab on tuesday and havent been feeling well since and just keep thinking, "whats the point?"

Great news about the Romania buy

Hopefully we can get the roll out ramped up

timmyntc wrote: »

Lol. The silent majority have long since flipped. You're in the minority now bud

Not at all. Stop fooling yourself

gozunda wrote: »

If you look at the graph linked you will note that case numbers have remained relatively high despite increased levels of vaccination. Why do you think that is? Much the same pattern can be seen going right back to April

No its not 'regardless". An equivalent time frame is required to look at changes in infections but also how vaccination rates and restrictions may have made a significant impact.

When did it Delta become dominant? Current estimates report that delta is likley to become dominant by mid-July.

But more importantly Delta was first detected here in April 2021 and in that time we have also had a rapid increase roll out of the vaccination programme. Restrictions to date are also a factor.

Why do you think cases have remained "relatively high" since last April when in reality they dropped by 45% from April 1st to Jun 28th?

Or by "the same pattern" do you mean "going up and down day by day"? They do that you know, that's why we use averages when we're looking at trends. Unless of course we're deliberately trying to obfuscate facts.
A bit like posting images of graphs of unsourced data. Just use Worldometer, at least they link to the HSE page they source the data from.

This was after Glynn and Varadkar stated at the end of March that we'd be lucky to keep cases below 500-600 per day because of the UK variant. Presumably he was aware we were vaccinating people, and of existing restrictions, and factored that in. He obviously didn't factor in the 60% more transmissible Delta since it wasn't here yet.
And yet despite Delta comprising more than half the cases by June 28th, and restrictions being eased in the meantime, case numbers dropped significantly, as did hospitalisations and deaths.

Also you might want to let NPHET know Delta isn't dominant yet. They're going around telling everyone it's now 70% of cases.

No problem. I think what that article does highlight is the difficulties tracking evolving viral strains and the time lag required to determine quantitve rates of change relating to those strains. I believe an updated report is due out this week.

Agree with that. It also does highlight how RTE are quite willing to deliberately
manipulate data to scare people.

MOH wrote: »

I feel like I just did this, but:
https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1230774/

a) make a statement about something possible.
b) immediately assume that as a fact, then use it to imply Delta cases increased by 50% in a week.
c) deliberately exaggerate the timeline. If the most recent sequencing data is 3 weeks old, then that's when the last confirmed Delta figures are from. So there were 188 cases confirmed as of 3 weeks ago.
So while it's technically also correct to say "last Thursday", it's deliberately misleading to exaggerate the supposed increase.

"Delta cases have increased by 32 in the last 3 weeks" doesn't sound nearly as scary, but does have the benefit of not being deliberately exaggerated to conclude the article on an ominous note.

The first thing that's a media report is not a scientific report - secondly whilst it useful information on the evolving situation with regard to the work being carried out - the report itself is over a week old - so you need to allow for that. Afaik there's a update on sequencing due this week.

Btw it doesn't mention that cases doubled / otlr increased by "50%". I think that's your own reading. I certainly take that from what was written

the kelt wrote: »

Personally speaking up until Monday i would have seen news like that and thought the same, brilliant, bring it on, fantastic news.

Honestly and maybe its just me im looking at it saying "so what?" NPHET still obsessing over cases, hospitals not able to cope COVID or no COVID etc etc.

For me im just looking and thinking it wont make a difference, there will always be something.

Maybe its just me, arm aching since my 2nd jab on tuesday and havent been feeling well since and just keep thinking, "whats the point?"

yes I know what you mean

any easing of restrictions is going to be contingent on the vaccination program more than ever after Tuesday

The quicker we can get people fully vaccinated the better

It should help in terms of cases, hospital numbers and ICU

The Romania vaccines will mean 500,000 people being vaccinated sooner if the government actually get the vaccines into the country

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

That absolute clown Micheal o Leary on NT warbling on and on

He is completely disregarding to the silent majority.

Public health comes first, not Ryanair profits.

Absolutely despicable from him and his cronies since the pandemic. So many ppl have told me they’ll never fly with Ryanair ever again.

Silent? Oh yes...Classic Ireland
Majority? Hmmm wrong on that one I'm afraid

MOR316 wrote: »

Yes, this is what I don't understand...

With every other disease going, we're only concerned about those who end up in Hospital and those who sadly pass away...

Yet, we're obsessed with case numbers with this disease, even people who don't even feel anything or know they have it, why? Especially with vaccinations working against it, I'm not understanding the fascination with the case numbers...

Causality, x numbers can lead to y% in hospital and z% dead. That worked fine as a model for a long time but now a combination of vaccination levels and those at risk, predominantly in younger groups, is making us question that. Even so the likes of the 5 day and 7 day rates may still indicate something, which is why they are so fixated on them.

There is always a benefit to be slightly behind so that one can learn from the experience of others. That is of course if one has an open mind and wants to learn from the experience of others.

They already know they have made a mistake in UK: https://youtu.be/QBcLVDAjadI (interview with a member of UK modelling group).
Vaccine efficacy and people’s behaviour has been better than the models assumed to be the case.

And here we are. Why would we learn from their outcome? Just made the same mistake. Backwater Ireland. Same old, same old.

Mcinerney wiping the floor with Leary

Calling out blatant lies and pathetic attempts at deception

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Mcinerney wiping the floor with Leary

Calling out blatant lies and pathetic attempts at deception

I think it's Michael who's calling out Sarah/RTE in fairness.