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Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

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    #1892
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Now lockdowns are back on the cards if this scary new variant causes an increase in case and hospital numbers

    ****ing sick of it all. Tony knows well the covid cert would be a ****ing nightmare for places and in turn places refusing to open cause of it. Tony says the Virus loves Alcohol, more like he doesn't like Alcohol and wants to kill the culture

    And your source for this is..?


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    #1893
    MOR316
    Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭MOR316


    dominatinMC wrote: »
    And your source for this is..?

    Tony Holohan said it today, that he won't rule it out


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    #1894
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Tony Holohan said it today, that he won't rule it out

    Ah okay, so not ruling it out now means it's guaranteed. :pac:


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    #1895
    MOR316
    Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭MOR316


    dominatinMC wrote: »
    Ah okay, so not ruling it out now means it's guaranteed. :pac:

    Huh? I never said anything...I was just replying to your post :confused:

    The other poster said they're back on the cards. The poster never said they were guaranteed and that was made clear today

    They'll probably happen though, given their track record. In my opinion of course


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    #1896
    xl500
    Registered Users Posts: 864 ✭✭✭xl500


    Covid pass works in other Countries no problem but our Publicians dont want it

    Probably because they couldnt ram their premises way above the numbers allowed


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    #1897
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    its hard not to see tony and his zealous mission against alcohol for what it is, but I just wonder why he has never been as zealous in anti "sale of alcohol" in supermarkets and off licence, he seems to really be gunning for nightclubs and pubs and old man pubs more than just the sale of alcohol in general.

    You're dead right. The evidence doest fit the claim that the rules are driven by Tony being anti-alcohol. Onwards and upwards to the next conspiracy theory, I suppose.


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    #1898
    mightyreds
    Registered Users Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    xl500 wrote: »
    Covid pass works in other Countries no problem but our Publicians dont want it

    Probably because they couldnt ram their premises way above the numbers allowed

    Doesn't make sense, there is no limit on vaccinated people meeting so if they had the cert implemented they can ram as many as they like in.


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    #1899
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,579 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    xl500 wrote: »
    Covid pass works in other Countries no problem but our Publicians dont want it
    Probably because they couldnt ram their premises way above the numbers allowed

    The Irish state can't even put together a Covid pass for 1.5 million vaccinated to travel freely in the EU when the rest of Europe has already done it..

    So if you're looking for someone to blame then look to FFFG-NPHET.


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    #1900
    mikekerry
    Registered Users Posts: 613 ✭✭✭mikekerry


    dominatinMC wrote: »
    Ah okay, so not ruling it out now means it's guaranteed. :pac:
    With tonys track record "not ruling it out" means another lockdown guaranteed


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    #1901
    HBC08
    Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭HBC08


    mightyreds wrote: »
    Doesn't make sense, there is no limit on vaccinated people meeting so if they had the cert implemented they can ram as many as they like in.

    Sigh,
    There are limits in a pub or restaurant vaccinated or not.


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    #1902
    mightyreds
    Registered Users Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    HBC08 wrote: »
    Sigh,
    There are limits in a pub or restaurant vaccinated or not.

    Yeah no ones allowed in at the minute , so no capacity but as far as i know theres no other plans till July 19th


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    #1903
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Huh? I never said anything...I was just replying to your post :confused:

    The other poster said they're back on the cards. The poster never said they were guaranteed and that was made clear today

    They'll probably happen though, given their track record. In my opinion of course
    Apologies, read the post wrong :o


    Given we are still in a pandemic, lockdowns are always "on the cards" - in other words a possibility. But with the vaccines being so effective, the probability of another lockdown is extremely low IMO. Anyway, I digress, for this thread is about pubs! :)


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    #1904
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    xl500 wrote: »
    Covid pass works in other Countries no problem but our Publicians dont want it

    Probably because they couldnt ram their premises way above the numbers allowed

    So they're flouting the rules but also don't want a rule brought in that could let *some* people indoors which would be a great mask for letting lots of people who aren't vaccinated indoors if one was to flout the rules because it doesn't let them pack the pubs while following the rules??
    That is some all over the shop logic!


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    #1905
    MOH
    Registered Users Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭MOH


    xl500 wrote: »
    No the owners of licensed premises have responsibilities as they are running a licensed premises and they are required to run it properly and in accordance with the law why should Gardai have to be going around pubs the owners should be running it in accordance with the law and if not then they could lose license

    Did you report transport company to the Gardai

    And how do you think the process of losing their license happens? Do you think the all-knowing magic license fairy hands them out to pubs, but takes them back from the naughty ones?

    If you've got a problem with a particular pub, you're perfectly free to object to their license renewal to you local Circuit Court. There's even a handy guide on how to do it. Or since the objection might carry more weight from the Gardai, you could save them having to go around pubs by reporting the specific pub with an issue.

    Of course, since courts deal in facts, either of those you require actual evidence relating to a specific premises. Rather than general rants about how all publicans are evil moneygrabbers who probably grease people up on the way in so they can jam as many as physically possible inside.


    (As far as the transport company goes, given Irish Rail are a monopoly, unfortunately I'm not aware of any similar method by which it's possible to object to them being the operator of a particular route. I suspect if it was they'd be long gone. )


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    #1906
    xl500
    Registered Users Posts: 864 ✭✭✭xl500


    mightyreds wrote: »
    Doesn't make sense, there is no limit on vaccinated people meeting so if they had the cert implemented they can ram as many as they like in.

    No they cant every premises has a max number under their license but this is not easy to enforce but with covid pass very easy to see how many have entered so therefore not as easy to be in breach of allowed numbers

    I suspect this has a lot to do with the Vitners objections


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    #1907
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,579 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    xl500 wrote: »
    No they cant every premises has a max number under their license but this is not easy to enforce but with covid pass very easy to see how many have entered so therefore not as easy to be in breach of allowed numbers
    I suspect this has a lot to do with the Vitners objections

    This magic "Covid pass" system just won't be done in Ireland, at least not anytime soon, there's no database or app or set of laws/rules in place for it, so you can keep having a pop at Publicans and the Vintners but it doesn't change the fact that the Government should have a system like this rolled out.


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    #1908
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,615 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    NPHET should be put back in there box after the stuff that's happening this week

    I was chatting with a mate on Wednesday and we were saying the same thing, we thought the furore from publicans, restauranteurs and the public in general about delaying opening up would result in them putting NPHET back in their box.

    But then yesterday happened and what we saw was an absolute tour de force by Tony Holohan in seizing back the narrative and scaring the sh1te out of the country all over again. Even look at the headlines on the newspapers today, they are all generated by him. What he did was a remarkable flexing of his power.

    At this stage we essentially have two governments, a political one and a health only one. Holohan has his platform with his daily press conferences and all media present and if he doesnt like what the politicians are saying he uses those pressers to scare people and seize back the initiative. Its pretty remarkable really.


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    #1909
    mightyreds
    Registered Users Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    xl500 wrote: »
    No they cant every premises has a max number under their license but this is not easy to enforce but with covid pass very easy to see how many have entered so therefore not as easy to be in breach of allowed numbers

    I suspect this has a lot to do with the Vitners objections

    Ah right I thought we were chatting within the confines of covid restrictions not general restrictions on numbers, I've no argument with that


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    #1910
    xl500
    Registered Users Posts: 864 ✭✭✭xl500


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    This magic "Covid pass" system just won't be done in Ireland, at least not anytime soon, there's no database or app or set of laws/rules in place for it, so you can keep having a pop at Publicans and the Vintners but it doesn't change the fact that the Government should have a system like this rolled out.

    Not having a pop at them just pointing out they are objecting to the covid pass and saying it's unworkable etcetc even if one was ready now to go

    So what's they objections if they want to open safely as they say they do then make sure everyone who enters your premises is vaccinated including staff and with the vaccine now being rolled out to younger age groups what's the problem oh of course people would know how many enters the premises can't have that can we


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    #1911
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭brickster69


    News from Northern Ireland

    Pubs and Hotels can apply to open until 2am up to 104 nights per year;
    Smaller pubs will be able to open to 1am up to 104 nights per year;
    Drinking-up time will be increased to 1 hour;

    All roads lead to Rome.



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    #1912
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 37,916 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    brickster69 wrote: »
    News from Northern Ireland

    Pubs and Hotels can apply to open until 2am up to 104 nights per year;
    Smaller pubs will be able to open to 1am up to 104 nights per year;
    Drinking-up time will be increased to 1 hour;

    Lucky buggers


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    #1913
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    brickster69 wrote: »
    News from Northern Ireland

    Pubs and Hotels can apply to open until 2am up to 104 nights per year;
    Smaller pubs will be able to open to 1am up to 104 nights per year;
    Drinking-up time will be increased to 1 hour;

    That's general licensing laws from later this year for some and 2022 for others, nothing to do with covid.

    Sure there's a bill to be presented here soon with later licensing hours going forward


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    #1914
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,707 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    brickster69 wrote: »
    News from Northern Ireland

    Pubs and Hotels can apply to open until 2am up to 104 nights per year;
    Smaller pubs will be able to open to 1am up to 104 nights per year;
    Drinking-up time will be increased to 1 hour;

    Nice to see them finally play catch up.


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    #1915
    saabsaab
    Registered Users Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Should have set up a few pubs as vaccine centres. Two pints of lager and a vaccine please.


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    #1916
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    Can't help but be very concerned about the sharp upward trend in hospitalisations when looking at the 7 day average. 77% of cases Delta variant.

    Looking more and more like we'll see a tightening of restrictions rather than an easing. A shame. A lot of irresponsible publicans serving takeaway pints with no care as to the consequences have only themselves to blame in my opinion. A shame.


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    #1917
    saabsaab
    Registered Users Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    At this stage nothing will stop Delta becoming the only form of Covid infection here. Bring on Vax Passes.


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    #1918
    Munsterbhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 276 ✭✭Munsterbhoy


    Here in limerick what I've seen over the last couple of weeks is that any pub with a smoking area has it converted to outdoor drinking. Pubs that were closed since March 2020 have opened up even 'old man's pubs' . Purely to trade and have some kind of normality.


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    #1919
    Cork2021
    Registered Users Posts: 2,266 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Can't help but be very concerned about the sharp upward trend in hospitalisations when looking at the 7 day average. 77% of cases Delta variant.

    Looking more and more like we'll see a tightening of restrictions rather than an easing. A shame. A lot of irresponsible publicans serving takeaway pints with no care as to the consequences have only themselves to blame in my opinion. A shame.

    Yawn!


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    #1920
    saabsaab
    Registered Users Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Munsterbhoy wrote: »
    Here in limerick what I've seen over the last couple of weeks is that any pub with a smoking area has it converted to outdoor drinking. Pubs that were closed since March 2020 have opened up even 'old man's pubs' . Purely to trade and have some kind of normality.


    Same in many places.


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    #1921
    PommieBast
    Registered Users Posts: 2,597 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    At this stage we essentially have two governments, a political one and a health only one. Holohan has his platform with his daily press conferences and all media present and if he doesnt like what the politicians are saying he uses those pressers to scare people and seize back the initiative. Its pretty remarkable really.
    For me the real issue is them leaving it right to the last minute, after publicans have spent 10-15 grand getting in stock. This is well beyond the level of wishful thinking prevaelant among even politicans so deliberate malace has to be assumed.


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