Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Applying different restrictions to vaccindated and unvaccinated isn't discrimination, it's logical management of risk. I'm getting my 2nd shot on friday, my wife hasn't registered and won't for the foreseeable future as she has had previous bad experiences with some drugs and vacs - but she will remain isolating until she has received a vaccine at some point. It's rational, safe, common sense and fair in that the only people paying the price for her delay is us.
I'd actually be in favour as a compromise of allowing unvaccinated to receive the same restrictions as vaccinated if they sign a waiver for assistance with all related medical fees, not a cent of public money to pay for any complications related to covid if they get it. If you don't get the vaccine and stay in isolation without signing, no problem if by chance you are infected then the state continues to cover you, otherwise you live with the consequences of your choice to ignore well planned medical advice, I'm not going to do that for you. And for all of you that will no doubt jump on this with the usual 'sheep'/'crazy'/'you don't understand the pressure'/'bow down to bill gates and the vaccine chip overlords' comments if you are right you have nothing to lose by something like this so why even object? I mean it's not like you're just happy to take a risk when someone else has to help pay for it, right?
If they open indoor hospitality to the unvaccinated we will have another surge and a harder lockdown, and that cycle will continue ad-inifinitum. How does that help the hospitality industry at all? Partial opening to vaccinated provides an initially slower but long term growth of business back to sustainability and not just reactive bursts that are self damaging.

Red Silurian wrote: »

From what I can tell this could be the straw that breaks the publics back, I thought last year and the pubs being kept closed until September would be that straw but I've never seen it as bad since yesterdays announcement

There is, of course an easier way

The VFI, LVA and all other pub (and hotel) groups should close on Monday in solidarity

Stick all the staff back on the PUP and let the govt decide if it is still a good call

They should just open and dare the government to do something. Like we've been told our policing model is based on consent so let's have mass disobedience and challenge them.

Sent the following email to Michael McGrath, Simon Coveney and Micheal Martin. Thanks to whoever provided the template earlier.

Deputy,
As a constituent of Cork South-Central and voter in the 2020 General Election, I wish to express my dissatisfaction with you, and your party, for the quality of governance being provided.

My faith in the National Public Health Emergency Team being able to consider potential future scenarios that are within reasonable parameters is lost. Potential for over 700,000 cases and 2,000 deaths in 3 months from where we are now; inexplicable. Think of the sizes of towns and villages in Ireland to facilitate this level of transmission when vaccination, those with covid already, population dispersion and other restrictions such as WFH are in place. I can assure you that the numbers simply do not stack up. The fact that these numbers were even provided to cabinet in the first place is enough to deem NPHET unfit for purpose, in my opinion. What's the point in getting vaccinated if you, the government, tell the public that these scenarios will happen either way? There has been significant damage caused to the vaccination programme because of this.

In addition, watching government kite flying, spin and mismanagement over the last several days means I've also lost faith in the government's ability to effectively guide us out of this in a sustainable way.

The fact that no alternatives had even been considered, and you're at the mercy of last-minute decisions by NPHET, demonstrates how poorly you, as part of the government, is serving the public.

normanoffside wrote: »

Maybe a better picture

ffs

vaccine coercion

very few people will want to be associated with anything anti vaccine

in fact the majority of people are fully engaged with the vaccine program and are shocked to see that they might as well not have bothered for all the good it's delivering in their lives. That's a long way from complaints about vaccine coercion

lawred2 wrote: »

ffs

vaccine coercion

very few people will want to be associated with anything anti vaccine

I hope that doesnt stop people going. I unfortunately can't.

My body my choice (and Im generally pro vaccine)

Just boo the nutters

titan18 wrote: »

It's not anti vaccine. Theres a bit difference between anti vaccine and anti vaccine coercion. If someone doesn't want to get it for any reason or they want to wait a bit, that's fine. They shouldn't be punished for that. What happened to my body, my choice that was huge here a few years ago.

there's a very slim difference

Red Silurian wrote: »

From what I can tell this could be the straw that breaks the publics back, I thought last year and the pubs being kept closed until September would be that straw but I've never seen it as bad since yesterdays announcement

There is, of course an easier way

The VFI, LVA and all other pub (and hotel) groups should close on Monday in solidarity

Stick all the staff back on the PUP and let the govt decide if it is still a good call

Honestly can’t agree with this.

Yes some Low level grumbles, a lot of “we are this far, what’s another few weeks” and “thankfully they are listening to the experts” on my rounds today (north Kildare west dub)

ACitizenErased wrote: »

More from the publicans:
https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1410282482449145862?s=20

Tony Holohan knows it’s unworkable.

But now he will just say “well I did give you a chance to open up, your fault”

And no one will dare question!

lawred2 wrote: »

there's a very slim difference

This is like saying that being pro choice for abortion, is similar to being anti abortion. They are not one bit similar.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Sent the following email to Michael McGrath, Simon Coveney and Micheal Martin. Thanks to whoever provided the template earlier.

Just emailed my local Government TD as well - I will see what comes back.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Ehm is that not what feeds their children and pays the bills? Literally everyone is only interested in money, the world revolves around it

There’s a more fundamental thing and it’s called public health

Make no apologies for prioritising it over money

mightyreds wrote: »

It's extremely hard to run a successful business without it .. believe it or not

Would rather be up than 6 feet under the ground

The most infuriating thing to me is that other countries are doing everything possible to open things up by using antigen tests etc, while we seem intent on doing all we can to keep things closed. Why?