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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #1022
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Months ago. Why are we testing again and not learning? The UK and other EU countries would be more than happy to share their data and learnings. Or are we special?

    Months ago the U.K. had much higher levels of those vaccinated than Ireland and used test event before increasing attendance numbers. Much the same as we are doing now with 8,000 in Croke Park this Saturday.


  • #1023
    SteelyDanJalapeno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,390 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    RobitTV wrote: »
    We are all in this together. #Holdfirm

    https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1410002817687883786

    Jesus Christ lord above


  • #1024
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    What can you actually learn from having 500 people in a 44,000 capacity stadium? Its useless and is nothing more than a bit of theatre to show us "look we're doing something anyway".


  • #1025
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Bigger venue, bigger crowd. Same as most others countries who held these test events as far as I know.
    You'd wonder at the GAA planning to have it in a place that only allows 200. Sure, it's a pain to get to Dublin but at least more people can. We really do need to be cranking up from the hundreds and thousands at this stage to bigger numbers.


  • #1026
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    daheff wrote: »
    If thats how people feel, then maybe we can keep the database of people vaccinated vs not vaccinated. When hospitals fill up to capacity maybe we can then use the said database to kick those who wouldn't get a vaccine to the back of the queue for the ICU beds??


    Jesus wept. the selfishness of some people to think that they don't need to be vaccinated.

    Shockingly, people don't like being coerced by the state into taking a vaccine that hasn't gone through any of the standard protocols, just so that they can have a sniff of freedom. You're rights aren't a contract, you are born with them, you aren't meant to have to do certain things to get them back, as it goes against the very nature of rights.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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  • #1027
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Months ago the U.K. had much higher levels of those vaccinated than Ireland and used test event before increasing attendance numbers. Much the same as we are doing now with 8,000 in Croke Park this Saturday.

    You're not reading any of the posts. Waste of time engaging.


  • #1028
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    What can you actually learn from having 500 people in a 44,000 capacity stadium? Its useless and is nothing more than a bit of theatre to show us "look we're doing something anyway".

    Absolutely nothing, but it makes for a nice covid theatre piece on the Six One News. Farce.


  • #1029
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    looks like the summer is gone really for hospitality mid september when schools are back before any indoor opens , time to head to northern ireland and mainland britain so for weekend fun! awful pity we ever broke from Britain at all. The Republic of Ireland is a failed state.


  • #1030
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,788 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    In fairness I don't agree with a lot of what you post but you're at least putting in the effort to come up with reasonable alternative solutions that still take heed of NPHET advice. I don't understand why government can't do the same.

    I don't like it but NPHET are the experts, and they are only giving their opinion and they might be wrong now but in the past they have been right!

    At the same time I think we are at a point here where we are probably staring down the barrel of another lockdown this coming winter due to the influence from our neighbouring countries - and that will be regardless of what we do now.

    So let's copy what our neighbours are doing and give the people of Ireland a bit of a breather in the mean time? If I'm wrong (and hopefully I am) then even better!


  • #1031
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Eh . They have already proved they are safe . Why are we doing the same thing at the same starting point ?

    Perhaps because it may not be always advisable to follow the results of others when a later variable becomes known.
    The India variant has slowed down the U.K. reopening and had it been present when they did their test events, then their conclusions may have been much different on attendance numbers.


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  • #1032
    Tchaikovsky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Tchaikovsky


    RobitTV wrote: »
    LOL

    Tubridy is attempting to cover his ass before the future backlash arrives

    https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1410161949044883464

    He had a titter at the thought of the young lad asking his mother for her vaccination card before heading out.


  • #1033
    Whatsisname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,807 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    RobitTV wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/robertburke84/status/1410138216582324230

    I swear everyone has forgotten indoor hospitality opened last Summer without vaccines and any spike in infections. Why do people act like last Summer never happened?


  • #1034
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    TomsOnTheRoof threadban lifted following discussion with user

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  • #1035
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Months ago. Why are we testing again and not learning? The UK and other EU countries would be more than happy to share their data and learnings. Or are we special?

    Well for a start the U.K have slowed their reopening as well due to the India variant, and neither they or any other country have any data on test events with this variant present.


  • #1036
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Red Silurian wrote: »
    I don't like it but NPHET are the experts, and they are only giving their opinion and they might be wrong now but in the past they have been right!

    At the same time I think we are at a point here where we are probably staring down the barrel of another lockdown this coming winter due to the influence from our neighbouring countries - and that will be regardless of what we do now.

    So let's copy what our neighbours are doing and give the people of Ireland a bit of a breather in the mean time? If I'm wrong (and hopefully I am) then even better!

    They presented models to cabinet yesterday akin to a weather forecaster saying that the temperature tomorrow will be somewhere between -10 and +50 degrees and rain will range from 0mm to 1,000mm. If a meteorologist did that they'd be fired. Those models have seriously exposed their "expertise".


  • #1037
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Well for a start the U.K have slowed their reopening as well due to the India variant, and neither they or any other country have any data on test events with this variant present.

    They've had crowds at Wembley and Hampden Park for matches for the last 2 and a half weeks. Has there been spikes associated with those? I'd like to see the data.


  • #1038
    Whatsisname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,807 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Well for a start the U.K have slowed their reopening as well due to the India variant, and neither they or any other country have any data on test events with this variant present.

    Government knew about the variant on April 1st. April 23rd they put India on the red list. Test events ran from April 17th to May 15th.


  • #1039
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Well for a start the U.K have slowed their reopening as well due to the India variant, and neither they or any other country have any data on test events with this variant present.

    You realise them slowing their reopening was them not opening nightclubs right? There's a big difference between their slowing down vs ours.


  • #1040
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    RobitTV wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/robertburke84/status/1410138216582324230

    A reminder for all posters - link dumping is not allowed.

    If you're going to link to a twitter post or a news article at least provide a brief one-liner of either the content, or your thoughts/opinion on it. This has been happening more and more lately

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  • #1041
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I think that was a fair enough viewpoint (and one I would have agreed with) back when NPHET were largely in line with experts in other countries. As it stands, they're looking increasingly out on their own. The stance on antigen testing defies all reason, and talk of indoor dining being pushed back until september seems unnecessarily negative.

    We'll know for certain within a couple of weeks how serious delta is in the UK. Why not say "look, we're going to kep an eye on the UK to see how strong the link between hospitalisations/deaths and cases is. If that link is weak and there's no major risk to the population, we open on the 19th"?

    I would agree with your point of keeping an eye on the U.K. for the next few weeks and then base how we go forward on that data, but on the antigen testing I do not see how that would work. Self administered tests are highly unreliable so I don`t see how they could be acceptable.


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  • #1042
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    RobitTV wrote: »
    LOL

    Tubridy is attempting to cover his ass before the future backlash arrives

    https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1410161949044883464

    I never talk back to the car radio. It's totally ridiculous behaviour.

    But I ROARED at the radio this morning when that skinny, smug, smarmy, super gay weight started up with his 'I feel for you but we must respect those who know better than us'


  • #1043
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    charlie14 wrote: »
    I would agree with your point of keeping an eye on the U.K. for the next few weeks and then base how we go forward on that data, but on the antigen testing I do not see how that would work. Self administered tests are highly unreliable so I don`t see how they could be acceptable.

    In Denmark they have 800 pop up test centres all around the country. That's how it works. Or use the already there network of nationwide pharmacies to do them. Easy stuff but no chance we do that in this country. Makes far too much sense.


  • #1044
    Quags
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Quags


    https://twitter.com/EssexPR/status/1409990404657848325

    Looks like the UK Gov are to drop the Vaccine Passport


  • #1045
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,609 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    charlie14 wrote: »
    I would agree with your point of keeping an eye on the U.K. for the next few weeks and then base how we go forward on that data, but on the antigen testing I do not see how that would work. Self administered tests are highly unreliable so I don`t see how they could be acceptable.

    Antigen tests are done in centers all over the place.
    Pharmacies could administer them. Again, plenty of countries are doing this and have no trouble with it. It's only here in Ireland that we seem to make up a fictional scenario (self testing) and use that to justify not doing anything at all


  • #1046
    Ballynally
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭Ballynally


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Yes they can put additional restrictions at will.

    55. To ensure coordination, the Commission and the other Member States should be informed when a Member State requires holders of certificates to undergo, after entry into its territory, quarantine or self-isolation or to be tested for SARS-CoV-2 infection, or if it imposes other restrictions on holders of such certificates.

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32021R0953&qid=1625042455003&from=EN

    Ouch! I stand corrected. Thanks.


  • #1047
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    titan18 wrote: »
    You realise them slowing their reopening was them not opening nightclubs right? There's a big difference between their slowing down vs ours.

    They slowed down their reopening at a higher level of vaccination than we are presently at. They didn`t just open up Wembley to 45,000 supporters at lower levels off vaccination without holding test events first.


  • #1048
    RobitTV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    The UK is now considering dumping the 'vaccine pass'

    And the morons here are going to spend the next two weeks trying to come up with something out of thin air.


  • #1049
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    Shockingly, people don't like being coerced by the state into taking a vaccine that hasn't gone through any of the standard protocols, just so that they can have a sniff of freedom. You're rights aren't a contract, you are born with them, you aren't meant to have to do certain things to get them back, as it goes against the very nature of rights.

    On a general point - that depends very much in where you are born - as to what "rights" you get to call your own

    Atm we have temporary restrictions. They are not permanent.

    Rights can change over time and new ones legislated for. Rights do however come with limits - for example my right to swing my fist - ends at your nose. But more importantly most rights come with obligations on a civil level for example I can drive down the motorway anytime I want - but I must do so safely and not endanger others.

    That said there is no plan in place to force those who do not wish to take the vaccine - but those that don't will remain subject to relevant restrictions (or at least will be until all restrictions are removed) - whilst those that do - increasingly won't be subject to those restrictions. So yeah a bit of a conundrum for those who don't want to (or can't) get vaccinated.


  • #1050
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    RobitTV wrote: »
    This is why I mentioned antigen testing. We need this in Ireland.

    But people are getting antigen tested because they have to avail of the covid pass in barbers bars etc.

    Do you really think the Danes would be getting tested as regularly if they didn't need to for the covid pass.

    Both the pass and the antigen tests go hand in hand in Denmark.


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  • #1051
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Antigen tests are done in centers all over the place.
    Pharmacies could administer them. Again, plenty of countries are doing this and have no trouble with it. It's only here in Ireland that we seem to make up a fictional scenario (self testing) and use that to justify not doing anything at all

    I would still have doubts about their reliability, even when being carried out by a professional, so I`m not sure I would find those carried out by an employee in a pharmacy any more reliable tbh.


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