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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #512
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Patrick2010 wrote: »
    Just watching George Lee on RTÉ, when did he become a NPHet cheerleader? Realistically pubs and restaurants can write off opening this summer, it’s obvious Tony H is in charge. Government should be honest and say there’s no point in pretending it’s only a couple of weeks, it’ll be next year

    About 15 months ago.


  • #513
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    No I expect elected officials to question and challenge what they are being presented with before making massive decisions. Not act as a rubber stamping exercise for what is supposed to be only an advisory group.

    Sorry but do you realise NPHET are public health experts.

    The politicians are certainly NOT


  • #514
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    HerrKapitan wrote: »
    To congratulate the English team perhaps

    Doubt that his bosses team got beat :D

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #515
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,312 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    RobitTV wrote: »
    Finally some TD's have found a bloody backbone...

    If that's the strength of the "opposition" we're in worse trouble than we thought!

    Usless Alan Kelly and "Bat sh*t Crazy" Healy-Rae, MMartin just laughs at them..


    The Government now have to decide if it's "Vaccinated only" or keep the Hospitality industry closed into September which will be the end of most of them without more state borrowing to prop them up and pile it all onto the national debt..


  • #516
    Bricriu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭Bricriu


    Fils wrote: »
    We just need to get everyone to hang tough for another few weeks. Nphet asks are small.

    'hang tough' You sound like effin fascist supremo and ultimate control freak Eoghan Harris!


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  • #517
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Sorry but do you realise NPHET are public health experts.

    The politicians are certainly NOT

    Are you not reading the posts or something? The politicians job is to take account of the social, economic and other health implications of their decisions. Not just rubber stamp the narrow view of one group and to hell with every other consideration. Do you not understand this?


  • #518
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Well isn’t that preferable to politicians “winging it” and just guessing what needs to be done?

    NPHET are public health experts
    .

    Experts predicting 2,000 could die by August, its scaremonging not rational advice . and the Irish public lap it up, whilst the rest of Europe and America open up, and live with the virus whilst the most vulbnerable are vaccinated.


  • #519
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Are you not reading the posts or something? The politicians job is to take account of the social, economic and other health implications of their decisions. Not just rubber stamp the narrow view of one group and to hell with every other consideration. Do you not understand this?

    You are naive if you don’t think the cabinet scrutinised the nphet report


  • #520
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    You are naive if you don’t think the cabinet scrutinised the nphet report

    They said they took what NPHET told them. Martin literally said that in his speech earlier. Are they lying now also?


  • #521
    Frozen Veg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Frozen Veg


    We are at a critical stage in the fight against the virus.


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  • #522
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Even the "optimistic" numbers in the NPHET model need serious scrutiny. 250 deaths and 80k+ cases in the next couple of months is the best case scenario.


  • #523
    munster87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭munster87


    Frozen Veg wrote: »
    We are at a critical stage in the fight against the virus.

    This time next year will be far more critical.


  • #524
    some.guy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭some.guy


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    You are naive if you don’t think the cabinet scrutinised the nphet report

    I'm sure they scrutinized it like all the rest of us after they rubber stamped it.


  • #525
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,874 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Sorry but do you realise NPHET are public health experts.

    The politicians are certainly NOT

    Experts??

    Have you SEEN the fcuking state of our health service??


  • #526
    Frozen Veg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Frozen Veg


    Mind boggling that there has been no consideration of antigen tests. Granted they're not perfect but they would provide an extra layer of protection in addition to continuing vaccinations while allowing people and businesses to get back to a reasonable level of normality.


  • #527
    munster87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭munster87


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Even the "optimistic" numbers in the NPHET model need serious scrutiny. 250 deaths and 80k+ cases in the next couple of months is the best case scenario.

    What are they saying deaths wise worst case??


  • #528
    jammiedodgers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Thank God for the CSO,so to the 8th January 2,096 deaths from Covid19. ?

    Anything for Jan 8th to Date ?

    Deaths up to 30th April were 4,622 in total. So 2,526 deaths from January - April 2021, not much further info because of the hack.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries30/


  • #529
    some.guy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭some.guy


    Frozen Veg wrote: »
    We are at a critical stage in the fight against the virus.

    What stage wasn't "critical"? People have been saying that ****e all throughout.


  • #530
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Experts??

    Have you SEEN the fcuking state of our health service??

    Question for you

    What does NPHET stand for

    That will give you an idea of their expertise...


  • #531
    jammiedodgers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    munster87 wrote: »
    What are they saying deaths wise worst case??

    2,170 deaths over July, August & September


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  • #532
    PaulJoseph22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Sorry but do you realise NPHET are public health experts.

    The politicians are certainly NOT

    Health experts..,,, really? Don’t give AZ to the over 60’s….. Give AZ to the over 60’s. Don’t give AZ or J&J to the under 50’s. Give AZ and J&J to the under 50’s….,


  • #533
    Frozen Veg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Frozen Veg


    some.guy wrote: »
    What stage wasn't "critical"? People have been saying that ****e all throughout.

    We are all in this together.

    Wash your hands.

    Wear a mask.


  • #534
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    munster87 wrote: »
    What are they saying deaths wise worst case??

    2,170 by the end of September. Madness.


  • #535
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Donnelly on RTE Radio 1 earlier confirmed NPHET are in charge of national policy. He said cabinet will go with NPHET recommendations because they are the experts. Dobbo did challenge him on the projections and Donnelly just repeated the line that NPHET are the experts and that's that. Tony and NPHET are firmly in control of the country at this point and it's pretty much undeniable.

    That's quite a Statement coming from an Elected TD and Cabinet Minister.

    I'm not an expert in Constitutional Law,but to suggest a 30+ Member Public Health Emergency Team is "In Charge" of National Policy would appear to be very much open to Legal Challenge.

    One might wonder if the members of NPHET have investigated the documentation outlining their remit & responsibilities,and more specifically whatever indemnifications (if any) they may have been provided with.

    One might speculate that if a member of the Public were to be able to prove (in civil court ?) that they had personally suffered loss and/or damage and also to their business or proffessional standing due to NPHET,s flawed and unreviewed "recommendations" then it could make for interesting days in the Public Gallery.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #536
    Frozen Veg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Frozen Veg


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    2,200 by the end of September. Madness.

    How can they model data when they can't access the data for the last couple of months due to archaic IT Systems.


  • #537
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Cork Lass wrote: »
    I'm the same constituency as you and I was opening up my email to send a message to them but once i looked at the names i just thought "f*ck it, there's absolutely no point".

    I’ve emailed Coveney, McGrath, Martin and O’Laoghaire. I made it clear how disgusted I am at it all.


  • #538
    PaulJoseph22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    Why are they so concerned about Covid? What about cancer, heart and all the other patients who are being neglected while these clowns bang on about Covid?
    Something needs to be done, we need to take a stand.


  • #539
    Fandymo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Vicxas wrote: »
    We now go live to NPHETS spokesman on the state of the country:

    11714263-head-of-a-thoroughbred-shire-horse-wearing-tackle-and-blinkers.jpg

    Wrong end.


  • #540
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Yeah, ask Tony how his cervical check expertise is....

    Irrelevant to this sorry now


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  • #541
    PaulJoseph22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Irrelevant to this sorry now

    Not irrelevant, if this is the level of ‘expertise’ that the clowns are following.


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