Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

brickster69 · 29-06-2021 2:30pm

PaulJoseph22 wrote: »

Is this the same science that said AZ and J&J was not suitable for the younger population but now is.
They’re making it up as they go along. A primary school class would do a better job.

Yes, the very same ones who said it was not suitable for older people at the start of this fiasco. :eek:

Red Silurian · 29-06-2021 2:30pm

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Irish Times Headline today:

NPHET More than 2,000 could die from Covid in September.

Its a pity they don't print The Irish Times on smaller, softer and more absorbent 3 ply sheets.

What's wrong with that headline? NPHET did actually say that they're only reporting the facts just like every other news outlet did

VinLieger · 29-06-2021 2:32pm

gozunda wrote: »

You may wish to check your figures btw.
Currently, 41% of the population are fully vaccinated while 65% have had at least one dose of vaccine.

The problem with one dose is that those unvaccinated or who have had only one dose at most at risk from the Covid delta variant

Not according to what I heard on Virgin earlier, they said 70%+ have had 1 dose.

suicide_circus · 29-06-2021 2:33pm

bear1 wrote: »

I believe lads we've just witnessed the end of this government today.

To be replaced by parties who want even more restrictions?

lawrencesummers · 29-06-2021 2:33pm

francogarbanzo wrote: »

You sure?

This might be a good time to point out that EVERYBOdY who receives a COVID-19 vaccine will die.

bear1 · 29-06-2021 2:33pm

Salvation Tambourine wrote: »

And replaced by others who have not challenged the government and NPHET? The vast majority of them are spineless. So hard to vote for any one of these.

I hear trump needs a job and tbh I'd gladly put him in power if I could.

29-06-2021 2:35pm

Red Silurian wrote: »

What's wrong with that headline? NPHET did actually say that they're only reporting the facts just like every other news outlet did

For some people unless the media are telling them what they want to hear then it's biased or wrong.

Red Silurian · 29-06-2021 2:35pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

To be replaced by parties who want even more restrictions?

More restrictions but a better chance to buy a house and a stronger health service... At least we would get some things we need in our country

suicide_circus · 29-06-2021 2:35pm

RobitTV wrote: »

Vaccines have broken the link between Covid cases and hospitalisations.

But our link with the Irish people shall never be broken.

We will manage your risk. We will make your choices. All for a safer Ireland.

jusvi2001 · 29-06-2021 2:36pm

What a pathetic leader is this Martin. no vision or courage lead this country out of this situation. we were the only country in europe to shut down construction and now we are the only country where indoor dining is still closed. If NPHET whose expert advise is 'close down everthing' since last 15 months is running this country then why we need these political spineless clowns.

gozunda · 29-06-2021 2:36pm

francogarbanzo wrote: »

https://cf-images.eu-west-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/jit/2821697655001/fba987ab-de7e-4237-a7e8-9096f4a4db39/main/1280x720/1m1s258ms/match/image.jpg

You sure?

Yup.

Delta is moderately resistant to vaccines, particularly in people who have received just a single dose. A Public Health England study published on 22 May found that a single dose of either AstraZeneca's or Pfizer's vaccine reduced a person’s risk of developing COVID-19 symptoms caused by the Delta variant by 33%, compared to 50% for the Alpha variant. A second dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine boosted protection against Delta to 60% (compared to 66% against Alpha), while two doses of Pfizer’s jab were 88% effective (compared to 93% against Alpha).

If you like to present your scientific reasoning as to why you disagree with the findings that those unvaccinated or just had one dose are most at risk (and btw you may notice that's not just "deaths") from the Covid delta variant - then I'm sure they'd be delighted to accommodate any pertinent information

theoneeyedman · 29-06-2021 2:37pm

A question.

Based in best guess I know......

A close friend is getting married in early August and was advised that they could have 100 at the reception.

How likely is that to happen now (not very I'd imagine)?

Just be interested to k ow the opinions of some of the regular loons

who follow up on these things more than I do

TomTomTim · 29-06-2021 2:37pm

Red Silurian wrote: »

More restrictions but a better chance to buy a house and a stronger health service... At least we would get some things we need in our country

It's beyond naïve to think that any of the current parties will give you any of the above. They are all the same, the only difference is what they call themselves.

the kelt · 29-06-2021 2:39pm

Apparently communions and confirmations were on and are now off, again.

Anyone know?

landofthetree · 29-06-2021 2:39pm

francogarbanzo wrote: »

You sure?

Of those who were fully vaccinated who caught the Delta variant, 50 died, data from Public Health England that was published on Friday indicated.

The figure represents almost half of the total 117 deaths associated with the variant in the UK, where Delta now represents most cases.

But experts said this does not undermine what we know about the efficacy of the vaccines, given that the deaths come from age groups at higher risk and represent a tiny proportion of the 92,029 Delta cases analyzed.

Eight people under the age of 50 died after getting the Delta variant, the data showed. None was fully vaccinated, while two had received one dose of the vaccine.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/vaccinated-among-delta-deaths-but-older-relatively-few-uk-data-2021-6%3famp

50 deaths out of 92k cases isnt enough to shut down so much.

Stheno · 29-06-2021 2:40pm

the kelt wrote: »

Apparently communions and confirmations were on and are now off, again.

Anyone know?

Off, sorry

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1409862191684141056?s=19

titan18 · 29-06-2021 2:41pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

A question.

Based in best guess I know......

A close friend is getting married in early August and was advised that they could have 100 at the reception.

How likely is that to happen now (not very I'd imagine)?

Just be interested to k ow the opinions of some of the regular loons who follow up on these things more than I do

I'd say no chance

eastie17 · 29-06-2021 2:41pm

RobitTV wrote: »

I'm so proud of our hero!

https://twitter.com/IrlCovid19/status/1409829349759541250

In the next chapter of the sci fi novel that we're now living in, you'll see lads with guns wearing flak jackets with NPHET on the back strolling around the place.
Some lad will be bundled into the back of an armoured vehicle, observers will say "what was that for?" someone will answer "wasnt wearing a mask, but he was caught with spray can as well defacing the Dr Tony mural"

Red Silurian · 29-06-2021 2:41pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

It's beyond naïve to think that any of the current parties will give you any of the above. They are all the same, the only difference is what they call themselves.

Probably, but at the same time I've only ever seen 2 parties in power in my lifetime and the other ones say they can fix the above... I've no proof that they won't or can't unlike the current crowd so time to think positive

Drumpot · 29-06-2021 2:43pm

delricyo wrote: »

Any clarification on cinemas and theatres? Are these going to be shut for the next 2 weeks now?

There's a few major differences between a cinema and a Pub I can think off the top of my head.

In a cinema you wont see much chatting, singing or shouting during the movie. Drinking Alcohol reduces peoples inhibitions and responsibility by default. Its not a popular fact to acknowledge, but there's a reason why we are encouraged not to do dangerous things when drinking alcohol. It is far easier to manage social distancing in cinemas aswell as people do not move around much. I have never seen a cinema toilet as busy as a toilet from a pub. And when people get Tipsey they are far more likely to be less compliant and reasonable when asked to be compliant.

In terms of why pubs are opening in Europe and not here, that's a different topic.

shockframe · 29-06-2021 2:44pm

Gareth Southgate: No leader could get it more wrong potentially today.
Michael Martin: Hold my Beer.

MOR316 · 29-06-2021 2:45pm

Drumpot wrote: »

There's a few major differences between a cinema and a Pub I can think off the top of my head.

In a cinema you wont see much chatting, singing or shouting during the movie. Drinking Alcohol reduces peoples inhibitions and responsibility by default. Its not a popular fact to acknowledge, but there's a reason why we are encouraged not to do dangerous things when drinking alcohol. It is far easier to manage social distancing in cinemas aswell as people do not move around much. I have never seen a cinema toilet as busy as a toilet from a pub. And when people get Tipsey they are far more likely to be less compliant and reasonable when asked to be compliant.

In terms of why pubs are opening in Europe and not here, that's a different topic.

MM was asked about cinemas and theatres having access only for vaccinated people.
He said they would work with the different sectors...

stephenjmcd · 29-06-2021 2:47pm

the kelt wrote: »

Apparently communions and confirmations were on and are now off, again.

Anyone know?

Yup they're part of indoor events pushed back

PaulJoseph22 · 29-06-2021 2:47pm

Are the clowns trying to encourage foreign travel in July with the vaccine passport, go on my holidays and have a drink in the pub or go into the North for a drink! Absolute farce.

titan18 · 29-06-2021 2:47pm

Drumpot wrote: »

There's a few major differences between a cinema and a Pub I can think off the top of my head.

In a cinema you wont see much chatting, singing or shouting during the movie. Drinking Alcohol reduces peoples inhibitions and responsibility by default. Its not a popular fact to acknowledge, but there's a reason why we are encouraged not to do dangerous things when drinking alcohol. It is far easier to manage social distancing in cinemas aswell as people do not move around much. I have never seen a cinema toilet as busy as a toilet from a pub. And when people get Tipsey they are far more likely to be less compliant and reasonable when asked to be compliant.

In terms of why pubs are opening in Europe and not here, that's a different topic.

Whatever about pubs, restaurants can be safer and easier to manage social distancing so why should they be discriminated against here.

landofthetree · 29-06-2021 2:47pm

Scientists in Scotland had feared that hospital cases would rise rapidly from 128 on Saturday to more than 750 by the end of July. There was a chance that nearly 2,000 people would end up in hospital by the end of next month, close to the second wave peak at the end of January.
But Scottish government forecasters have lowered estimates to 200-300 hospital cases by the end of next month.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-in-scotland-experts-say-indian-variant-will-have-less-impact-than-feared-n733vcj2k

rodge123 · 29-06-2021 2:47pm

Drumpot wrote: »

There's a few major differences between a cinema and a Pub I can think off the top of my head.

In a cinema you wont see much chatting, singing or shouting during the movie. Drinking Alcohol reduces peoples inhibitions and responsibility by default. Its not a popular fact to acknowledge, but there's a reason why we are encouraged not to do dangerous things when drinking alcohol. It is far easier to manage social distancing in cinemas aswell as people do not move around much. I have never seen a cinema toilet as busy as a toilet from a pub. And when people get Tipsey they are far more likely to be less compliant and reasonable when asked to be compliant.

In terms of why pubs are opening in Europe and not here, that's a different topic.

Newstalk reading your messages!

namloc1980 · 29-06-2021 2:48pm

It's exhausting. I laughed at some of the posters here when they said that NPHET would aggressively resist lifting of restrictions no matter how well the vax programme was going and no matter how low cases got. Not laughing any more.

TomSweeney · 29-06-2021 2:48pm

landofthetree wrote: »

Of those who were fully vaccinated who caught the Delta variant, 50 died, data from Public Health England that was published on Friday indicated.

The figure represents almost half of the total 117 deaths associated with the variant in the UK, where Delta now represents most cases.

But experts said this does not undermine what we know about the efficacy of the vaccines, given that the deaths come from age groups at higher risk and represent a tiny proportion of the 92,029 Delta cases analyzed.

Eight people under the age of 50 died after getting the Delta variant, the data showed. None was fully vaccinated, while two had received one dose of the vaccine.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/vaccinated-among-delta-deaths-but-older-relatively-few-uk-data-2021-6%3famp

50 deaths out of 92k cases isnt enough to shut down so much.

Stop it with your logical analysis of the numbers, we want the big scary graphic that is misleading and spreads fear.

Drumpot · 29-06-2021 2:48pm

rodge123 wrote: »

Newstalk reading your messages!

And agreeing with it . .

29-06-2021 2:48pm

The UK had 3 deaths yesterday, and 11 deaths previous to that.

Given we have a population 13x less, this is the equivalent of not even 1 death here - at best, a pair of arms.

The UK are 2-3 weeks ahead of us, so goes the saying, so why the the next 2-weeks considered that important here? They are consumed with the Indian variant.

The entire ruling by NPHET makes no sense at all.

29-06-2021 2:49pm

Just cancelled a long weekend in Kerry next month (€285) and a five-night stay in Donegal (€750) around the August Bank Holiday.

That's over a thousand euro - without a bite of food or a pint of stout drunk - the Government has just taken from small businesses in its jurisdiction and sent to northern Ireland instead.

This will be happening up and down the country today. The worst Taoiseach in the history of the state: a toxic combination of scared and spiteful which is going to take generations to recover from.

Saint_Mel · 29-06-2021 2:49pm

Sorry if this has been asked and answered before but whats the story with 50 at a wedding ... is that 50 at the ceremony or reception ... and can the reception/meal be indoors? I'm hugely confused Ted

muddypuppy · 29-06-2021 2:50pm

PaulJoseph22 wrote: »

Are the clowns trying to encourage foreign travel in July with the vaccine passport, go on my holidays and have a drink in the pub or go into the North for a drink! Absolute farce.

If I could bet money on foreign travel not being allowed on the 19th I would. Of course people can always just drive to the North, but at this point I'm assuming they either forget it exists or they think covid exists only south of Newry.

Richard Hillman · 29-06-2021 2:51pm

https://twitter.com/MarcMacsharryTD/status/1409850227717251073?s=19

A FF TD. It hasn't gone down well. The heave may be finally on.

johnboy1298 · 29-06-2021 2:52pm

Anyone who goes out and votes in the next election should really ask why they even bother. Politics in this country is in dire straits, a huge shake up needs to happen and get some actual leadership back into our political parties. What's happening at the moment in this country is crazy and not one person from any of the main parties even questioning it. Stuck in never ending lockdown with the debt piling up, every other country opening up and nobody in politics or mainstream media really putting the pressure on and asking why??

I honestly don't understand it at all, but the worst of it is there isn't one electable party that I'd look at and think could do better.

gozunda · 29-06-2021 2:52pm

VinLieger wrote: »

Not according to what I heard on Virgin earlier, they said 70%+ have had 1 dose.

Nope. Stephen Donnelly on RTE yesterday detailed that 41% of Ireland's adult population has been fully vaccinated, with 65% having received one dose.

It remains that with regard to protection from the Delta variant, Public Health England have detailed that one dose of any vaccine only affords 33% protection from symptomatic infection , putting extra emphasis on the need for full vaccination.

Stheno · 29-06-2021 2:52pm

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1409869483708125185?s=19

Analysis of the model

FileNotFound · 29-06-2021 2:53pm

francogarbanzo wrote: »

You sure?

When it comes to AZ and the elderly - a person aged over 80 who is fully vaccinated has the same risk as an unvaccinated under 50.

If i remember right the mess of an AZ trial was too tailored to ever get real efficacy for elderly - with their miriad of issues.

So far the info from the UK is pretty ropey - only seem to be stating 0.13% mortality rate with nobody under 50 who has been vaccinated.

opinionated3 · 29-06-2021 2:53pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MarcMacsharryTD/status/1409850227717251073?s=19

A FF TD. It hasn't gone down well. The heave may be finally on.

Erm...... He does realise he's in a government party right? No point giving out on Twitter. Do something about it!!!!!

Hurrache · 29-06-2021 2:54pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MarcMacsharryTD/status/1409850227717251073?s=19

A FF TD. It hasn't gone down well. The heave may be finally on.

The gob****e is a member of a government party. Is he going to be like that other government TD who claims to have nothing to do with anything?

titan18 · 29-06-2021 2:54pm

eskimohunt wrote: »

The UK had 3 deaths yesterday, and 11 deaths previous to that.

Given we have a population 13x less, this is the equivalent of not even 1 death here - at best, a pair of arms.

The UK are 2-3 weeks ahead of us, so goes the saying, so why the the next 2-weeks considered that important here? They are consumed with the Indian variant.

The entire ruling by NPHET makes no sense at all.

Careful now, NPHET and the media will start saying covid causes you to lose your arms.

Butson · 29-06-2021 2:55pm

A total embarrassment of a country at this stage.

Infantile nonsense.

opinionated3 · 29-06-2021 2:55pm

johnboy1298 wrote: »

Anyone who goes out and votes in the next election should really ask why they even bother. Politics in this country is in dire straits, a huge shake up needs to happen and get some actual leadership back into our political parties. What's happening at the moment in this country is crazy and not one person from any of the main parties even questioning it. Stuck in never ending lockdown with the debt piling up, every other country opening up and nobody in politics or mainstream media really putting the pressure on and asking why??

I honestly don't understand it at all, but the worst of it is there isn't one electable party that I'd look at and think could do better.

I will go to the ballot box but I'll be spoiling my vote. As someone who works in aviation as far as I'm concerned none of them are deserving of my vote.

SusanC10 · 29-06-2021 2:56pm

MOR316 wrote: »

MM was asked about cinemas and theatres having access only for vaccinated people.
He said they would work with the different sectors...

Does this mean kids (none of whom are vaccinated) can't go to the cinema?

Doctor Jimbob · 29-06-2021 2:56pm

Hurrache wrote: »

The gob****e is a member of a government party. Is he going to be like that other government TD who claims to have nothing to do with anything?

All of them?

29-06-2021 2:56pm

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1409869483708125185?s=19

Analysis of the model

Are they afraid of a chronically disfunctioning health system being exposed again.

This summer has now become a write off.

Drumpot · 29-06-2021 2:57pm

titan18 wrote: »

Whatever about pubs, restaurants can be safer and easier to manage social distancing so why should they be discriminated against here.

True but I would still class them as higher risk then cinemas. I think this is part of the confusion that has caused issues. Its not completely clear how different industries are being rated in terms of risk.

But I feel this is basically a risk assessment, the government are trying to manage opening up the economy in a manner that serves the most but keeps the risk lower while we vaccinate.

I understand publicans and owners of restaurants finding this very very hard and being extremely unhappy about it. But it makes sense when you look at it from a broad sense of what is worth a risk and what is not. People keep acting as though this is a very simple thing to manage and Ireland is the only country in the world to make mistakes or be overly cautious. People select tidbits from other countries as it suits the point they want to make, but every country is generally trying to find its own way to manage this. But equally every country is not facing the exact same issues. Every country doesn't have the same health service , so comparing like for like is wrong.

Eli1 · 29-06-2021 2:57pm

Will indoor dining in hotels continue as notmal if staying overnight?

dmakc · 29-06-2021 2:58pm

At this stage maybe it's us who should join the North and not the other way round...

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