Your New WHS Index

benny79 wrote: »

What happens with a NR? back in the old days you used to get a .1 back. So what happens now?

Lots of options on this pretty flowchart:

prawnsambo wrote: »

There are different rules for entering your score for a competition to what is submitted for handicap purposes. You're effectively asking the software to enter an incorrect hole score (or entering it yourself).

Or just asking to software to assign a score of whatever a net double bogey is for that player when calculating the average hole for each score. I can't imagine that's a complicated comp. I'd say it's just not something that they care about.

Not sure if this has been covered before so apologies in advance, but has anyone played V Par under the WHS yet ?
We had a V Par singles comp recently where I finished -1 (ie 1 down), with 5 wins and 6 losses, yet the conversion of "losses" to net double bogey results in a score that would be the equivalent of 30pts or nett 6 over par.
Is it just me or is this a pretty unfair conversion given a bogey is a loss in V Par but if you just entered the loss, as opposed to the actual score taken, you get the net double bogey conversion ? Lets say you miss a putt for a par (and a half), and don't tap it in because its a loss regardless, you seem to get credited with the double bogey. Maybe I'm missing something, I dunno, but it seemed odd that my adjusted gross showed up as 86 when realistically it was 80/81.

blue note wrote: »

Or just asking to software to assign a score of whatever a net double bogey is for that player when calculating the average hole for each score. I can't imagine that's a complicated comp. I'd say it's just not something that they care about.

From what you're saying, you want this to happen only when it's working out your average hole score?

If so, not easy at all. It would be a nightmarish job to program that into the software. Basically to take a NR and turn it into a value based on your handicap at the time when that value isn't (and can't be) stored anywhere. Shudder.

Russman wrote: »

Not sure if this has been covered before so apologies in advance, but has anyone played V Par under the WHS yet ?
We had a V Par singles comp recently where I finished -1 (ie 1 down), with 5 wins and 6 losses, yet the conversion of "losses" to net double bogey results in a score that would be the equivalent of 30pts or nett 6 over par.
Is it just me or is this a pretty unfair conversion given a bogey is a loss in V Par but if you just entered the loss, as opposed to the actual score taken, you get the net double bogey conversion ? Lets say you miss a putt for a par (and a half), and don't tap it in because its a loss regardless, you seem to get credited with the double bogey. Maybe I'm missing something, I dunno, but it seemed odd that my adjusted gross showed up as 86 when realistically it was 80/81.

The only solution to this is to finish the hole and record your score. The system can't 'guess' how many strokes you took if you didn't enter any. I know in theory, you pick up if you're at nett bogey, but there's a big difference handicap-wise between nett bogey and nett double-bogey. Say you pick up after a couple of penalty strokes without reaching the green, a nett bogey would not be a fair reflection of that hole score.

blue note wrote: »

I can't imagine it would be complicated. I'm no programmer, but if it's anything like excel it would be straightforward. The program already works out your points based on your handicap at the time anyway, so that isn't a problem. And then you could just wrap an if function into the score for each hole - to give you the 18 scores adjusted for NRs.

There's just no way that's a complicated one for a computer programmer.

Club software works off databases for speed. So you'd have to add new columns for the data that you want to keep, calculations to actually work out what that data is and also columns for historical handicaps and calculations for that as well. Just to see your average hole score?

I definitely think you should go for it in Excel. Far, far easier to just copy and paste your results into a spreadsheet, substitute all your NRs with NDBs and work away.

prawnsambo wrote: »

The only solution to this is to finish the hole and record your score. The system can't 'guess' how many strokes you took if you didn't enter any. I know in theory, you pick up if you're at nett bogey, but there's a big difference handicap-wise between nett bogey and nett double-bogey. Say you pick up after a couple of penalty strokes without reaching the green, a nett bogey would not be a fair reflection of that hole score.

Oh I totally agree the system can't guess at your score, of course not, and I suppose its ultimately swings and roundabouts in that you'll get the benefit of a net double bogey when you might have a 10. Its probably more a communication issue in the club tbh where it needs to be made clear that you have to finish out, even your losses.
Which then leads to the place of play argument, but thats for another day
Kinda makes V Par redundant in a way.

Russman wrote: »

Oh I totally agree the system can't guess at your score, of course not, and I suppose its ultimately swings and roundabouts in that you'll get the benefit of a net double bogey when you might have a 10. Its probably more a communication issue in the club tbh where it needs to be made clear that you have to finish out, even your losses.
Which then leads to the place of play argument, but thats for another day
Kinda makes V Par redundant in a way.

Well it's just to finish out if it's going to be less than NDB. Wouldn't have too much of an effect on pace of play if a lad has to take a putt where he'd normally pick up. It would be just one stroke really.

When putting a card in for general play a scratch will be registered as a NR. Because general play scores are strokes based and not stableford the club softwares are designed to show the round and hole as NR (not to be confused with “no score recorded”. It would be a pain for them to rewrite the code to have a different scoring system for normal strokes as apposed to general play.

Remember the club software does very little calculation anymore, I don’t blame them in saying let the home union work it out. In saying that I’m sure they will get round to adding a nett double bogey at some stage.

If your card has a NR for general play, Golf Ireland will adjust that to a nett double bogey for your score differential.

prawnsambo wrote: »

Well it's just to finish out if it's going to be less than NDB. Wouldn't have too much of an effect on pace of play if a lad has to take a putt where he'd normally pick up. It would be just one stroke really.

True enough. I'd guess that in my club, few if anyone actually thought it through enough to highlight it really. And I suppose, few enough will really care anyway !

Its an interesting one though, the WHS really puts the emphasis on stroke play and for a format like, for example, V Par, where the old "if you have two, take two" adage would have been true, there's a different slant to it now from a handicapping perspective as opposed to a competition of the day perspective.

eoghan104 wrote: »

Does anyone know the rule for singles matchplay? Is it the course or playing handicaps that should be used? And is it 100% of the difference?

https://static.clubhouse.golfireland.ie/clubs/1000/uploads/files/gi_whs_presentation.pdf

heres a good guide from golf ireland.

Individual matchplay 100% difference using course handicap.

It expands out

Rikand wrote: »

It expands out

RGS wrote: »

Its done on a pro rata basis.

3 cards from 9 to 11 cards
4 cards from 12 to 14 cards
5 cards from 15 or 16 cards
6 cards from 17 or 18 cards
7 cards from 19 cards
And finally 8 cards from 20.

Thanks for that lads, that makes sense. So will have a fair idea of what my form is by the time I've 12 cards gone in hopefully.

Wichita Lineman wrote: »

Since the restart my handicap has been sprinting in the wrong direction but now I've arrested the slump, gone back below the 'soft cap' and 5 of my last 6 rounds are in my counting 8 with the last 5 of the 20 being my worst rounds by far.

Sounds like me, except I have yet to arrest the slump!

DuckSlice wrote: »

I entered some casual cards the weekend for the first time. Had quite a bad day the first day, lost balls on quite a few holes which resulted in scratches.

I put down a 10 for all these holes in the app, i presume this is ok as it gets corrected or should i have gone higher than 10?

All scratches are recorded as nett double bogeys. So unless you have four shots on a par 5, you're fine.