Your New WHS Index

dan_ep82

Just to see if there is a trend at all with the new handicaps.

I know they're aren't really out yet but a few seem to have gotten them already.


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prawnsambo

Why are you hiding the results?

Ollieboy

Most people will be cut, from what I saw it was roughly 70%.

dan_ep82

prawnsambo wrote: »

Why are you hiding the results?

That was a mistake, I'll see if one of the mods will change it.

currently 1 no change and two a piece on the other

prawnsambo

Ollieboy wrote: »

Most people will be cut, from what I saw it was roughly 70%.

And I've seen the opposite. It's really apples and oranges. If you've been playing better than your handicap about a third of the time, you'll go down, worse most of the time, you'll go up.

Russman

Ollieboy wrote: »

Most people will be cut, from what I saw it was roughly 70%.

Anecdotally our H/C Sec says almost everyone (in the club) has gone up by 1 or 2 shots, with bigger variations in the higher handicaps. Monday will tell all I guess.

Ollieboy

prawnsambo wrote: »

And I've seen the opposite. It's really apples and oranges. If you've been playing better than your handicap about a third of the time, you'll go down, worse most of the time, you'll go up.

The sample size I used was nearly a 1000 members but what I think will be more interesting is how it affects inter club golf. The slope rating might be a big problem for some clubs.

I personally went down and I’ve played horrible golf for the last two years.

Allowing people to record casual golf is just wrong and there is no restrictions on how many times the same person signs your card. I would have placed 2 on it. I’ve found most people down or stayed the same roughly. Biggest cut Was about 7, It was really interesting to see how the low golfer h/cap changed. I reckon a lot of them will not be happy.

thewobbler

Ollieboy wrote: »

The sample size I used was nearly a 1000 members but what I think will be more interesting is how it affects inter club golf. The slope rating might be a big problem for some clubs.

I personally went down and I’ve played horrible golf for the last two years.

Allowing people to record casual golf is just wrong and there is no restrictions on how many times the same person signs your card. I would have placed 2 on it. I’ve found most people down or stayed the same roughly. Biggest cut Was about 7, It was really interesting to see how the low golfer h/cap changed. I reckon a lot of them will not be happy.

Is anybody ever happy with their handicap ?

prawnsambo

Russman wrote: »

Anecdotally our H/C Sec says almost everyone (in the club) has gone up by 1 or 2 shots, with bigger variations in the higher handicaps. Monday will tell all I guess.

Just ran another comparison on ours since the PCC was added and the new handicaps are pretty close to CONGU. Majority are in the +/- 1 territory. And that's in comparison with their exact CONGU handicap. Playing handicap would be the same in many of those as they are small decimals in the difference. As Ollieboy says above, biggest variances are with the higher handicaps. And there are only a handful of those.

copacetic

Ollieboy wrote: »

The sample size I used was nearly a 1000 members but what I think will be more interesting is how it affects inter club golf. The slope rating might be a big problem for some clubs.

I personally went down and I’ve played horrible golf for the last two years.

Allowing people to record casual golf is just wrong and there is no restrictions on how many times the same person signs your card. I would have placed 2 on it. I’ve found most people down or stayed the same roughly. Biggest cut Was about 7, It was really interesting to see how the low golfer h/cap changed. I reckon a lot of them will not be happy.

I presume there are at least a few who get shots back?!

irish bloke

i hope I get cut really low so I cat beat my chest and say "look at me Im a single figure handicap golfer":)

irish bloke

Any cut below your current HC should be viewed as a good thing meaning your playing good golf and long may it last....

Rikand

Russman wrote: »

Anecdotally our H/C Sec says almost everyone (in the club) has gone up by 1 or 2 shots, with bigger variations in the higher handicaps. Monday will tell all I guess.

From looking at the list I saw for my club, at least 60-70% have gained shots. My own exact is increasing by 1.2

jams100

For me:
Out of last 15 rounds my best 8 average = 36 points. I was playing off 7, I presume I'll still be off 7 or maybe back to 6 again 🙂

Do fourballs etc. effect your handicap when calculating? Also going forward will they effect your h/c?

I agree re casual golf counting, I know alot of people that will abuse that, surely there's something to stop people abusing the new system?

dan_ep82

Rikand wrote: »

From looking at the list I saw for my club, at least 60-70% have gained shots. My own exact is increasing by 1.2

Whats your home course rating?

Just wondering if harder courses are getting shots back and easier losing.

prawnsambo

jams100 wrote: »

For me:
Out of last 15 rounds my best 8 average = 36 points. I was playing off 7, I presume I'll still be off 7 or maybe back to 6 again ��

Do fourballs etc. effect your handicap when calculating? Also going forward will they effect your h/c?

I agree re casual golf counting, I know alot of people that will abuse that, surely there's something to stop people abusing the new system?

It's not that easy to abuse. Firstly it has to be declared before you go out and it still has to be played with a marker. Also (and a lot of people don't seem to know this) you MUST play from the permanent tee markers and not the movable ones. Same as an initial handicap allocation card really. And if you're trying to manipulate your handicap index, you'll have to put in a lot of these, which would be very unusual and raise a lot of questions for the handicap committee to ask.

prawnsambo

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Whats your home course rating?

Just wondering if harder courses are getting shots back and easier losing.

That would only come into the equation if you're also playing a few 'easier' courses and scoring better as a result. I'm not at all sure that this exercise will actually prove anything tbh. If you consider that the CONGU system was designed in such a way that you would be playing in or around your handicap one third of the time, then WHS will pretty much give you the same handicap if your recent rounds reflect that. The differences will be slight enough if you're mostly buffering in those rounds, or have a couple of cuts and the rest buffers. Those who gain shots will have been mainly getting 0.1s with a few buffers at best.

In other words, if you've been playing like a drain, you'll gain shots.

slingerz

A lad in my place has only been outside the buffer ~5 times since the first lockdown. And he’s playing twice a week. Interested to see what his HI is going to be

Rikand

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Whats your home course rating?

Just wondering if harder courses are getting shots back and easier losing.

White tees which we play 90% of the time in Athlone

Slope :: 125
CR :: 72.2
Par :: 72

Its a course that plays tough for a lot of people a lot of the time. A lot of members who are getting shots back would easily have been reaching their quota of 1 shot back every year and would have been pushing their 2 shot quota if it still existed

Rikand

I suppose members are getting back to a handicap that the 2 shot back system would have sorted out by itself if it had been left in

kieran.

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paulos53

I logged in just there and I am down 1 shot from 11.9 to 10.9


However my 3 most recent scores are missing so that should reduce it further to 10.5

prawnsambo

kieran. wrote: »

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Thanks


Just to add that the long string isn't required. https://www.golfireland.ie/signup will get you there.

Strawberry HillBilly

Just reviewed mine...drop of 4 shots off 18 based on 1 counting round with 34 points.....doesn’t seem right at all �� frowny face

macslash

Rikand wrote: »

From looking at the list I saw for my club, at least 60-70% have gained shots. My own exact is increasing by 1.2

How are you seeing what other members got cut to?

prawnsambo

Strawberry HillBilly wrote: »

Just reviewed mine...drop of 4 shots off 18 based on 1 counting round with 34 points.....doesn’t seem right at all �� frowny face

Is it four shots or is that just the difference between your handicap index and your current CONGU handicap? Because if it is, the calculation for course handicap is HI * SR/113

SR is the Slope Rating for the tees you normally play at your club. Unless the slope rating is less than 113, your course handicap will be higher than your index

macslash

prawnsambo wrote: »

Is it four shots or is that just the difference between your handicap index and your current CONGU handicap? Because if it is, the calculation for course handicap is HI * SR/113

SR is the Slope Rating for the tees you normally play at your club. Unless the slope rating is less than 113, your course handicap will be higher than your index

Where can you find the slope rating for a course?

copacetic

kieran. wrote: »

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Thanks for that, tried to sign up 15 mins ago, still haven’t got verification email. Doesn’t bode well for their switchover.

prawnsambo

macslash wrote: »

Where can you find the slope rating for a course?

http://ncrdb.usga.org is one of the databases. Choose Ireland as the country and just put in the first few letters of your club's name.

jams100

My handicap before new system = 6.7
After = 6.6

Will winter comps count towards your handicap now? Especially if they are 9 hole comps over winter?

jams100

copacetic wrote: »

Thanks for that, tried to sign up 15 mins ago, still haven’t got verification email. Doesn’t bode well for their switchover.

Same took about 15 mins to receive verification email

Strawberry HillBilly

prawnsambo wrote: »

Is it four shots or is that just the difference between your handicap index and your current CONGU handicap? Because if it is, the calculation for course handicap is HI * SR/113

SR is the Slope Rating for the tees you normally play at your club. Unless the slope rating is less than 113, your course handicap will be higher than your index

HI*SR/113 =16.8 for me and my club.... I am playing off (CONGU System) 18 handicap but my only score counting is 34points ....so closer to 20 handicap (my non counting scores I.e. 3 others would indicate HI of 18+ ?

I’ve contacted HC secretary to review. He has confirmed there are some significant anomaly’s being looked into....hoping mine is one of them

macslash

prawnsambo wrote: »

Is it four shots or is that just the difference between your handicap index and your current CONGU handicap? Because if it is, the calculation for course handicap is HI * SR/113

SR is the Slope Rating for the tees you normally play at your club. Unless the slope rating is less than 113, your course handicap will be higher than your index

Am I right in saying so that the HI given on Golf Ireland isn't what I'll actually be playing off but instead it'll be
it × Sr/113. That's what has to be calculated before each round? If so, I wonder do most golfers know that or would they think that number on golf Ireland is it what will be used.

IAmTitleist

The link in my verification email just brings me to the golf Ireland login page.

Can’t request another email.

So that’s good.

fred funk }{

IAmTitleist wrote: »

The link in my verification email just brings me to the golf Ireland login page.

Can’t request another email.

So that’s good.

How many times did you click on the resend email tab initially? Mine only worked when I clicked on the final email they sent me. It then said email confirmed when it opened.

IAmTitleist

fred funk }{ wrote: »

How many times did you click on the resend email tab initially? Mine only worked when I clicked on the final email they sent me. It then said email confirmed when it opened.

I did click on resend email once.

Received the first email about 25 mins ago.

Will just have to wait patiently on the second email coming through I guess!

fred funk }{

IAmTitleist wrote: »

I did click on resend email once.

Received the first email about 25 mins ago.

Will just have to wait patiently on the second email coming through I guess!

Not saying it'll definitely work for you but it did for me.

BigChap1759

I'm having similar issues with Golf Ireland

prawnsambo

Since this isn't supposed to be rolled out to members until Monday, I suspect that the url escaped rather than was released. So I'd expect lots of issues as they are probably in testing mode at the moment.

Strawberry HillBilly

macslash wrote: »

Am I right in saying so that the HI given on Golf Ireland isn't what I'll actually be playing off but instead it'll be
it × Sr/113. That's what has to be calculated before each round? If so, I wonder do most golfers know that or would they think that number on golf Ireland is it what will be used.

Based on the conversations I’ve had today with golfers the HI is their new handicap. The SR/113 calculation or the 95% limit for comps is not understood as yet.

prawnsambo

Strawberry HillBilly wrote: »

Based on the conversations I’ve had today with golfers the HI is their new handicap. The SR/113 calculation or the 95% limit for comps is not understood as yet.

Conversion tables were sent out to clubs a few weeks ago. What did they think they were? Wallpaper?

Strawberry HillBilly

Never even been published by our club to the best of my knowledge . To be fair they were beginning an education program about 3 weeks ago and I’m sure would have got everything published for members to understand ahead of implementation.....but you know.....lockdown etc.

higster

So sept HC was 24.2 (got cut to 23 in Oct)
WHS HC index 20.2 (no Oct data yet).
Using slope/course ratings calculator from club and tees normally play get a handicap of 21 (24 for blue/back tees that I never even look at)

Agree for a start a lot of people (myself included until went though this thread and the “ New Worldwide Handicap System” thread) will assume HC index = their HC but in fairness reading back on mails from club it is all there...but laziness kicks in until actually becomes urgent/important vs not urgent/important.

Rikand

macslash wrote: »

How are you seeing what other members got cut to?

Our handicap secretary issued out a PDF of all new handicaps a week ago. I just compared with the list we had on our noticeboard of the old handicaps.

As it works out, there was a readjustment this morning issued and the initial estimates have been pulled back in. On the whole actually, there seems to be more reductions than increases now. Although mine still increased, but by only 0.5, instead of 1.2

prawnsambo

Rikand wrote: »

Our handicap secretary issued out a PDF of all new handicaps a week ago. I just compared with the list we had on our noticeboard of the old handicaps.

As it works out, there was a readjustment this morning issued and the initial estimates have been pulled back in. On the whole actually, there seems to be more reductions than increases now. Although mine still increased, but by only 0.5, instead of 1.2

Yeah. PCC was added in on Friday I think. Mostly bringing handicaps down.

Seve OB

i'll hold off on voting till mine is updated with missing scores
but likely to go up by a shot at least

Mushy

Was 11.7, index is now 9.6. Had done own calculations and had 9.7, so not far off

swededmonkey

I've gone up from 14.6 to 16.4. I had my calculations coming in at 14.0 but that was factoring scores where I got a clause adjustment applied to my handicap for cuts in non qualifying when we came out of lockdown.

Before its queried, I shot 40 points twice in 3 days, all cards were marked and the handicap committee agreed to consider my cards for a cut at my request

almostover

I've gone up from 8.1 to 9.0, a little disappointed as I had a good year going from 12 to 8 and being beaten on count back for golfer of the year. Our course slope is lowish at 119 so guessing many people went up a little.

Mantis Toboggan

I've had a decent increase, gone from 13 to 17.

jams100

So can you now get cut for a fourball or for winter golf?