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First olympic transgender athlete to compete at Tokyo 2020 **MOD NOTE IN OP**

  • 21-06-2021 8:17pm
    #1
    Markus Antonius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Laurel Hubbard, the first olympic transgender athlete will represent New Zealand in weightlifting.




    Good to see we're taking baby steps...



    Mod Note - Please stick to the topic of the thread, this is not a replacement for the Gender Identity thread which is still under mod review.

    In addition, a reminder re pronouns and misgendering. Cards/bans will be handed out for breaching this
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    We're asking for you to have the absolute minimum of respect for any trans person in addressing them or referring to them in the way they have indicated that they prefer or else in a gender neutral manner. This policy is an extension of the 'don't be a dick' rule and is unlikely to change.

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  • #2
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Here we go 🍿


  • #3
    nj27
    Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    If you are all set to belay I will be glad. I am going up Denali shortly.


  • #4
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Nuts.


  • #5
    touts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    First Gold Medal of the Olympics to New Zealand so...


  • #6
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    This is not new news.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=117129297


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  • #7
    Donny Patterson
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭Donny Patterson


    Your youtube channel is gonna get loads of views.


  • #8
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Thread close in 3, 2, 1...


  • #9
    Bobblehats
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    That’s the most comfortable looking fence ever!


  • #10
    wpd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭wpd


    delighted for Laurel and to New Zealand on their probable gold

    expect to see lots more of this in years to come especially as most countries fund
    olympic qualified athletes


  • #11
    Vestiapx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭Vestiapx


    Yer wan Jenner was an Olympic athlete iirc?


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  • #12
    Markus Antonius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    This is not new news.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=117129297

    I'll happily have it moved to current affairs rather than closed like that thread


  • #13
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,698 ✭✭✭Feisar


    How can someone stand on a podium and accept a medal like this? It’s not a victory, it’s a joke.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #14
    beerguts
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭beerguts


    I actually hope the person wins. Just to see the ultra woke try to square how they support a transgender person breaking down barriers while at the same time bemoaning the patriarchy for preventing a biological woman from winning a gold medal.

    Should be good **** and giggles


  • #15
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,698 ✭✭✭Feisar


    beerguts wrote: »
    I actually hope the person wins. Just to see the ultra woke try to square how they support a transgender person breaking down barriers while at the same time bemoaning the patriarchy for preventing a biological woman from winning a gold medal.

    Should be good **** and giggles

    It’s gold they’ll be winning alright, from the mental gymnastics

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #16
    Markus Antonius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Just goes to show though that even in the world of 'equality', gender quotas and 'positive discrimination' - men will still win in the end.


  • #17
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone who deems themselves feminist wouldn't throw under the bus those women who don't think this is fair. But plenty of those self appointed "feminists" do just that.


  • #18
    AllGunsBlazing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    pfft ..The former Eastern bloc countries were blazing this trail decades ago.


  • #19
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Vestiapx wrote: »
    Yer wan Jenner was an Olympic athlete iirc?

    As a man.


  • #20
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,698 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Lurleen wrote: »
    Anyone who deems themselves feminist wouldn't throw under the bus those women who don't think this is fair. But plenty of those self appointed "feminists" do just that.

    It’s funny, performance enhancing drugs are banned but this athlete gets all the benefits of puberty, strength/bone density/better recovery etc etc and that for some reason is a level playing field? And there’s no point in arguing that she doesn’t have the testosterone levels now, them benefits don’t disappear. To use the performance enhancing drugs analogy again, one can use them, train like a lunatic, come off, test clean and keep 90% of the benefits.
    Why the need to be so woke? Can’t sport just say, “yes you are female now but we’re born male and got the advantage of puberty so it’s the male pool for you”.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #21
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭emo72


    Would it not be fairest to compete in transgender only competition?


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  • #22
    Markus Antonius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Feisar wrote: »
    It’s funny, performance enhancing drugs are banned but this athlete gets all the benefits of puberty, strength/bone density/better recovery etc etc and that for some reason is a level playing field? And there’s no point in arguing that she doesn’t have the testosterone levels now, them benefits don’t disappear. To use the performance enhancing drugs analogy again, one can use them, train like a lunatic, come off, test clean and keep 90% of the benefits.
    Why the need to be so woke? Can’t sport just say, “yes you are female now but we’re born male and got the advantage of puberty so it’s the male pool for you”.

    Testosterone and peneses and all that are not gender specific anymore is why


  • #23
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke


  • #24
    Bobblehats
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Not fanny.


  • #25
    Stihl waters
    Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Stihl waters


    He could do with shaving his armpits if hes going to be acting like a woman


  • #26
    85603
    Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    Oh well..

    Olympics


  • #27
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The best suggestion I saw all day was for a transgender games.

    I'm not going to rant because it's of little value, but there's simply no circumstances where entering a person born with male physiology in a competition for people of female physiology can be fair or equitable or in compliance with the Olympic ideal.


  • #28
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    What happens when a male to female boxer who transitioned at age 28 fights a cis gender woman?


  • #29
    Hercule Poirot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Hercule Poirot


    If this was something like archery, where the discipline is more weighted towards skill then I don't think anyone would have an issue with it.

    But weightlifting? Seriously?


  • #30
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭emo72


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What happens when a male to female boxer who transitioned at age 28 fights a cis gender woman?

    We all know what will happen. But it's easier to put your head in the sand than speak out against it.


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  • #31
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The gold medal is far from guaranteed for New Zealand.



  • #32
    buried
    Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    She'll win f**k all. WOKES can't compete with the age old Olympic tradition of hardcore performance enhancing DRUGS.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • #33
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What happens when a male to female boxer who transitioned at age 28 fights a cis gender woman?

    I look forward to watching the fallout immensely...

    A 6ft 2 rangy middle weight guy, now identifies as a female .... enters the ring to fight an... ‘actual female’... 5’ 10... same weight division...


  • #34
    Airyfairy12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Airyfairy12


    Women's sport will be eradicated soon enough as this continues. Clearly its now equality and inclusion to exclude biological women and replace them with trans women.


  • #35
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Thread does not belong in After Hours, moved to CA

    Moderator: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender, Vegan & Vegetarian

    Category Moderator: Social & Fun



  • #36
    Tilden Katz
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Tilden Katz


    What a heroine. :rolleyes:

    In previous competitions, Hubbard (offspring of a millionaire) displaced athletes from disadvantaged backgrounds.


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  • #37
    Tilden Katz
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Tilden Katz


    AllGunsBlazing wrote: »
    pfft ..The former Eastern bloc countries were blazing this trail decades ago.

    The East German athletes were female at least albeit trying to emulate male traits.


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What happens when a male to female boxer who transitioned at age 28 fights a cis gender woman?

    Ye support it or else you're a transphobe.


  • #39
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    I feel very sorry for the woman who missed out on a place at the Olympics because of this.

    Who has probably trained for years and will now miss out. Seems very unfair to me.


  • #40
    Tilden Katz
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Tilden Katz


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    I feel very sorry for the woman who missed out on a place at the Olympics because of this.

    Who has probably trained for years and will now miss out. Seems very unfair to me.

    And it seems on this topic, sport is conveniently either important or unimportant depending on what’s being argued. It’s important when a transgender person wants to feel included. But when it’s mentioned that a woman has to be displaced to make that happen, suddenly the attitude is “Sure, it’s just sport. Who cares?”.


  • #41
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    It won't go down well in Japan. Especially with there only being local fans at events.

    Pundits will be on eggshells. Anyone that criticizes it will be culled.


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  • #42
    Tilden Katz
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Tilden Katz


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    It won't go down well in Japan. Especially with there only being local fans at events.

    Pundits will be on eggshells. Anyone that criticizes it will be culled.

    Pundits and commentators should study how the East German athletes of the ‘70s and ‘80s were spoken about.


  • #43
    Hego Damask
    Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    Feisar wrote: »
    How can someone stand on a podium and accept a medal like this? It’s not a victory, it’s a joke.

    That sounds like far right bigotry talk to me.

    A pride mobile has been despatched to your house - re education awaits you!


  • #44
    Jimbob1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    South Park had this exact plot a few years ago.

    Heather Swanson (a parody of Randy "The Macho Man" Savage from WWF) parachuted himself into women's decathlon competition and destroyed the competitors.

    Due to political correctness, the women had to express their support for Heather's inclusion.

    The whole situation is absurd. A top-class male is stronger and faster than a top-class female.


  • #45
    Hego Damask
    Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    I feel very sorry for the woman who missed out on a place at the Olympics because of this.

    Who has probably trained for years and will now miss out. Seems very unfair to me.

    And the woman that gets silver, robbed of a gold ..


  • #46
    Hego Damask
    Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    https://twitter.com/patcondell/status/1406909967114903554?s=20

    This guy always says it as it is ...


  • #47
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Hercule Poirot wrote: »
    If this was something like archery, where the discipline is more weighted towards skill then I don't think anyone would have an issue with it.

    But weightlifting? Seriously?

    It may not seem like it but strength is a very big part of archery.


  • #48
    Tilden Katz
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Tilden Katz


    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    South Park had this exact plot a few years ago.

    Heather Swanson (a parody of Randy "The Macho Man" Savage from WWF) parachuted himself into women's decathlon competition and destroyed the competitors.

    Due to political correctness, the women had to express their support for Heather's inclusion.

    The whole situation is absurd. A top-class male is stronger and faster than a top-class female.

    Well, that’s the thing. Hubbard isn’t exactly top class. And has qualified at far older an age than anyone else in the history of the event. I believe the previous oldest was 35.


  • #49
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,416 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Hopefully they win 25 medals and end this.


  • #50
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Tilden Katz wrote: »
    Well, that’s the thing. Hubbard isn’t exactly top class. And has qualified at far older an age than anyone else in the history of the event. I believe the previous oldest was 35.

    And how did Hubbard achieve this extraordinary feat?


  • #51
    Vestiapx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭Vestiapx


    YFlyer wrote: »
    As a man.

    Yes and she's a woman. So she is the first transgender Olympic athlete.


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