First olympic transgender athlete to compete at Tokyo 2020 **MOD NOTE IN OP**

Markus Antonius

Laurel Hubbard, the first olympic transgender athlete will represent New Zealand in weightlifting.

Good to see we're taking baby steps...



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MrMusician18

Here we go 🍿

nj27

If you are all set to belay I will be glad. I am going up Denali shortly.

humberklog

Nuts.

touts

First Gold Medal of the Olympics to New Zealand so...

dxhound2005

This is not new news.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=117129297

Donny Patterson

Your youtube channel is gonna get loads of views.

whisky_galore

Thread close in 3, 2, 1...

Bobblehats

That’s the most comfortable looking fence ever!

wpd

delighted for Laurel and to New Zealand on their probable gold

expect to see lots more of this in years to come especially as most countries fund
olympic qualified athletes

Vestiapx

Yer wan Jenner was an Olympic athlete iirc?

Markus Antonius

dxhound2005 wrote: »

This is not new news.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=117129297

I'll happily have it moved to current affairs rather than closed like that thread

Feisar

How can someone stand on a podium and accept a medal like this? It’s not a victory, it’s a joke.

beerguts

I actually hope the person wins. Just to see the ultra woke try to square how they support a transgender person breaking down barriers while at the same time bemoaning the patriarchy for preventing a biological woman from winning a gold medal.

Should be good **** and giggles

Feisar

beerguts wrote: »

I actually hope the person wins. Just to see the ultra woke try to square how they support a transgender person breaking down barriers while at the same time bemoaning the patriarchy for preventing a biological woman from winning a gold medal.

Should be good **** and giggles

It’s gold they’ll be winning alright, from the mental gymnastics

Markus Antonius

Just goes to show though that even in the world of 'equality', gender quotas and 'positive discrimination' - men will still win in the end.

Anyone who deems themselves feminist wouldn't throw under the bus those women who don't think this is fair. But plenty of those self appointed "feminists" do just that.

AllGunsBlazing

pfft ..The former Eastern bloc countries were blazing this trail decades ago.

YFlyer

Vestiapx wrote: »

Yer wan Jenner was an Olympic athlete iirc?

As a man.

Feisar

Lurleen wrote: »

Anyone who deems themselves feminist wouldn't throw under the bus those women who don't think this is fair. But plenty of those self appointed "feminists" do just that.

It’s funny, performance enhancing drugs are banned but this athlete gets all the benefits of puberty, strength/bone density/better recovery etc etc and that for some reason is a level playing field? And there’s no point in arguing that she doesn’t have the testosterone levels now, them benefits don’t disappear. To use the performance enhancing drugs analogy again, one can use them, train like a lunatic, come off, test clean and keep 90% of the benefits.
Why the need to be so woke? Can’t sport just say, “yes you are female now but we’re born male and got the advantage of puberty so it’s the male pool for you”.

emo72

Would it not be fairest to compete in transgender only competition?

Markus Antonius

Feisar wrote: »

It’s funny, performance enhancing drugs are banned but this athlete gets all the benefits of puberty, strength/bone density/better recovery etc etc and that for some reason is a level playing field? And there’s no point in arguing that she doesn’t have the testosterone levels now, them benefits don’t disappear. To use the performance enhancing drugs analogy again, one can use them, train like a lunatic, come off, test clean and keep 90% of the benefits.
Why the need to be so woke? Can’t sport just say, “yes you are female now but we’re born male and got the advantage of puberty so it’s the male pool for you”.

Testosterone and peneses and all that are not gender specific anymore is why

alan partridge aha

Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke

Bobblehats

Not fanny.

Stihl waters

He could do with shaving his armpits if hes going to be acting like a woman

85603

Oh well..

Olympics

Larbre34

The best suggestion I saw all day was for a transgender games.

I'm not going to rant because it's of little value, but there's simply no circumstances where entering a person born with male physiology in a competition for people of female physiology can be fair or equitable or in compliance with the Olympic ideal.

What happens when a male to female boxer who transitioned at age 28 fights a cis gender woman?

Hercule Poirot

If this was something like archery, where the discipline is more weighted towards skill then I don't think anyone would have an issue with it.

But weightlifting? Seriously?

emo72

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What happens when a male to female boxer who transitioned at age 28 fights a cis gender woman?

We all know what will happen. But it's easier to put your head in the sand than speak out against it.

dxhound2005

The gold medal is far from guaranteed for New Zealand.

buried

She'll win f**k all. WOKES can't compete with the age old Olympic tradition of hardcore performance enhancing DRUGS.

Strumms

Deleted User wrote: »

What happens when a male to female boxer who transitioned at age 28 fights a cis gender woman?

I look forward to watching the fallout immensely...

A 6ft 2 rangy middle weight guy, now identifies as a female .... enters the ring to fight an... ‘actual female’... 5’ 10... same weight division...

Airyfairy12

Women's sport will be eradicated soon enough as this continues. Clearly its now equality and inclusion to exclude biological women and replace them with trans women.

Ten of Swords

Thread does not belong in After Hours, moved to CA

Tilden Katz

What a heroine. :rolleyes:

In previous competitions, Hubbard (offspring of a millionaire) displaced athletes from disadvantaged backgrounds.

Tilden Katz

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

pfft ..The former Eastern bloc countries were blazing this trail decades ago.

The East German athletes were female at least albeit trying to emulate male traits.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What happens when a male to female boxer who transitioned at age 28 fights a cis gender woman?

Ye support it or else you're a transphobe.

jam_mac_jam

I feel very sorry for the woman who missed out on a place at the Olympics because of this.

Who has probably trained for years and will now miss out. Seems very unfair to me.

Tilden Katz

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I feel very sorry for the woman who missed out on a place at the Olympics because of this.

Who has probably trained for years and will now miss out. Seems very unfair to me.

And it seems on this topic, sport is conveniently either important or unimportant depending on what’s being argued. It’s important when a transgender person wants to feel included. But when it’s mentioned that a woman has to be displaced to make that happen, suddenly the attitude is “Sure, it’s just sport. Who cares?”.

Richard Hillman

It won't go down well in Japan. Especially with there only being local fans at events.

Pundits will be on eggshells. Anyone that criticizes it will be culled.

Tilden Katz

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It won't go down well in Japan. Especially with there only being local fans at events.

Pundits will be on eggshells. Anyone that criticizes it will be culled.

Pundits and commentators should study how the East German athletes of the ‘70s and ‘80s were spoken about.

Hego Damask

Feisar wrote: »

How can someone stand on a podium and accept a medal like this? It’s not a victory, it’s a joke.

That sounds like far right bigotry talk to me.

A pride mobile has been despatched to your house - re education awaits you!

Jimbob1977

South Park had this exact plot a few years ago.

Heather Swanson (a parody of Randy "The Macho Man" Savage from WWF) parachuted himself into women's decathlon competition and destroyed the competitors.

Due to political correctness, the women had to express their support for Heather's inclusion.

The whole situation is absurd. A top-class male is stronger and faster than a top-class female.

Hego Damask

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I feel very sorry for the woman who missed out on a place at the Olympics because of this.

Who has probably trained for years and will now miss out. Seems very unfair to me.

And the woman that gets silver, robbed of a gold ..

Hego Damask

https://twitter.com/patcondell/status/1406909967114903554?s=20

This guy always says it as it is ...

astrofool

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

If this was something like archery, where the discipline is more weighted towards skill then I don't think anyone would have an issue with it.

But weightlifting? Seriously?

It may not seem like it but strength is a very big part of archery.

Tilden Katz

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

South Park had this exact plot a few years ago.

Heather Swanson (a parody of Randy "The Macho Man" Savage from WWF) parachuted himself into women's decathlon competition and destroyed the competitors.

Due to political correctness, the women had to express their support for Heather's inclusion.

The whole situation is absurd. A top-class male is stronger and faster than a top-class female.

Well, that’s the thing. Hubbard isn’t exactly top class. And has qualified at far older an age than anyone else in the history of the event. I believe the previous oldest was 35.

Atlantic Dawn

Hopefully they win 25 medals and end this.

suicide_circus

Tilden Katz wrote: »

Well, that’s the thing. Hubbard isn’t exactly top class. And has qualified at far older an age than anyone else in the history of the event. I believe the previous oldest was 35.

And how did Hubbard achieve this extraordinary feat?

Vestiapx

YFlyer wrote: »

As a man.

Yes and she's a woman. So she is the first transgender Olympic athlete.