VW ID.3

DrPhilG · 15-06-2021 05:02PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't think they'll mess you about.

Unless they're complete ****ing thickos like mine.

eagerv · 15-06-2021 05:04PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

Ready to blow the stack...

Just dug up the commission number from a quotation email from a while back. Entered it onto the VW website and up popped the ID3 in my colour.

But, no VIN number. From what I understand it was to be built this week and once built the VIN would show up.

Next I clicked on vehicle details, and it's a Tour 5 not a Tour.

Sorry to hear DrPhilG.

I would give them hell, but probably only wasting your time and energy.
Do you have anything in writing re your order? Not that it probably makes much difference anyway.

I see the Tour 5 is cheaper than the Tour. If they gave you a better price than the difference, would you consider the Tour 5? I know spec is not as good, but it's not exactly poverty spec.

15-06-2021 05:10PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

Unless they're complete ****ing thickos like mine.

True but at least I have it on my bank statement.

Was tour or tour 5 on the quotation form the dealer gave you ?

Where did you get that number again to check the status of the build ?

eagerv · 15-06-2021 06:08PM

KCross wrote: »

How are you all doing on tyres?

I've over 10k km done but the rears are at 2mm already! :eek:

Fronts are just shy of 4mm.

I've the Bridgestone Turanza ECO 18". These ones
They are well rated (A fuel and B grip) but obviously soft.

How are the rest of you doing? Not sure I'll get the same tyres if they disappear after 10k km.

eagerv wrote: »

Just checked mine this morning. Almost 12k km.

Front 8mm. Rear 7mm. Goodyear 18" Efficient grip Performance.

Bought a tyre thread gauge today, my trusted bolt, finger nail and ruler was out by 1mm..:)
Front 7mm, Rear 6mm.

DrPhilG · 15-06-2021 06:32PM

eagerv wrote: »

I see the Tour 5 is cheaper than the Tour. If they gave you a better price than the difference, would you consider the Tour 5? I know spec is not as good, but it's not exactly poverty spec.

No. I went for the Tour specifically because of the spec.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was tour or tour 5 on the quotation form the dealer gave you ?

Where did you get that number again to check the status of the build ?

Quotation said Tour. But the dealer had already ordered the car without attaching a name, then added my name to it later.

In theory this should have meant I'd get my car in great time. In reality, he's a imbecile.

the_amazing_raisin · 15-06-2021 06:53PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

No. I went for the Tour specifically because of the spec.

Quotation said Tour. But the dealer had already ordered the car without attaching a name, then added my name to it later.

In theory this should have meant I'd get my car in great time. In reality, he's a imbecile.

I think as someone mentioned earlier you should see if they'll give you the Tour 5 until your Tour is delivered. It's not like they're going to be left with an unsellable car at the end, the demand is through the roof

Also they should give you a discount or a far better trade in on your i3 so you're not stuck car less waiting for the new car

If they start getting shirty just dig your heels in and demand your deposit back

DrPhilG · 15-06-2021 07:14PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I think as someone mentioned earlier you should see if they'll give you the Tour 5 until your Tour is delivered. It's not like they're going to be left with an unsellable car at the end, the demand is through the roof

I'll give them that option. I would have thought they could just cancel though, as you say demand is high so VW would let them give it up to someone else.

Plus even if they accept that, I'm left with probably an October reg 212 instead of a July one which will have a knock on effect on value.

the_amazing_raisin · 15-06-2021 07:50PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

I'll give them that option. I would have thought they could just cancel though, as you say demand is high so VW would let them give it up to someone else.

Plus even if they accept that, I'm left with probably an October reg 212 instead of a July one which will have a knock on effect on value.

Oh don't worry, I can almost guaruntee they'll push it back to Jan 2022

VW have stopped giving ID cars as company cars because they're struggling to meet demand. I think they're falling short of parts like everyone else

DrPhilG · 15-06-2021 07:57PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Oh don't worry, I can almost guaruntee they'll push it back to Jan 2022

Yes but that's exactly what I don't want.

I don't particularly want an October reg car, but nor do I want to wait another 6 months worth of depreciation on the i3.

Black_Knight · 15-06-2021 11:45PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

Yes but that's exactly what I don't want.

I don't particularly want an October reg car, but nor do I want to wait another 6 months worth of depreciation on the i3.

Hmmmm. If you had a trade price from them on the i3 you could dig your heels in and demand they honour that as compensation. Or, as others have said make them give you a loaner tour 5 until they fix their cock up.
Basically beyond July you're unnecessary losing money on your i3 (depreciation) because of them. Or beyond July you're not in a new car because of them. See which of those scenarios they can fix. It'll be neither, but see what they can do.

DrPhilG · 15-06-2021 11:53PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

Hmmmm. If you had a trade price from them on the i3 you could dig your heels in and demand they honour that as compensation. Or, as others have said make them give you a loaner tour 5 until they fix their cock up.
Basically beyond July you're unnecessary losing money on your i3 (depreciation) because of them. Or beyond July you're not in a new car because of them. See which of those scenarios they can fix. It'll be neither, but see what they can do.

Their trade in price for the i3 was sh*te anyway, it was going to be a private sale and then cash deposit.

DrPhilG · 16-06-2021 12:10AM

KCross wrote: »

Has the dealer confirmed that it’s too late to fix the order? Presumably the car hasn’t been built.

Can they fix the paperwork and get the right car made?

Nope. Once the order gets a confirmed production date they can't be amended even though its not yet actually been built. Seems ludicrous but that's what they're telling me.

I've drafted a lengthy email highlighting:

* this is not just an unavoidable delay due to supply issues or something else beyond their control, it is simply a user error by them. A good old fashioned **** up.

* it's not just an inconvenience, it is going to cost me actual money due to not being able to sell my car on schedule, resulting in additional depreciation, plus I'd be getting a mid/late 212 car instead of a July 212.

* I've spoken to people in the UK who had dealers who fought for them and managed to get cars (including Tour) from the port in Germany within 3 weeks. If my dealer is prepared to fight for it, I don't see why they can't achieve similar. Sadly I expect that they'll check VW Ireland stock and if nothing pops up they'll just shrug their shoulders and say nothing is available.

* If they can't deliver in July, then they should be making an effort to compensate me for the above mentioned financial loss. In other words offer me an ID3 loaner/courtesy car to bridge the gap between me selling the i3 and receiving the (late) new car, and/or additional discount/extras.

Email is going to the salesman that made the **** up, the business manager, the branch manager and probably VW Ireland also.

I also contacted other dealers and offered them the chance to steal the sale if they can manage to beat the idiots to it and secure a car for delivery within a month.

unkel · 16-06-2021 12:39AM

DrPhilG wrote: »

nor do I want to wait another 6 months worth of depreciation on the i3.

The depreciation on your new ID.3 is going to be a lot higher than the depreciation on your old i3 over the next 6 months

In other words: you'll save money by delaying until Jan 2022 delivery. If you can get the dealer to "compensate" for their mistake by throwing you some goodies like 3 years free servicing, mats, extra charge cable, who knows, you could come out of this well

cannco253 · 16-06-2021 12:57AM

https://www.carsireland.ie/2690996

There’s an ID.3 Tour at Divanes according to carsireland.

Did you give them a call?

DrPhilG · 16-06-2021 01:08AM

cannco253 wrote: »

https://www.carsireland.ie/2690996

There’s an ID.3 Tour at Divanes according to carsireland.

Did you give them a call?

That's a Tour 5.

DrPhilG · 16-06-2021 01:10AM

unkel wrote: »

The depreciation on your new ID.3 is going to be a lot higher than the depreciation on your old i3 over the next 6 months

In other words: you'll save money by delaying until Jan 2022 delivery. If you can get the dealer to "compensate" for their mistake by throwing you some goodies like 3 years free servicing, mats, extra charge cable, who knows, you could come out of this well

True, but I don't want to wait 6 months, plus I'd also need them to extend the 0% finance offer.

I know the ID3 will be dropping in value quicker than the i3, but by that same fact I'd save more money by waiting a year rather than 6 months etc.

eagerv · 16-06-2021 01:19AM

DrPhilG wrote: »

That's a Tour 5.

Are you sure? Ad seems to be full of errors, ie 58kWh battery, but they do mention massage seats and 19" wheels which sounds like the Tour.

DrPhilG · 16-06-2021 01:21AM

eagerv wrote: »

Are you sure? Ad seems to be full of errors, ie 58kWh battery, but they do mention massage seats and 19" wheels which sounds like the Tour.

True, mentions the HUD too.

No harm in giving them a call I suppose. Although the lack of any actual pictures makes me doubt that they actually have it in stock.

cannco253 · 16-06-2021 01:40AM

DrPhilG wrote: »

That's a Tour 5.

Sorry , my mistake.

It’s the only Tour trim I can see on any of the websites at the moment.

Black_Knight · 16-06-2021 02:46AM

DrPhilG wrote: »

True, mentions the HUD too.

No harm in giving them a call I suppose. Although the lack of any actual pictures makes me doubt that they actually have it in stock.

Careful now... Could end up being a tour 5 after you've a deal done

the_amazing_raisin · 16-06-2021 09:44AM

Black_Knight wrote: »

Careful now... Could end up being a tour 5 after you've a deal done

Since they don't have pictures, my guess is that it's a customer order that fell through and the car is in transit or still being built

What's the bet the original customer ordered a Tour 5 and got a Tour instead? Maybe they can swap Phil's one for the other one

DrPhilG · 16-06-2021 09:57AM

cannco253 wrote: »

https://www.carsireland.ie/2690996

There’s an ID.3 Tour at Divanes according to carsireland.

Did you give them a call?

Pack of spoofers. Don't have the Tour on site. Hadn't a clue of the difference in the Tour and the Tour 5. No clue on the difference in battery size.

The listing is basically just clickbait for a theoretical car.

THE ALM · 16-06-2021 10:12AM

DrPhilG wrote: »

Pack of spoofers. Don't have the Tour on site. Hadn't a clue of the difference in the Tour and the Tour 5. No clue on the difference in battery size.

The listing is basically just clickbait for a theoretical car.

That's a pain in the hoop:mad: DrPhilG, hopefully you can get something sorted.

DrPhilG · 16-06-2021 10:16AM

Well I've emailed VW Ireland, tweeted them, and emailed the salesman and business manager at the dealership.

We'll see what comes of it, if anything.

fits · 16-06-2021 10:34AM

You wouldn’t really lose much by waiting for a 221 as long as you were guaranteed 0% pcp. Software might even be sorted by then. It’s an absolute pain for you though.

I’m just waiting for something to go wrong with our order now!

DrPhilG · 16-06-2021 10:38AM

fits wrote: »

You wouldn’t really lose much by waiting for a 221 as long as you were guaranteed 0% pcp. Software might even be sorted by then. It’s an absolute pain for you though.

I’m just waiting for something to go wrong with our order now!

Sortware is already sorted by all accounts. I think the only issues now are on older cars that were updated to 2.1 rather than new builds that started with it.

Plus new update due in the next week or so.

Bif · 16-06-2021 10:47AM

DrPhilG wrote: »

Pack of spoofers. Don't have the Tour on site. Hadn't a clue of the difference in the Tour and the Tour 5. No clue on the difference in battery size.

The listing is basically just clickbait for a theoretical car.

It is a total mess Phil. Hope it somehow works out for you. As someone pointed out it may be an opportunity to work a better deal for yourself even if this is not what you chose. Has your dealer come up with any solution yet?

dmcg90 · 16-06-2021 11:11AM

Still trying to make my mind up about whether to go for the Tour 5 or the Tour here.

The product guide is pretty hard to compare them with but are the only differences with the Tour?
- Heads Up Display
- Two extra speakers
- Better sound insulation
- Under-floor boot storage
- One less seat
- No sunroof
- No 'Area View' - Just a reversing camera

The big pro for me with the Tour is the heads up Display (not a dealbreaker through) and the Tour 5 is the sunroof. Judging whether the €2,971 I'd save going for the Tour 5 is worth it. Would appreciate any insights!

DrPhilG · 16-06-2021 11:11AM

Bif wrote: »

It is a total mess Phil. Hope it somehow works out for you. As someone pointed out it may be an opportunity to work a better deal for yourself even if this is not what you chose. Has your dealer come up with any solution yet?

Waiting for him to call back. He contacted VW up the chain yesterday but hadn't heard back so is due to contact me again today.

I did speak to another dealer nearby who checked the VW Ireland inventory and confirmed that there are none available in the country so it looks grim.

DrPhilG · 16-06-2021 11:14AM

dmcg90 wrote: »

Still trying to make my mind up about whether to go for the Tour 5 or the Tour here.

The product guide is pretty hard to compare them with but are the only differences with the Tour?
- Heads Up Display
- Two extra speakers
- Better sound insulation
- Under-floor boot storage
- One less seat
- No sunroof
- No 'Area View' - Just a reversing camera

The big pro for me with the Tour is the heads up Display (not a dealbreaker through) and the Tour 5 is the sunroof. Judging whether the €2,971 I'd save going for the Tour 5 is worth it. Would appreciate any insights!

Well I know a dealer who'll have a Tour 5 available pretty soon...

For me the HUD is the big one, but also motorised seat adjustment, lumbar support, massage function etc. The extra soundproofing was a big plus for me too.

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