Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

pgj2015 wrote: »

Yeah all the scientists and medical experts haven't got a clue. Maybe the surgeons should stop wearing them during operations? :pac:

With respect,you appear to be quite highly stressed about the issue.

I have not seen ANY suggestions that Medical Personnell should stop wearing appropriate coverings,and to contend otherwise reduces the chances of you being taken seriously.

Surgeons,and other medical personnell wear facemasks in very specific situations and under a variety of differing protocols,with there being no "one size fits all" scenario.

As you are,no doubt aware,if the wearing of facemasks in the general outdoor scenario is to be effective,it is subject to the wearers following strictly the protocols around handwashing,removal/fitting,storage and disposal/sanitization.

It is VERY obvious that the large majority of Facemask wearing people do/can NOT adhere to these recommendations,which in fact,are minimum standards for Facemask wearing in the general population.

The only avenue left open to the State in order to satisfy YOUR requirements is for the wearing of Facemasks to be made Compulsory everywhere at all times,under punishment of law.

As another poster has earlier mentioned,this scenario then raises issues surrounding the very type of rule we operate under,as in Democratic vs Dictatorial.

In the past 18 Months,much of the Western World has veered alarmingly in the direction of the latter,but as reason began to reassert itself,the general populace is regaining a semblance of self-confidence and recognition that Covid 19 and it's ilk does not,of itself,pose an immediate fatal threat to the greater mass of humanity.

So,at the end of all that,I shall continue to wear Face Coverings where I am forced to do so by (Temporary) Legislation,removing them immediately I am clear of the specified areas.

I do,however,recognise that this entire coercive process has inflicted far ranging damage to our very core of Humanity.

I also venture to point out that Dr.Holohan himself is not immune to being affected by Post Traumatic Stress,as would be very possible following the Death of a spouse or close family member.

Doctors,Scientists,Politicians and even Boards Posters remain HUMAN,and thereby subject to all that this brings with it.

Dr Holohan's tweet,by it's very tone and appearance displays a sense of being a Tweet motivated by a sense of strongly felt desperation,and bewilderment as to why so many people will not listen to him.

He most likely fails to appreciate that his Covid-19 voice,is now but ONE of thousands directed at the individual every waking moment,and thankfully,that individual remains free (presently) to make their own decisions.

The CMO may not like it,but,Long may that prevail !

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If they would give some vague indication on mass gatherings as opposed to talking as if we're literally years away from them, things like this wouldn't happen so often. A lot of people have lost hope that they'll be allowed to congregate in crowds like this for years to come, and for the kind of people who derive the most enjoyment of life from crowded gatherings, that ongoing "not in our lifetime" bullsh!t is leading to a sort of mass nihilism, hence scenes like those witnessed last night.

It's that simple. You cannot tell people in their twenties who up until 2020 were used to being packed in to dancefloors and concert mosh pits every weekend that they may never be allowed to do so again, and expect them not to eventually break and say "f*ck it, life is too depressing without it".

They need to give some clear indication on what they regard as an acceptable timeframe during which people are prohibited from socialising in large numbers. Because people simply will not accept that as a long term situation. I know internet forums tend to skew more introverted so there are a lot of people who probably don't understand this type of psyche, but there are people for whom experiencing something like was seen in the videos from William St last night may have been the first time they've been able to smile in more than a year.

Many, many people literally thrive on large social gatherings, life for them, build their enjoyment of life around them. To temporarily shut them down to deal with a crisis is the right thing to do. To talk as if they are simple dispensable long-term, is f*cking insanity. The government keeps kicking the can down the road as far as giving a clear indication on the return of nightclubs, concerts, outdoor festivals, etc - now we're being told it will be July before they'll even hint at when such events might be allowed again.

Expecting people to watch their lives slowly passing them by without experiencing what is, for many, the one thing that makes life worth living, is entirely unsustainable. Even Simon Harris admitted this in mid-2020. It's ridiculous for so many people to imagine that the massive number of people for whom mass gatherings are life's bread and butter would tolerate an indefinite, undefined, unconstrained ban on such activities without being shown literally any light at the end of the tunnel.

There is a danger of misrepresenting the CMO's anecdotal account as being focused on "Young" people.

Reality,as in observation,will show that the "Young" reference covers a VERY wide age-range.

The people Dr Holohan witnessed socialising around Dublin City Centre represented a broad cross section of the City's population,and this fact,more than anything else,would worry somebody in his position.

The Government will certainly now be aware of the tightrope it now walks.

The Taoiseach,being a Schoolnaster who resembles exactly that,is now in an invidious position,vis-a-vis his Táiniste,who has consistently appeared more willing to accept the reality of Human behaviour as opposed to what the "Experts" say it will be.

This is NOT Young vs Old....It is being Human vs Humanoid.

This is dystopian when you realize that in a few weeks a different demographic will be encouraged to wine and dine indoors with a government backed subsidy (stay and spend).

AlekSmart wrote: »

There is a danger of misrepresenting the CMO's anecdotal account as being focused on "Young" people.

Reality,as in observation,will show that the "Young" reference covers a VERY wide age-range.

The people Dr Holohan witnessed socialising around Dublin City Centre represented a broad cross section of the City's population,and this fact,more than anything else,would worry somebody in his position.

The Government will certainly now be aware of the tightrope it now walks.

The Taoiseach,being a Schoolnaster who resembles exactly that,is now in an invidious position,vis-a-vis his Táiniste,who has consistently appeared more willing to accept the reality of Human behaviour as opposed to what the "Experts" say it will be.

This is NOT Young vs Old....It is being Human vs Humanoid.

I'm a taxi driver, it is the young that are gathering, 15-30 is the majority, who can blame them, the younger you are the slower time passes, life is not meant to be a prison sentence, our forefathers lived in horrific conditions, our youth find themselves in more comfortable homes, but in starker times.
When the sun comes out after what to them seems like a lifetime of unbelievable restrictions, who can blame them for meeting friends and drinking a few beers? and if government policy forces them to urinate on streets and leave their litter on the roads, blame the government, not the kids.

GT89 wrote: »

Hypocrisy for the government to encourage an outdoor summer and then when people socialise outdoors as they were told they still give out. This isn't about a virus.

What's it about?

Don't Chute! wrote: »

So anyone who says something you don’t like: baaaaaad
Anyone who says something you like: gooooood

Ok gotcha.

No just Verona Murphy, have you seen /heard her performances over the past year on various Shows, she has one agenda (Hers)

If only we has a bottle and can deposit return scheme like many countries had decades ago... public toilets wouldnt go amiss either... absolute farce!

Even if it was just a bank of urinals behind a wall...

I've seen the video's, Ive heard the reaction to the free for all in Dublin and other locations

It's quite extraordinary the narrative seems to be these Naughty people didn't clean up after themselves, TUT TUT and whilst one disgraceful aspect of this carry on, liitle of no commentary about the unbelievable lack of social distancing and not a mask to be seen anywhere, unless you were a Garda dealing with this debacle.

I do not want to see a nanny state, I glad restrictions easing but mother of God have we learned nothing. This was not just a gathering, it was a free for all and the selfishness displayed quite appalling, spare a thought too for business owners already struggling having to close early and clean up the mess, but of course thinking of others not necessarily a priority by all accounts.

Roll on the Hysterical reactions........

seamus wrote: »

Some people have tbh.

I think most people realise that to make a big deal of it, would be very hypocritical.

I'm not naive enough to think that if I was in my early twenties, I wouldn't have been there. I would. Almost definitely. And so would most of us.

That's what young people do. They are evolutionarily predisposed to be less risk averse than older adults. Tutting at them about this is to claim that we wouldn't do the same thing at their age.

There have been a number of blind spots from NPHET and the Government on the lifting of restrictions. It's been mostly done from the perspective of upper-middle-class men in their 50s with a half-decent private garden, with very little consideration given to the people who can't make themselves fit in this bracket.

We should be less concerned about the social distancing aspect outdoors anyway. The WHO only recently admitted that Covid is in fact airborne. In terms of transmission, that actually changes the game a bit. No longer are social distancing and hand hygiene as important. The two most important defences are now masks and ventilation.

In hindsight, the data we had and saw over the last 14 months all pointed to this. And many people continually called it out. But the WHO took a long time to agree it. There's a whole backstory which is quite interesting on it.

So outdoors, unless people are literally crammed like sardines or licking eachother on the street, is largely a safe environment, even without social distancing.

Very fair and objective response, thank you. I appreciate outdoor socialising relatively safe, I guess my concern on seeing the images was the cramped nature of the gatherings, particularly Dublin City, but I do accept your points

He's some embarrassment.
One minute he's telling us all to be outside then he isn't.
Then the government tells us to be outside and then we shouldn't.
They just can't get a handle on how to exit their own mess without creating an even bigger one.