Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

mightyreds wrote: »

Villarreal had a parade for their Europa league win during the week , man united and Villarreal fans travelling to Gdansk, drinking away in bars and allowed enter the stadium, same in Porto tonight.

Are we living in an alternate universe in Ireland it definitely feels like it?

Yet the UK who are constantly held up as an example to follow re relaxation of restrictions, wouldnt allow the final to be played in the UK, strange that no?

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That's an embarrassing tweet to be honest.

The Irish Times are headlining with it - thought the virus doesnt really spread outdoors, and the fear last summer about outside Super spreaders was actually wrong , not to mention the vulnerable are now already vaccinated, so Tony spreading more unnessary Fear, causing more diviions in society who are already at breaking point mentally. The media lapdogs will have a field day with this , cause no one will question Tony the hero.

seamus wrote: »

Whatever about not wearing masks when they feel fine, I would hope that one of the big things that persists culturally out of this is that anyone walking around with a cold is treated like a leper and shamed into either staying at home or wearing a mask when they have to go indoors with others.

Why we spent decades tolerating people coming into work and onto busses, sneezing and coughing and blowing their noses, when we all knew deep down that they were spreading illness. We just looked the other way.

Treat people with a cold as lepers? What the what now?!

suicide_circus wrote: »

Tony is "shocked" that;

On the hottest day of the year, after 15 months of lockdown, after the most vulnerable are vaccinated and after countless similar scenes at home and abroad, after people have been told it's going to be an outdoor summer - young people are outdoors enjoying themselves....


Is he really that divorced from reality and an understanding of the human condition?

Or is he still so convinced of his own majesty that he thinks an expression of shock on his part will whip the plebs into line?

Either way, his tenure has run it's course.

Report on the morning radio news referencing Tony's outburst and someone saying the streets were crowded with drinking young people and complaining about plastic waste and urine.

I'm not condoning littering and pissing against the wall but that's what happens I suppose when you don't give people access to toilet facilities or the ability to give their empty glass back to the barman. We are not setup for outdoor dining or socialising and we don't generally have the weather for it to make the necessary investment worthwhile. This is not the Mediterranean.

As for Tony himself - the man's ego and arrogance is on full display yet again. Like most of his utterances he's best ignored at this stage, especially given his track record.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Reading some of the replies to his tweet, opinion seems to be mixed, although I'm not quite convinced that many aren't just fishing for the likes in that typically Irish way of showing how obsequious they are.

That crossed my mind too. But then what age group are the majority of his followers. I doubt the age profile of the people in that crowd where or are overly concerned with what the cmo was tweeting on a sunny Saturday night.

The CMO gets some flak on this Thread, I'm not saying every decision by NPHET was perfect but people seem to be forgetting its NPHET"s advice, like it or not that is leading to a reopening. Its also worth pointing out that there was Grave warning about a 4th wave at the last advisory meeting to government but overall NPHET advised government to proceed with reasonable cautions.

If anything, I think THE CMO has been quite measured lately, indeed since his return from bereavement leave. The indo headlining with the 4th wave concerns if anyone wants to read.

He's attempting to use Ireland's old reliable modifier of behaviour; shame. Archbishop Tony can't stand to see his strangle hold slip. He's allegedly shocked at an entirely foreseeable set of circumstances.

Dempo1 wrote: »

The CMO gets some flak on this Thread, I'm not saying every decision by NPHET was perfect but people seem to be forgetting its NPHET"s advice, like it or not that is leading to a reopening. Its also worth pointing out that there was Grave warning about a 4th wave at the last advisory meeting to government but overall NPHET advised government to proceed with reasonable cautions.

If anything, I think THE CMO has been quite measured lately, indeed since his return from bereavement leave. The indo headlining with the 4th wave concerns if anyone wants to read.

You have it arse about face here. It shouldn't be a case that NPHET can give advice for reopening. They should be giving advice on the medical situation and whether or not it constitutes a danger or not. After all, those are the very reason we continue to have many of our civil liberties suspended.

Tony has been sitting on that tweet for a while. He knows exactly what he is doing. He's trying to put pressure on the Garda to enforce gathering restrictions.

I'll be in the City Centre around that area later on, I bet the Garda will be all over it.

normanoffside wrote: »

This is very concerning.

https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1398724543536041990

That IS very concerning. The CMO was 'shocked'. I am shocked that he was shocked. A little knowledge of psychology will tell you that you can only tell people what they can or cant do for so long, especially young people.
So, 1 1/2 year of that and people are fed up. The weather is great so people go outdoors.
What we didnt know at the time of the first wave but DO know now is that there is practically no to very low infections spread outdoors, even with large gatherings like the protests last year. It mainly, if not exclusively, happens in poorly ventilated indoor spaces. Through the air and not by contact surfaces.That is just the science part.
For Tony Holihan to come out and make a statement like that indicates to me that there is a virtue signalling going on in which 'grown ups' go out and express their dismay about gatherings publicly. Well, if you follow the science from multiple levels there is no way you can stop young people from going outside and enjoy themselves. And you shouldnt try.
The only sensible thing now is to say: yes, go out and enjoy yourselves outside but be very careful whenever you go indoors.
THAT will stick, makes sense and IS backed up by science.
It is time for our Tony to get off his high horse and take a break. A holiday perhaps with a gagging order. No more statements from him please. If the minister of health wants to make a statement, fine. Just no more proxies.
Btw, i am in favor of vaccinations, have taken my first, can read statistics and Bayesian analytics.
In short i do follow the science.

As a little aside it is clear to me the government wanted to postpone international flights as long as possible. Due to the european agreed Covid19 DCC cert
directive they were bound to the max timeframe 6 weeks after the implementation in early June so to stretch it to to July 19. They are still doing everything they can to stop people from booking flights abroad from that date, no free PCR tests, testing to and from countries if you are not fully vaccinated.
Just in general being a nuisance, carrot and stick, preaching from the pulpit to the flock..just irritating.

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I was under the impression that the UK govt wouldnt relax regulations to allow all the UEFA top brass, sponsors and various corporate hangers on to attend

There will be 80,000 fans at Wembley for several matches next week.

AlekSmart wrote: »

Don't be so sure of that .

The CMO has his influential friends in high places,and his opinions hold a great deal of weight there.

It is my belief that He and many of his NPHET co members have become intoxicated with their power,influence and status and like may such sufferers,now believe themselves to be omnipotent and immune to challenge.

When one adds the new-found Irish political belief in Parochialism and introversion,then we truly are in dangerous times.

These people will use ANY means available,including a never ending "Variant" list to ensure the ordinaries stay at home and give up deatroying the Planet with unnecessary travel and over use of free time on useless fripperies such as foreign holidays and the likes.

Wide ranging powers to close down society,thus far temporary,are vast...

https://revisedacts.lawreform.ie/eli/1947/act/28/revised/en/html#SEC31A

Covid-19 is no longer the core,if indeed it ever was,for example,when did Covid-19 last meet this definition....



I'm afraid we've long since strayed far beyond Public Health concerns........:o

And dragged emergency legislation to November. That basically means that new restrictions can be enforced until the end if the year in case infection numbers rise..it hasnt passed yet as there is some pushback from the Dail

Silentcorner wrote: »

I have already shared the people who i spent most time listening to, you seem to forget that...it was only the other day...and my mistake, was not factoring in a winter surge, hardly a hanging offense for an amateur....but you seem almost obsessed with attempting to undermine every thing I say, it's pathetic.

What snake oil salesman told you that Asyptomatic people transmit the virus?

This was one of the reasons we were all told we had to lock down by the way....

Ha! Says yer man who has spent much of the last few pages of the thread almost obsessed with attempting to undermine everything another poster has said. Pathetic?

Funny how we saw no tweets after the BLM protests or numerous traveller gatherings.