Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

28-05-2021 11:55AM

a_squirrelman wrote: »

But Irish passport holders and EU citizens can travel to Ireland freely.

So what is the reason they are asking?

Gov.ie states

" The government advises against all non-essential international travel.

All passengers arriving in Ireland must:

complete a COVID-19 Passenger Locator Form

provide evidence that you have a negative or ‘not detected’ result from a COVID-19 Reverse Transcription Polymerase Chain Reaction (RT-PCR) test carried out no more than 72 hours before you arrive into Ireland, or have evidence that you are exempt from this legal requirement

If you are travelling from or via a designated state then you must also pre-book and pre-pay for a place in a designated facility for mandatory hotel quarantine."

They are "advising" against travel, and the €2k fine is for leaving Ireland, so what is the reason for asking?
If I give a non-essential reason and I can't be fined what happens?

Non essential travel into Ireland is not illegal.
Some travellers into the country are exempt from the need to fill out locator forms of self isolate.
Perhaps they are informing people of the rules and regulations that apply to them, depending on their reason for travel?

28-05-2021 11:56AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

From everything I’ve read over the last 24 hours I think it’s a safe bet the €2,000 fine remains until Midnight July 18th.

Looks likely.

a_squirrelman · 28-05-2021 12:02PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Non essential travel into Ireland is not illegal.
Some travellers into the country are exempt from the need to fill out locator forms of self isolate.
Perhaps they are informing people of the rules and regulations that apply to them, depending on their reason for travel?

Maybe, well my partner is arriving next week so I'll see soon enough how much sh!t she gets.

Edit: Although when I arrived four weeks ago they asked my reason, I told them, and they didn't advise anything so.....

Ms.Sunshine · 28-05-2021 12:03PM

afatbollix wrote: »

You get on a plane and it flys to the UK.

You can leave your quarantine to travel.

So can you arrive on a Friday with Neg pcr test , fill in locator form then arrive back to the airport to fly back to the uk after two days without any questions being asked ? I thought you’d have to be in the country longer than the 5 days to prove you’ve adhered to the self isolation

M_Murphy57 · 28-05-2021 12:05PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

From everything I’ve read over the last 24 hours I think it’s a safe bet the €2,000 fine remains until Midnight July 18th.

With the CTA with the UK not reopening until July 19th it seems all the stars have aligned for the government on this issue so anyone with travel plans before it needs to get their essential reason sorted prior to travelling.

A total disaster to be honest.

Or leave via belfast/uk and avoid getting interrogated like a common criminal or fined or turned around or sent to hotel prison.

We have honestly the weakest most embarrassing buffoon at the helm.

28-05-2021 12:19PM

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Maybe, well my partner is arriving next week so I'll see soon enough how much sh!t she gets.

Edit: Although when I arrived four weeks ago they asked my reason, I told them, and they didn't advise anything so.....

She probably won't get any ****, is she an Irish passport holder?
Maybe you didn't need any advise ?

28-05-2021 12:20PM

Ms.Sunshine wrote: »

So can you arrive on a Friday with Neg pcr test , fill in locator form then arrive back to the airport to fly back to the uk after two days without any questions being asked ? I thought you’d have to be in the country longer than the 5 days to prove you’ve adhered to the self isolation

Sure what can they do if you're returning to your home? That's allowed.

josip · 28-05-2021 12:22PM

If you depart before July 19th but return after, you could still be issued with a €2000 fine if your trip is non-essential ?

gozunda · 28-05-2021 12:24PM

kilns wrote: »

Daily Mail reporting that Ireland this week will announce no boundaries for UK travellers to Ireland

Irish Times just announcing that the Green Cert will come into place mid July

If they allow free access between the UK and Ireland and not Europe, then nobody should allow them mention the word variant again

Daily Mail - Null Points

Irish Times - Curiously Close

Variants - No Comment available

:pac:

a_squirrelman · 28-05-2021 12:28PM

bubblypop wrote: »

She probably won't get any ****, is she an Irish passport holder?
Maybe you didn't need any advise ?

No she's EU. We'll see, well I guess Irish immigration can't be any worse than Eastern European police/immigration. And I've survived many encounters with them. :pac:

naufragos123 · 28-05-2021 12:30PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

From everything I’ve read over the last 24 hours I think it’s a safe bet the €2,000 fine remains until Midnight July 18th.

With the CTA with the UK not reopening until July 19th it seems all the stars have aligned for the government on this issue so anyone with travel plans before it needs to get their essential reason sorted prior to travelling.

A total disaster to be honest.

You've been banging that drum for weeks, is it that deep down you want the fine to remain?

That fine can hardly be legal so how can they justify extending it after June 2nd? Remember it is due to expire and has to actually be extended. Now I've no illusions about Donnelly and quite frankly despise him as a Minister as I think he's a disaster. So I am well aware that he would probably be delighted to extend it. But with growing opposition to their policies, not least from our large expat population, I think there is a reasonable chance it will be let lapse on June 2nd. What may happen is that it might lapse quietly.

28-05-2021 12:30PM

a_squirrelman wrote: »

No she's EU. We'll see, well I guess Irish immigration can't be any worse than Eastern European police/immigration. And I've survived many encounters with them. :pac:

She'll be grand. Aren't we all allowed a social.bubble or something anyway

Rosereynolds · 28-05-2021 12:32PM

josip wrote: »

If you depart before July 19th but return after, you could still be issued with a €2000 fine if your trip is non-essential ?

It looks that way, although I pray they quietly let the fine expire on June 2nd

naufragos123 · 28-05-2021 12:38PM

Rosereynolds wrote: »

It looks that way, although I pray they quietly let the fine expire on June 2nd

That is a very feasible possibility and like you I have all fingers and toes crossed.

adubintipp2 · 28-05-2021 01:00PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

From everything I’ve read over the last 24 hours I think it’s a safe bet the €2,000 fine remains until Midnight July 18th.

With the CTA with the UK not reopening until July 19th it seems all the stars have aligned for the government on this issue so anyone with travel plans before it needs to get their essential reason sorted prior to travelling.

A total disaster to be honest.

Much as I think it makes no sense to keep the fine and goes against the spirit of "freedom of movement", I suspect you might be correct. After all, they kept the inter county fine until the day they allowed inter county travel. That said, can't see a Guard being too worried about fining anyone after late June / early July, unless they get cheeky with them

Politically, the main counter argument would be that the usual suspects have made such a fuss about extending the "emergency" powers, that they can hardly complain if the fine is removed. But I am not sure what the upside is for the government, if they drop the fine early, and we get "scary variants", they will be accused of mixed messaging

Feria40 · 28-05-2021 01:22PM

Maybe someone like Faceman could advise the latest on masks outdoors in Spain?

A week or two ago the demise of this rule appeared to be imminent but since then all has gone quiet..

Any update from ground?

TIA

Klonker · 28-05-2021 01:23PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

From everything I’ve read over the last 24 hours I think it’s a safe bet the €2,000 fine remains until Midnight July 18th.

With the CTA with the UK not reopening until July 19th it seems all the stars have aligned for the government on this issue so anyone with travel plans before it needs to get their essential reason sorted prior to travelling.

A total disaster to be honest.

From reading the rules around the €2,000 fine and what constitutes 'essential travel', it seems like if someone is travelling for a medical/dental reason, then someone who lives with them can go also as this is deemed essential also.

Might be helpful to know for some on here.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/travel_abroad/travelling_abroad_during_covid.html#l225d3

naufragos123 · 28-05-2021 01:25PM

adubintipp2 wrote: »

Much as I think it makes no sense to keep the fine and goes against the spirit of "freedom of movement", I suspect you might be correct. After all, they kept the inter county fine until the day they allowed inter county travel. That said, can't see a Guard being too worried about fining anyone after late June / early July, unless they get cheeky with them

Politically, the main counter argument would be that the usual suspects have made such a fuss about extending the "emergency" powers, that they can hardly complain if the fine is removed. But I am not sure what the upside is for the government, if they drop the fine early, and we get "scary variants", they will be accused of mixed messaging

Agree with a lot of this and even if the fine is extended it could become one of the many laws that are never enforced especially as we get nearer the official date.

However the one big danger that remains while that fine is in place is flight cancellations. So enforced or not, people finding excuses to travel or not, that headache remains because clearly you'll have less people travelling with that threat hanging over them and more likelihood of flights being pulled.

kilns · 28-05-2021 01:30PM

Hard to tell from he Independent article but it mentions in a seperate paragraph fully vaccinated people do not have to have PCR test or would have to quarantine. I wonder is that also from July 19 or with immediate effective.

Here in Switzerland with immediate effect, fully vaccinated people can move freely

Will know more later i guess

stephenjmcd · 28-05-2021 01:31PM

kilns wrote: »

Hard to tell from he Independent article but it mentions in a seperate paragraph fully vaccinated people do not have to have PCR test or would have to quarantine. I wonder is that also from July 19 or with immediate effective.

Here in Switzerland with immediate effect, fully vaccinated people can move freely

Will know more later i guess

Plan to be confirmed is 19th July, fully vax come and go as you please as normal within EU

Ray Donovan · 28-05-2021 01:31PM

naufragos123 wrote: »

You've been banging that drum for weeks, is it that deep down you want the fine to remain?

That fine can hardly be legal so how can they justify extending it after June 2nd? Remember it is due to expire and has to actually be extended. Now I've no illusions about Donnelly and quite frankly despise him as a Minister as I think he's a disaster. So I am well aware that he would probably be delighted to extend it. But with growing opposition to their policies, not least from our large expat population, I think there is a reasonable chance it will be let lapse on June 2nd. What may happen is that it might lapse quietly.

Deep down I want it to remain????? Hardly. I'm travelling on June 28th. And Ive complained to the European Commission, my MEP's and TD's about it's disproportionality.

I just firmly believe that's what will happen. Why would the government allow travel on July 19th but let the travel fine lapse on the 2nd of June? Makes no sense. Particularly when it only takes the stroke of a pen to extend it.

Gael23 · 28-05-2021 01:38PM

If you are exempt from MHQ having been fully vaccinated do you still have to quarantine at home?

Van.Bosch · 28-05-2021 01:47PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Plan to be confirmed is 19th July, fully vax come and go as you please as normal within EU

Any info on kids? At present over 6’s need a PCR to enter.

copeyhagen · 28-05-2021 01:48PM

pc7 wrote: »

Its so good to have something to look forward too, I booked this week and its given me such a lift, cannot wait for heat on my bones!

this *10000. i need somethin to look forward to, and for me its family holidays.

got away last year thank god, but this year was bleak.

im like a kid the last few days, even though its from Belfast (i live beside Dublin Airport), im excited ta ****.

i work my ass off 5 days a week and need the holiday plan to keep me sane..

kilns · 28-05-2021 01:49PM

Gael23 wrote: »

If you are exempt from MHQ having been fully vaccinated do you still have to quarantine at home?

In Ireland weird and wacky restrictions I think you do yes , I'm open to correction

Van.Bosch · 28-05-2021 01:50PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Deep down I want it to remain????? Hardly. I'm travelling on June 28th. And Ive complained to the European Commission, my MEP's and TD's about it's disproportionality.

I just firmly believe that's what will happen. Why would the government allow travel on July 19th but let the travel fine lapse on the 2nd of June? Makes no sense. Particularly when it only takes the stroke of a pen to extend it.

That’s logical but maybe they might keep the quarantine requirements, PCR and drop fine until 18th. And then 19th drop quarantine and PCR requirement

Ms.Sunshine · 28-05-2021 01:52PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Sure what can they do if you're returning to your home? That's allowed.

True . Ive just realized though that the people I’m asking about have flights booked to come just for a weekend visit so fri - sun . I doubt that would pass immigrations as it stands right now because they won’t be here long enough to even do the self isolation?

IQO · 28-05-2021 01:58PM

https://twitter.com/dreynders/status/1398256552893726721

embraer170 · 28-05-2021 01:58PM

Ms.Sunshine wrote: »

True . Ive just realized though that the people I’m asking about have flights booked to come just for a weekend visit so fri - sun . I doubt that would pass immigrations as it stands right now because they won’t be here long enough to even do the self isolation?

There are no fines for arriving in Ireland, so unless they deny them entry (which I doubt immigration have grounds to do) I cannot see them having such an issue.

It is a different fine for breaking home quarantine. Is there anything published on the number of such fines issues?

M_Murphy57 · 28-05-2021 02:03PM

IQO wrote: »

https://twitter.com/dreynders/status/1398256552893726721

They received the criteria MHQ is based on? So Donnelly sent them a picture of his dart board?

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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