Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

matrim

Gael23 wrote: »

If you are exempt from MHQ having been fully vaccinated do you still have to quarantine at home?

Yes, you don't have to do the hotel quarantine but you still have to quarantine at home.

naufragos123

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Deep down I want it to remain????? Hardly. I'm travelling on June 28th. And Ive complained to the European Commission, my MEP's and TD's about it's disproportionality.

I just firmly believe that's what will happen. Why would the government allow travel on July 19th but let the travel fine lapse on the 2nd of June? Makes no sense. Particularly when it only takes the stroke of a pen to extend it.

My apologies to you. I remember now that indeed you did take the trouble to complain and told us about the officious attitude you got back from a FF TD. I complained when MHQ was extended to EU countries, to the EU and to my TDs but didn't have the time to complain again when the fine was extended.

BUT, will you do yourself and the rest of us a favour with your "firmly believe"and absolute conviction talk of the fine continuing. Jesus you'll make it happen! :eek: But look it's not that clear cut. I can follow your logic but the fact is the fine is disproportionate, many have complained, there is quite a backlash from the expat community plus smaller Irish airports are on their knees and trying to get back up again in June. The fine would kill them. Are our Govt that crazy? Maybe they are and maybe they're not. Remember they don't have to do anything other than just let it lapse. It would be a horrendous move to renew it and keep it up to 19th June, a move they're undoubtedly capable of but will they actually do it?

faceman

Feria40 wrote: »

Maybe someone like Faceman could advise the latest on masks outdoors in Spain?

A week or two ago the demise of this rule appeared to be imminent but since then all has gone quiet..

Any update from ground?

TIA

Funnily enough it’s in the Spanish news again today. Linked below but it’s in Spanish

In short no decision yet but department of health is still studying it and there is lots of discussion on it.

It looks like outdoors masks may be dropped by August latest. They don’t want to do it too soon and send the wrong message (there’s a push to get more vaccines in arms first) but at the same the noise about having to wear masks outdoors in sparsely populated areas is loud.

One things I’ve noticed over the past month is that it doesn’t seem to be as enforced as hard, outdoors anyway.

https://elpais.com/sociedad/2021-05-28/hacia-el-fin-de-las-mascarillas-al-aire-libre.html

Lumen

matrim wrote: »

Yes, you don't have to do the hotel quarantine but you still have to quarantine at home.

If you're staying in a hotel is it mandatory to quarantine? :pac:

I’m unable to parse all the reportage today — when it is written that unessential travel will reopen from July 19, does this include inbound travel from outside the EU?

Also, although MHQ will continue, I understand it will not apply to those who have a negative PCR or who are vaccinated with an EMA vaccine — am I correct?

RobitTV

Sky News: 4,182 COVID-19 cases have been reported in the UK - the highest daily total since 1 April.

Deaths still remain low and the vaccine rollout is progressing strongly. You do wonder though how some EU countries will react if the Indian variant spreads rapidly in the UK over the coming weeks. Might put summer travel in danger if extra measures are imposed. (Quarantine and extra testing for UK travellers?) this is all speculation for now...

But France and Germany imposing extra measures is not a positive sign for the UK at this current time.

RobitTV

RobitTV wrote: »

Sky News: 4,182 COVID-19 cases have been reported in the UK - the highest daily total since 1 April.

Deaths still remain low and the vaccine rollout is progressing strongly. You do wonder though how some EU countries will react if the Indian variant spreads rapidly in the UK over the coming weeks. Might put summer travel in danger if extra measures are imposed. (Quarantine and extra testing for UK travellers?) this is all speculation for now...

But France and Germany imposing extra measures is not a positive sign for the UK at this current time.

Were in the end game now, Life will move on, other crisis will come......

once the vunerable and aged were vaccinated, its about risk, and we all know its much reduced now Thank God.

Ray Donovan

RobitTV wrote: »

Sky News: 4,182 COVID-19 cases have been reported in the UK - the highest daily total since 1 April.

Deaths still remain low and the vaccine rollout is progressing strongly. You do wonder though how some EU countries will react if the Indian variant spreads rapidly in the UK over the coming weeks. Might put summer travel in danger if extra measures are imposed. (Quarantine and extra testing for UK travellers?) this is all speculation for now...

But France and Germany imposing extra measures is not a positive sign for the UK at this current time.

Which is the equivalent of 270 cases here. So no real biggie.

brickster69

RobitTV wrote: »

Sky News: 4,182 COVID-19 cases have been reported in the UK - the highest daily total since 1 April.

Deaths still remain low and the vaccine rollout is progressing strongly. You do wonder though how some EU countries will react if the Indian variant spreads rapidly in the UK over the coming weeks. Might put summer travel in danger if extra measures are imposed. (Quarantine and extra testing for UK travellers?) this is all speculation for now...

But France and Germany imposing extra measures is not a positive sign for the UK at this current time.

I don't think many will have any intention of going to France or Germany in the short term. Ten times as many people dying per day and far higher cases with a third less testing going on.

Lumen

From what I've read the UK are just about well vaccinated enough to resist a large wave of infection from the Indian variant, but it's a close call.

We're currently 2 months behind them in vaccination terms and whilst we should close that gap to around 5 weeks by the time we reopen indoor dining, a lot of those will be newly vaccinated people with lower levels of protection.

The u-turn on reopening the CTA in advance of EU travel seems sensible, since PCR testing apparently did little to stop that variant from being heavily seeded in the UK.

Wallander

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Which is the equivalent of 270 cases here. So no real biggie.

With way more testing in the UK too - close to a million tests today, around 0.4% of tests coming out positive (was about 2.5% tests positive here last we heard).

rogber

embraer170 wrote: »

There are no fines for arriving in Ireland, so unless they deny them entry (which I doubt immigration have grounds to do) I cannot see them having such an issue.

It is a different fine for breaking home quarantine. Is there anything published on the number of such fines issues?

That would interest me too. I'm not aware of any data on that. I suspect that there are few to no controls being done at this stage. Am flying to Ireland soon to see elderly parents, both vaccinated, I will have pcr test and one vaccination dose by that stage, certainly not intending to spend the first 5 days locked in my room and not even going for a walk or to the supermarket.

brickster69

Lumen wrote: »

From what I've read the UK are just about well vaccinated enough to resist a large wave of infection from the Indian variant, but it's a close call.

We're currently 2 months behind them in vaccination terms and whilst we should close that gap to around 5 weeks by the time we reopen indoor dining, a lot of those will be newly vaccinated people with lower levels of protection.

The u-turn on reopening the CTA in advance of EU travel seems sensible, since PCR testing apparently did little to stop that variant from being heavily seeded in the UK.

So by that logic, the countries that are behind the UK are far more at risk of a large wave of infection from the Indian variant. Just my idea but possibly opening up this international travel may not be the best idea at this time. Hopefully i am wrong.

Tazz T

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Which is the equivalent of 270 cases here. So no real biggie.

This. One look at their infection graph and you can see this is an opening up blip. We'd expect to see the same here in a few weeks, before numbers fall again as we hit our vax numbers.

stephenjmcd

Fairly straightforward

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1398320340254834693?s=19

And in chart format

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Tazz T

brickster69 wrote: »

So by that logic, the countries that are behind the UK are far more at risk of a large wave of infection from the Indian variant. Just my idea but possibly opening up this international travel may not be the best idea at this time. Hopefully i am wrong.

Greece has been open for international travel for weeks now - Americans flooding in. Infection numbers are falling off a cliff (half what they were since opening to travel and still falling). International travel has little effect once people are vaxxed and tested.

Tazz T

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Fairly straightforward

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1398320340254834693?s=19

And in chart format

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https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1398320010666426373?s=19

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So antigen tests are no good. Still at least no PCR required for vaxxed travellers. Some commonsense there.

Pricey for families with children though.

titan18

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Fairly straightforward

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1398320340254834693?s=19

And in chart format

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https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1398320010666426373?s=19

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That's better than I hoped for. Was sure they'd go vaccine and a test

ArtSmart

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Fairly straightforward

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1398320340254834693?s=19

And in chart format

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1398320010666426373?s=19

They Both can't be right. Second guy puts Antigen as equal to PCR

titan18

ArtSmart wrote: »

They Both can't be right. Second guy puts Antigen as equal to PCR

I read it as arrive with an antigen test and they'll make you take a PCR at the airport

matrim

ArtSmart wrote: »

They Both can't be right. Second guy puts Antigen as equal to PCR

In the second chart, if you arrive with an antigen test you have to do a PCR test on arrival. But still don't have to quarantine.

If you arrive with a PCR test you are free to go about your business.

stephenjmcd

ArtSmart wrote: »

They Both can't be right. Second guy puts Antigen as equal to PCR

No that's what's been given to journalists.

Arrive with an antigen test you'll have to take a PCR test on arrival

Fully vaccinated off you go on your way

Ray Donovan

Again, how does one use the DGC to prove they have recovered from a previous infection?

Gael23

What’s the emergency brake in the chart?

ZX7R

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Again, how does one use the DGC to prove they have recovered from a previous infection?

Blood test that confirms the presence and levels of SARS- covid active antibodies .

Van.Bosch

So Will emergency brake apply for UK from July 19th??

dodzy

Folks, I seen somewhere on here a link to a site where you can check what happens when you get off a plane in another EU destination......basically I need to know how one could check entry to say, Majorca for non residents, on July 19th! I’m sure o Leary will drop you off whether you can leave the airport or not so I’d like to be sure.

(Not losing sight of the fact that’s I know I’m being very optimistic and this situation could sh!t itself at a moments notice both at point of departure and at destination)

fabo1thecross

Re open eu app.

CJmasgrande

Anyone please clarify if we go to Spain I'm fully vaccinated do I need to self isolate on return from August?

SteM

Sorry if this has been covered already but I honestly haven't looked at any foreign travel stuff at all in the last year. My wife really wants to travel to her uncle's funeral in the UK on 24th June. If she flies return Dublin to London would she have to quarantine in a hotel when she gets back into Dublin? What about tests at either end?

If she has the MHQ could she from go Dublin to London and then back London to Belfast and we'll pick her up there?