Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Foxtrol wrote: »

At the airports they are already accepting US vaccination cards to allow those people to avoid mandatory hotel quarantine. There is no reason why they can't continue to accept the same material and simply not require the same people to quarantine.

https://news.yahoo.com/ebay-account-reportedly-sold-over-212514887.html


There is also a photo there of what it looks like.

jellies wrote: »

Let's take the quoted false positive rate for a single test of 3%.
On this basis the probability of a single false positive in a group of four is 8% and in a group of five is 14%. So not trivial for a family situation and that's for a group with no pre COVID history. Also some people may have had asymptomatic or unconfirmed COVID and not be aware they had it.

Are you referring to the 3% you quoted from Cillian De Gascun's on the separate issue of false positives for PCR tests?

OK don't know your source but Dr De Gascun is on record detailing that  the highest possible false positive rate for PCR in relationton to covid is  0.2%.  

In a Twitter thread earlier this month, Dr De Gascun noted that standard PCR tests can produce somewhere in the region of 1% to 3% false positive results – leading to claims Ireland could be wrongly diagnosing high numbers of people.

Speaking to On The Record With Gavan Reilly this morning, he said the tweet has, “kind of come back to it to bite me in some respects” and noted that when it comes to Ireland’s COVID-19 testing system, the highest possible percentage of false positives is 0.2%.

“The percentage that I used in that setting really was around, I suppose, PCR in general so across the whole gamut,” he said. “I wasn't speaking specifically about SARS COV 2. I was just trying to give people some background or some context around PCR testing.”

https://www.newstalk.com/news/coronavirus-testing-false-positives-1082333

So no those figures would not be correct.

kilns wrote: »

Daily Mail reporting that Ireland this week will announce no boundaries for UK travellers to Ireland

Irish Times just announcing that the Green Cert will come into place mid July

If they allow free access between the UK and Ireland and not Europe, then nobody should allow them mention the word variant again

1 million percent.

And it further highlights the farce that is MHQ and the staggering incompetence of Donnelly, not to mention the millions pissed up against a wall fighting an imaginary vaccine evading variant.

Valhallapt wrote: »

The defenders here are conspiracy theorists, one of which has been posting about bringing airborne diseases/plague into Ireland via an airplane for over three years now. Logic defies them.

Defenders of what Valhalapt? Common sense,? Lord save us - we can't have that can we?

Hmmm. Though I think you might be a bit confused there tbh as to who / what actual conspiracy theorists are ...

But yes covid-19 does seem to have arrived by airplane :eek:

The very  first report of Covid 19 here was a woman who travelled through Dublin Airport on her way home to Northern Ireland from northern Italy.

The first case here was a secondary school student - who had flown back from northern Italy, after being in an at-risk area. 

The next was a woman who had aslo flown here from northern Italy and who was confirmed as the second case of coronavirus in Ireland.

But maybe that's all wrong? Maybe it really it was two swallows being made to carry a coconut or something How's that for a conspiracy theory?

If only we had known ...

kilns wrote: »

Do you concede that if Ireland allows free movement between the UK and Ireland then the variant argument used to stop travel from any other country is dead in the water (or air if you like )

Well the comment referred to a report from the daily mail. But yeah it most likley will happen at some point and MHQ will most likely be wound down.

That said the news from the UK seems to be good in that they seem to be actively managing the strain there. I suppose time will tell.

jellies wrote: »

Thanks for clarifying, was not aware of that.
Even at .2% seems like a recipe for lots of hard cases due to false positives at scale. Plus asymptomatic people which fall into the 18%.

No worries. But 0.2% is the highest possible rate - so yeah fairly miniscule when gauged against the number who test positive overall and of that number those that actually travel and of that the 0 - 0.2 % who actually get a false positive.

It's not something I would be unduly worried about. I reckon the same applies to the 18% of people who get a positive result from a prior infection especially where the absolute majority of people travelling from Ireland haven't had a prior infection

bubblypop wrote: »

Can't believe this negative rubbish got so many thanks!
I can only assume that most posters on here are of the mind that we shouldn't have done anything different to normal when the pandemic hit!!

I personally am not a fan of lockdowns at all, but I'm not blind to everything that we had to do and that other countries did too. We are not the worst country, far from it.

Maybe my post got a lot of thanks because it has a ring of truth. Your churlish reply does not strengthen your own argument that Ireland is not the worst country. I'm sorry but I suspect you of denial syndrome.

Also very churlish to accuse all posters who disagree with you as being some sort of "let it rip" enthusiasts. I don't know these posters so I can't speak for them but I personally supported and obeyed restrictions and made it my business not to catch or spread Covid and thankfully was successful in my efforts. But certainly at this point the cure is worse than the disease and I feel very strongly that Ireland is much too cautious and many are suffering unnecessarily as a result. By that I refer to the severed families unable to reunite and the huge damage to livelihoods dependent on our tourism and aviation sectors.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Delta have just canned all their Ireland USA flights for the forseeable future. Pain in the a**. Heading over in July and have to re-book them all now through a European hub and add hours to the trip

Have you a link to the announcement woody?

Looks like some common sense and pragmatism is finally starting to be applied here. Eamon Ryan announced that its unreasonable to ask fully vaccinated people to wait for Green Cert to become operational, and sounding like they might open this up soon. I think the government realizes that if they wait till mid-aug to reopen travel for vaccinated people the damage will be severe

I can't post links, but its an article on the journal

kilns wrote: »

Yes the independent have it also with a very mis leading headline. Such gutter journalism

The Independent headline is actually incredible. It's either one or a combination of the following with that rag these days:

1.) Rank bad journalism
2.) Desperation for clicks
3.) Someone's in bed/married/related/owes money to an ISAG member

kilns wrote: »

Yes the independent have it also with a very mis leading headline. Such gutter journalism

The Irish Times have quite a misleading headline also:

EU permit on air travel may not be in general use until August – Ryan

However in the article:

Ireland is expected to implement the EU green digital certificate in mid-July but Mr Ryan suggested it might not be fully operational across Europe until the following month.

“Given that the digital green certificate might not be in widespread use until at least mid-August, it would not seem reasonable to expect fully vaccinated people to wait for the digital green certificate before allowing freedom from current pre-arrival PCR and quarantine requirements,” said Mr Ryan.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/eu-permit-on-air-travel-may-not-be-in-general-use-until-august-ryan-1.4575130