Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

VinLieger · 26-05-2021 08:24PM

gozunda wrote: »

This is the official HSE information on each of the different vaccines and when immunity kicks in. It varies for each of them.

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/

Indeed but its not what people are being told at the centres

speckle · 26-05-2021 09:13PM

re ....at this stage I will just call 'them' a farce

Numbers allowed..
Age equality discrimnation re numbers of adults versus children at tables both transmit equally..actually kids will more regarding rollout.

Also discrimnates against those with no children or even single..who might have sat at a bar to leave tables for groups...who is going to prioritised more when taking bookings understandable to make money?...

Distance rule
What happens if somebody is more rotund with a chair further back from the table does that break the rules?
Do we put the thinner people on the sides next to the next table?
Maybe we should all sit on stools they have have no chair back to measure the distance between persons?

Time limits
Just have lock ins ...less people for contact tracing to find if everyone is just in the one pub for the night...instead of pub crawl time limits

Music
No difference in catching covid from instrumental live music and the radio/CD...infact as long as you dont have metallica on your local pub no difference risk wise having someone singing as long as their not screaming their lungs off...

Infact most singers use a microphone as it enables them to sing softer and at lower decibals...and the scientific research re the above has already been been done and dusted check Bristol University and others..we have gone backwards re live music since last year... Vintiners/pub assoc. have the above and so should the gov by now.. I know that for a fact.

Paid looplahs with too much on their hands. Keep it simple...st*pid

Angry with fire in my belly...apologies cant find smilie thingy bob that does justice or I would add it here...>

edit: Need to go open the windows now for some ventillation to screaaaam

Hub D15 · 26-05-2021 09:18PM

The less restrictions the better. The less incompetent government the better. The majority of the rules they do/have/will come up with have substantial downside and very little upside. For example:

Restrict how far people travel: Result people in urban areas all go to same crowded parks and streets.
Close restaurants most of year and reopen them only in summer: Result restaurants when open are more crowded than usual.
Close pubs/restaurants at 11pm: Result everyone goes at the same time

ionnn · 26-05-2021 09:24PM

105 minute rule is just laughable, can anyone justify its purpose?

normanoffside · 26-05-2021 09:32PM

From this timeline there seems to be a huge push against Martin from within his party

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1397622651703676928

celt262 · 26-05-2021 09:34PM

ionnn wrote: »

105 minute rule is just laughable, can anyone justify its purpose?

Get more paying customers through the door.

ionnn · 26-05-2021 09:38PM

The restrictions are being introduced by emergency powers intended to protect public health, if it's not serving that purpose and I cant see how anyone can say 105 minutes is somehow fine but 110 is to dangerous, then it should not exist.

PTH2009 · 26-05-2021 09:39PM

speckle wrote: »

re ....at this stage I will just call 'them' a farce

Numbers allowed..
Age equality discrimnation re numbers of adults versus children at tables both transmit equally..actually kids will more regarding rollout.

Also discrimnates against those with no children or even single..who might have sat at a bar to leave tables for groups...who is going to prioritised more when taking bookings understandable to make money?...

Distance rule
What happens if somebody is more rotund with a chair further back from the table does that break the rules?
Do we put the thinner people on the sides next to the next table?
Maybe we should all sit on stools they have have no chair back to measure the distance between persons?

Time limits
Just have lock ins ...less people for contact tracing to find if everyone is just in the one pub for the night...instead of pub crawl time limits

Music
No difference in catching covid from instrumental live music and the radio/CD...infact as long as you dont have metallica on your local pub no difference risk wise having someone singing as long as their not screaming their lungs off...

Infact most singers use a microphone as it enables them to sing softer and at lower decibals...and the scientific research re the above has already been been done and dusted check Bristol University and others..we have gone backwards re live music since last year... Vintiners/pub assoc. have the above and so should the gov by now.. I know that for a fact.

Paid looplahs with too much on their hands. Keep it simple...st*pid

Angry with fire in my belly...apologies cant find smilie thingy bob that does justice or I would add it here...>

edit: Need to go open the windows now for some ventillation to screaaaam

They don't give a **** about the lone drinker and would paint them all in the same brush of 'the lazy alcoholic wasters who spends all there time inside pubs and wont go out and get a job'

Not all lone/day drinkers are like that and some are actually on there day off work/on holiday/going to/watching a gig/match etc

Should i give up hope because of the cowards in charge ?

26-05-2021 09:41PM

JRant wrote: »

Ah, these new rules will fit into modern Irish society quite nicely. Irish people love to make a booking for everything, breakfast, lunch or dinner.

BBQ's and cold beers in the garden will be the order of the day. More relaxing and nobody watching you to see how long you've left at a table.

You've obviously never lived in Ranelagh:-)

speckle · 26-05-2021 09:45PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

They don't give a **** about the lone drinker and would paint them all in the same brush of 'the lazy alcoholic wasters who spends all there time inside pubs and wont go out and get a job'

Not all lone/day drinkers are like that and some are actually on there day off work/on holiday/going to/watching a gig/match etc

Should i give up hope because of the cowards in charge ?

No giving up... the minute they are open.. I am going by myself to have my usual cuppa tea and I will choose the largest table for myself

Wanderer2010 · 26-05-2021 09:46PM

How often do 6 13yr olds book tables in restaurants?!

speckle · 26-05-2021 09:51PM

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

How often do 6 13yr olds book tables in restaurants?!

Thats made me think what if you book a table with a kid included in the numbers and at the last moment the kid cant go...homework..scratch on the knee..just tired..does the table get cancelled and the pub/ restaurant takings are lost as you cant 'legaly' go?

Hub D15 · 26-05-2021 09:53PM

ionnn wrote: »

105 minute rule is just laughable, can anyone justify its purpose?

I believe its purpose is to make politicians - in the absence of positive ideas for the country such as on job creation - feel that they are still doing something. Even if that something is useless.

It has the added bonus that later they can amend the limit to 120 minutes making them feel very busy.

prunudo · 26-05-2021 09:57PM

celt262 wrote: »

Get more paying customers through the door.

Absolutely, but that should be decided by the individual buisnesses not by people hiding behind health laws to make up rules as they go along.

26-05-2021 09:59PM

A husband and wife with two kids - that's a table done. They could meet their in-laws - chuck in two more parents and a couple more kids. Then maybe the grand parents. F*king hell lads, it's a good idea to allow family members to meet up without having to worry about "The Stasi."

Graham · 26-05-2021 10:16PM

ionnn wrote: »

I cant see how anyone can say 105 minutes is somehow fine but 110 is to dangerous

who said that?

gozunda · 26-05-2021 10:18PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Indeed but its not what people are being told at the centres

People? I've been and was given a booklet which contained the same info as above.

bear1 · 26-05-2021 10:25PM

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/holohan-positive-on-covid-outlook-but-warns-on-indian-variant-as-varadkar-raises-fear-of-fourth-wave-at-fine-gael-meeting-40473909.html

Well sweet Jesus and Lucifer we are at it again.

Sobit1964 · 26-05-2021 10:35PM

Lads its only a little bit longer - just remember that every extra day, every extra odd ball rule, every extra 'careful now', every extra 1930s style trust the dear leader post, are just building energy in the eventual reverse swing of the pendulum.

Its glorious to watch Boris and his gimp boy Hancock get savaged from all angles in the UK. The same is happening on the continent, and today we are starting to see rumblings in the eternally sleepy emerald isle. Its starting to look more and more grim for these political cockwombles who thought that they might come out of this with the same shimmering respect that actual nurses and doctors deserve.

After everything that's been lost, its a small happiness that those who strode so tall on the backs of everyone may now get trampled into the dirt.

bear1 · 26-05-2021 10:37PM

The fact you're hearing members of their own parties now lash out at the madness of it all made me smile.
I'm really not sure how much longer the government can hold on before the revolts get louder but Friday will be critical for them.

Fighting Irish · 26-05-2021 11:10PM

I'm fully vaccinated #pfizer, if I go to Germany, do I have to hotel quarantine on my arrival back to Ireland?

Dickie10 · 26-05-2021 11:26PM

lads when you hear Richard Bruton of all men have misgivings as he said himself about some of these rules, you know the game is up. Friday could see skin and hair flying, rememeber as Uncle Albert famously said "its the little things that trip you up".......government could collapse over a row about time spent in a pub!

stephenjmcd · 26-05-2021 11:28PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

lads when you hear Richard Bruton of all men have misgivings as he said himself about some of these rules, you know the game is up. Friday could see skin and hair flying, rememeber as Uncle Albert famously said "its the little things that trip you up".......government could collapse over a row about time spent in a pub!

The government could collapse over a row about pubs.... spoiler for ya Dickie, they won't

hamburgham · 26-05-2021 11:37PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

lads when you hear Richard Bruton of all men have misgivings as he said himself about some of these rules, you know the game is up. Friday could see skin and hair flying, rememeber as Uncle Albert famously said "its the little things that trip you up".......government could collapse over a row about time spent in a pub!

About time he said something. His constituency has thousands dependent on the aviation industry and there hasn’t been a squeak out of him.Goner next time if he stands.

Graham · 26-05-2021 11:40PM

bear1 wrote: »

The fact you're hearing members of their own parties now lash out at the madness of it all made me smile.

Job done for those members then.

charlie14 · 26-05-2021 11:41PM

normanoffside wrote: »

From this timeline there seems to be a huge push against Martin from within his party

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1397622651703676928

Sounds more like somebody in FF is bored with John Mc Guinness running away with their contrarian of the year award each year, and has put up a few quid to make it more of a contest. Mc Sharry the younger will give Mc Guinness a good run for it.

Marcusm · 26-05-2021 11:44PM

normanoffside wrote: »

From this timeline there seems to be a huge push against Martin from within his party

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1397622651703676928

In fairness, it just shows how ineffective Marc McSharry is compared to his father. He’s on the outside of his party’s inner circle but is lashing out will have no effect. See Barry Cowen and Jim O’Callaghan for further proof. One or all of them may ultimately wield the knife against MM but none will ever wear the crown.

normanoffside · 26-05-2021 11:44PM

bear1 wrote: »

The fact you're hearing members of their own parties now lash out at the madness of it all made me smile.
I'm really not sure how much longer the government can hold on before the revolts get louder but Friday will be critical for them.

This is a very apt summary of it all (granted she is complicit having voted with restrictions all the way)

https://twitter.com/JRD0000/status/1397681537420771330

KrustyUCC · 26-05-2021 11:56PM

interesting thinking from Leo

"Earlier in the meeting, Mr Varadkar said the Government would announce on Friday what restrictions would be in place in June and July and that the aim was to get back to Level 2 where the country was at last summer before restrictions were reimposed in August.

Under Level 2 restrictions, the majority of areas of economy and society - for example, schools, restaurants, pubs and gyms – are open with controlled indoor gatherings of up to 100 people allowed and 200 at outdoor gatherings.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/holohan-positive-on-covid-outlook-but-warns-on-indian-variant-as-varadkar-raises-fear-of-fourth-wave-at-fine-gael-meeting-40473909.html

That level 2 from last year is level one in the plan this year

100 people indoors with a pretty much fully vaccinated country is not very ambitious and is pitifully low

200 at matches is brutal when you have 500 over the border in the North

26-05-2021 11:57PM

Graham wrote: »

who said that?

Have you not visited this thread before Graham. Getting angry at stuff no one said is half the content

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings