Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

PTH2009

KrustyUCC wrote: »

interesting thinking from Leo

"Earlier in the meeting, Mr Varadkar said the Government would announce on Friday what restrictions would be in place in June and July and that the aim was to get back to Level 2 where the country was at last summer before restrictions were reimposed in August.

Under Level 2 restrictions, the majority of areas of economy and society - for example, schools, restaurants, pubs and gyms – are open with controlled indoor gatherings of up to 100 people allowed and 200 at outdoor gatherings.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/holohan-positive-on-covid-outlook-but-warns-on-indian-variant-as-varadkar-raises-fear-of-fourth-wave-at-fine-gael-meeting-40473909.html

That level 2 from last year is level one in the plan this year

100 people indoors with a pretty much fully vaccinated country is not very ambitious and is pitifully low

200 at matches is brutal when you have 500 over the border in the North

no wonder i panic a bit hearing that ****e

What's the point in vaccines if they will still impose the same restrictions with them as they did without

GT89

Watching the Europa League final tonight with a group of mates and fans in the ground we all completely forgot covid was a thing then a covid prevention ad by the HSE came on at half time and we all remembered we lived in Ireland and our government was still banging the covid drum.

gozunda

KrustyUCC wrote: »

interesting thinking from Leo

"Earlier in the meeting, Mr Varadkar said the Government would announce on Friday what restrictions would be in place in June and July and that the aim was to get back to Level 2 where the country was at last summer before restrictions were reimposed in August.

Under Level 2 restrictions, the majority of areas of economy and society - for example, schools, restaurants, pubs and gyms – are open with controlled indoor gatherings of up to 100 people allowed and 200 at outdoor gatherings.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/holohan-positive-on-covid-outlook-but-warns-on-indian-variant-as-varadkar-raises-fear-of-fourth-wave-at-fine-gael-meeting-40473909.html

That level 2 from last year is level one in the plan this year

100 people indoors with a pretty much fully vaccinated country is not very ambitious and is pitifully low

200 at matches is brutal when you have 500 over the border in the North

Just relax. We'll get there. We know that North is well ahead of us with regard to vaccinations. We'll get there too

GT89

I hear restaurants are struggling for business in the UK since they've reopened. MSM would tell you it's because people are too scared of the Indian variant but I see too reasons people don't like being treated like walking biohazards when they go out to eat and more importantly people don't have the money anymore after the economic destruction of 2020/21.

Graham

PTH2009 wrote: »

What's the point in vaccines if they will still impose the same restrictions with them as they did without

The vaccination program hasn't finished yet.

GT89

GT89 wrote: »

I hear restaurants are struggling for business in the UK since they've reopened. MSM would tell you it's because people are too scared of the Indian variant but I see too reasons people don't like being treated like walking biohazards when they go out to eat and more importantly people don't have the money anymore after the economic destruction of 2020/21.

I doubt it is too much to do with money. In most areas. Don't forget a sizeable proportion of the population has actually benefited financially from lockdown in that working from home saves money compared to commuting and buying your lunch out.

If I had to guess what's causing it for the past year, our media has pumped out a narrative of constant fear and doom and people are simply too afraid at the moment to venture out.

aziz

Deleted User wrote: »

I doubt it is too much to do with money. In most areas. Don't forget a sizeable proportion of the population has actually benefited financially from lockdown in that working from home saves money compared to commuting and buying your lunch out.

If I had to guess what's causing it for the past year, our media has pumped out a narrative of constant fear and doom and people are simply too afraid at the moment to venture out.

No people aren’t afraid,it just the whole fun of going out has been destroyed ☹️

Penfailed

GT89 wrote: »

I hear restaurants are struggling for business in the UK since they've reopened. MSM would tell you it's because people are too scared of the Indian variant but I see too reasons people don't like being treated like walking biohazards when they go out to eat and more importantly people don't have the money anymore after the economic destruction of 2020/21.

I hear restaurants are busier than ever in the UK since they've reopened.

emo72

Graham wrote: »

The vaccination program hasn't finished yet.

The "at risk, the sick, the old, the vulnerable" have had at least one jab. Healthy people down to 50 have had one. Healthy people in their 40s have started to get them.

What. The. ****. Are. We. Waiting. For.

gozunda

emo72 wrote: »

The "at risk, the sick, the old, the vulnerable" have had at least one jab. Healthy people down to 50 have had one. Healthy people in their 40s have started to get them.

What. The. ****. Are. We. Waiting. For.

As you say most people have received just one jab. But yes they're are numbers in all the above cohorts who haven't but more importantly we know one dose of vaccine with the exception of Janssen does not equate to immediate immunity.

That aside - we're rolling back restrictions at an equivalent vaccination rate as the UK. Atm they're ahead of us by 1-2 months atm.

We'll have outdoor service for pubs, outdoor dining for restaurants and the opening of hotels very shortly in early June.

Not sure why some wouod expect the doors to be thrown open just because...

prunudo

gozunda wrote: »

As you say most people have received just one jab. But yes they're are numbers in all the above cohorts who haven't but more importantly we know one dose of vaccine with the exception of Janssen does not equate to immediate immunity.

That aside - we're rolling back restrictions at an equivalent vaccination rate as the UK. Atm they're ahead of us by 1-2 months atm.

We'll have outdoor service for pubs, outdoor dining for restaurants and the opening of hotels very shortly in early June.

Not sure why some wouod expect the doors to be thrown open just because...

I know they started before us but given their reliance on AZ are we not catching up with them when it comes to fully vaccinated % of population. I think they are currently only vaccinating the low 30s with first jab so they're not that far ahead of us now.

CruelSummer

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/we-are-going-back-too-fast-plan-for-15-to-dine-at-a-single-table-very-risky-warn-scientists-40474391.html

The esteemed Prof Staines from ISAG screaming for us to stop reopening. Too fast, fear, scare, Indian variant. They’re really out in force over the last few days with the media onslaught.
They all seem to forget we reopened last summer with no vaccine and we’re reopening this summer coming up on 50% of the adult population getting their first dose of the vaccine. Ireland didn’t follow the U.K. in spacing out between first & second shots with the RNA vaccines and will have more fully vaccinated as a result in due course.
Another tiny detail being ignored by Staines and others are hospitalisations and ICU are low

Lord Trollington

Genuine Question.

Is there any epidemiological reason why they are mentioning a 4th wave in Winter.

I mean by then the country as a whole should be vaccinated. Are they saying that the vaccines don't work? Are they saying that they are ineffective or long periods?

Are they worried about another variant? If so, which one.


They are making these claims without any basis from what I can see other than to strike fear and retain control. Jim Corr is rightly labelled a looney for similar.

Is there a scientific reason to make these claims or am missing something .

CruelSummer

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Genuine Question.

Is there any epidemiological reason why they are mentioning a 4th wave in Winter.

I mean by then the country as a whole should be vaccinated. Are they saying that the vaccines don't work? Are they saying that they are ineffective or long periods?

Are they worried about another variant? If so, which one.


They are making these claims without any basis from what I can see other than to strike fear and retain control. Jim Corr is rightly labelled a looney for similar.

Is there a scientific reason to make these claims or am missing something .

It’s the variant issue in my opinion. I think with seasonality they expect Covid to arrive in new waves in the Autumn / Winter. To be honest, I think they’re right that it will come back. But I expect vaccines to protect those most vulnerable from severe disease at worst or from having any symptoms at best. Based on the situation with current variants.
We can’t stay locked down or closed on the assumption that a new variant will come along that might evade vaccines altogether because we just don’t know, no variant has to date either.

It’s unreasonable to suggest to the Irish population who’ve had the longest lockdown in Europe and are now getting vaccinated to stall the never ending reopening. Any scientist suggesting we wait until Autumn knows full well seasonality might affect things then too.

Boggles

normanoffside wrote: »

Well it’s finally happening. FF TD’s calling for. NPHET to be disbanded.

No, no, he has changed his mind with a quite bizarre follow up.

https://twitter.com/PaulMcauliffe/status/1397604426685296644

Government TD calls for NPHET to be wound down as NPHET wind down and restrictions to be eased as restrictions are eased.

Why isn't this opportunist genius in cabinet?

gmisk

GT89 wrote: »

I hear restaurants are struggling for business in the UK since they've reopened. MSM would tell you it's because people are too scared of the Indian variant but I see too reasons people don't like being treated like walking biohazards when they go out to eat and more importantly people don't have the money anymore after the economic destruction of 2020/21.

From who?
I know people who live in Manchester and London and the restaurants are absolutely jointed. I am heading to belfast in June and it is almost impossible to get a booking in some places.
"Walking biohazards"....absolute nonsense.

gmisk

prunudo wrote: »

I know they started before us but given their reliance on AZ are we not catching up with them when it comes to fully vaccinated % of population. I think they are currently only vaccinating the low 30s with first jab so they're not that far ahead of us now.

We are still pretty far behind.

NI is flying.
70 percent of adults first jab and over 40 percent with two.

RTE news : Vaccine portal for over 18s opens in Northern Ireland

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0527/1224161-coronavirus-northern-ireland/

Chivito550

BigMo1 wrote: »

I tell you one thing, trying to arrange a wedding in this mess is a complete sh!tshow.

I hear ya. We were supposed to get married January 2022 which we thought would be loads of time. A few months back we said feck it and moved it back to August 2022. Just can't be dealing with the stress of a winter wedding with these idiots running our country.

Boggles

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Its glorious to watch Boris and his gimp boy Hancock get savaged from all angles in the UK.

Some of it sounds eerily familiar.

Mr Cummings made a series of allegations against his former boss Boris Johnson, including:

He dismissed the emerging coronavirus as "the new swine flu" and "just a scare story" - and pledged to be injected "live on TV with the virus so everyone realises it's nothing to be frightened of'"

prunudo

gmisk wrote: »

We are still pretty far behind.

NI is flying.
70 percent of adults first jab and over 40 percent with two.

RTE news : Vaccine portal for over 18s opens in Northern Ireland

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0527/1224161-coronavirus-northern-ireland/

Yeah, I see that now. I was going off a news report I saw on BBC breakfast yesterday morning, must have picked it up wrong.

Saying that, we will seemingly have 50% of adults with one jab this week so we're still making good progress.

Edit:- just double checked, it was in England that they are now offering 30 and 31 yr olds their first vaccine. Can get confusing when they change between UK and regional reporting of figures.

FlubberJones

Saw that in Cardiff they have a walk in vaccine centre open, no need for an appointment. Wales doing very well also

Boggles

Lord Trollington wrote: »

They are making these claims without any basis from what I can see other than to strike fear and retain control. Jim Corr is rightly labelled a looney for similar.

TBF Jim would be pushing the latter part of your claim.

Short answer, anyone claiming to know exactly what will happen is a bullshít artist.

It was always going to be a case in the short term of mass vaccinations and then test for the winter, evaluate in the Spring.

_Kaiser_

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/we-are-going-back-too-fast-plan-for-15-to-dine-at-a-single-table-very-risky-warn-scientists-40474391.html

The esteemed Prof Staines from ISAG screaming for us to stop reopening. Too fast, fear, scare, Indian variant. They’re really out in force over the last few days with the media onslaught.
They all seem to forget we reopened last summer with no vaccine and we’re reopening this summer coming up on 50% of the adult population getting their first dose of the vaccine. Ireland didn’t follow the U.K. in spacing out between first & second shots with the RNA vaccines and will have more fully vaccinated as a result in due course.
Another tiny detail being ignored by Staines and others are hospitalisations and ICU are low

Gerry Killeen on NT earlier still pushing hysteria (reckons it'll take "a few years" to get past it), and "long Covid" :rolleyes:

Klonker

gmisk wrote: »

We are still pretty far behind.

NI is flying.
70 percent of adults first jab and over 40 percent with two.

RTE news : Vaccine portal for over 18s opens in Northern Ireland

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0527/1224161-coronavirus-northern-ireland/

There is only a month in it in terms of vaccination rates between Ireland and UK countries. Restrictions wise there is probably 2+ months in the difference.

Northern Ireland are allowing 500 fans at GAA matches this weekend, down here we are planning to have a pilot on live events in early July. In door dining opened now in the North and we are hearing from Taoiseach that we'll have mid July if lucky with more restrictions on top.

But others will come on here and say we are in line with easing of restrictions. Same people were saying when UK announced their easing plans that its way to ambitious and would never work.

Boggles

Klonker wrote: »

There is only a month in it in terms of vaccination rates between Ireland and UK countries. Restrictions wise there is probably 2+ months in the difference.

Northern Ireland are allowing 500 fans at GAA matches this weekend, down here we are planning to have a pilot on live events in early July. In door dining opened now in the North and we are hearing from Taoiseach that we'll have mid July if lucky with more restrictions on top.

But others will come on here and say we are in line with easing of restrictions. Same people were saying when UK announced their easing plans that its way to ambitious and would never work.

Relative to vaccine rollout we have been ahead of the UK in reopening.

This isn't my opinion.

Boggles

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Gerry Killeen on NT earlier still pushing hysteria (reckons it'll take "a few years" to get past it), and "long Covid" :rolleyes:

The doctor in charge of NHS England's response to Long COVID has told Sky News that specialist clinics to treat the condition may be needed for "much longer" than current funding allows.

The chair of the National Long COVID Taskforce, Dr Kiren Collison, said the service, which has already been used by thousands of patients, could be needed beyond April next year.

We recognise this is a condition where the symptoms can be quite prolonged and we've already seen that from the patients who got Long COVID a year ago, some people are still suffering, so there is that sort of time frame to bare in mind

If only Doctor Collison would stop treating patients and read this thread.

Fortune saved.

Lord Trollington

CruelSummer wrote: »

It’s the variant issue in my opinion. I think with seasonality they expect Covid to arrive in new waves in the Autumn / Winter. To be honest, I think they’re right that it will come back. But I expect vaccines to protect those most vulnerable from severe disease at worst or from having any symptoms at best. Based on the situation with current variants.
We can’t stay locked down or closed on the assumption that a new variant will come along that might evade vaccines altogether because we just don’t know, no variant has to date either.

It’s unreasonable to suggest to the Irish population who’ve had the longest lockdown in Europe and are now getting vaccinated to stall the never ending reopening. Any scientist suggesting we wait until Autumn knows full well seasonality might affect things then too.

Honestly. At some stage we need to just get on with life.

We've spent absolute billions on this and will into the future, and to what end? Fear every Autumn/Winter.

Lockdowns and restrictions indefinitely?

Silentcorner

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Gerry Killeen on NT earlier still pushing hysteria (reckons it'll take "a few years" to get past it), and "long Covid" :rolleyes:

He was the one predicting "freezer trucks full of bodies" and "mass graves" last September.

A disgrace of a man.

There needs to be an independent investigation into a lot of what the public have been exposed to with these "experts" and our media...

I won't be holding my breath of course!!!

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

He was the one predicting "freezer trucks full of bodies" and "mass graves" last September.

A disgrace of a man.

There needs to be an independent investigation into a lot of what the public have been exposed to with these "experts" and our media...

I won't be holding my breath of course!!!

Independent investigations into what private individuals say, hmmm

ilovesmybrick

Chivito550 wrote: »

I hear ya. We were supposed to get married January 2022 which we thought would be loads of time. A few months back we said feck it and moved it back to August 2022. Just can't be dealing with the stress of a winter wedding with these idiots running our country.

You're right too. We pushed from 2020 to October 2021. Last Summer I was completely convinced that we would be fine by then...Now we're just hopeful that we can fly home in September to see family for the first time since 2019..