Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

ecoli3136 wrote: »

No.

83 organisations within the NH have been identified by the NHS as offering post-Covid assessment services to people who believe they have long-Covid (which no one sensible would doubt exists as a possible post-infection complication).

https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/post-covid-syndrome-long-covid/

You mean clinics?

timmyntc

Deleted User wrote: »

Lies?

They have an alternative interpretation. It doesn't make it lies.

I get that the thread believes the country is living on every word uttered by Killeen and ISAG, but they are an irrelevance to 90% of the country and to those actually making decisions. In truth, this thread is the only place I see most of what comes from that group as the search for something to get angry about is relentless

Alternative facts - where have I heard that one before.
Blatant misinformation needs to be challenged - we're forever hearing about how it needs to be tackled on social media, but then ISAG come out with ridiculous claims with no scientific merit, on national broadcaster no less, there is not so much as a fact check.

Hardly a witch hunt to want same standards applied here.

VinLieger

Deleted User wrote: »

You will never find a post of mine supporting or praising Gerry Killeen or ISAG. Doesn't mean a witch-hunt is the answer so some can satisfy a need for a "culprit" to "blame" for everything

Every member of ISAG absolutely should be tarred and feathered for their ends justify the means attitude.

Their emails showed they were willing to lie to the taoiseach, mislead the public about the vaccine rollout and target their critics with harassment all to push their own self important zero covid agenda,

Their names should be mud with every media platform be it print, radio or television.

PhoneMain

Deleted User wrote: »

Lies?

They have an alternative interpretation. It doesn't make it lies.

I get that the thread believes the country is living on every word uttered by Killeen and ISAG, but they are an irrelevance to 90% of the country and to those actually making decisions. In truth, this thread is the only place I see most of what comes from that group as the search for something to get angry about is relentless

I'm a doctor. I've watched multiple webinars (national and international) and tried to keep up to date with the latest information from my representative body.........not once in that time has there been input from Luke O'Neill, Sam McConkey, Gerry Killeen, Anthony Staines, Aoife McLysaght etc They may be saturating the press but they are having absolutely no impact on the Covid discussion by medics. And while I may listen to what Sam McConkey (an ID consultant tho there are more than 1 of them in the country!) and Anthony Staines (a public health consultant tho there are also more than 1 of them in the country!) have to say, I pay no heed to Tomas Ryan or Gerry Killeen as they are not qualified to discuss it.

prunudo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can we have in inquisition enquiry in to the purveyors of misinformation littering social media and being regurgitated by gullible fools as well?

Depends how broad you want to make its remit. But a private citizen sharing a dubious post on Facebook won't have the same audience as 'experts' going unchallenged on current affairs programmes on both radio and tv as has been the case over the last 15 months.

PhoneMain

prunudo wrote: »

Depends how broad you want to make its remit. But a private citizen sharing a dubious post on Facebook won't have the same audience as 'experts' going unchallenged on current affairs programmes on both radio and tv over the last 15 months.

What about a private citizen like Ivor Cummins misrepresenting informations and is proporting himself to be an expert and has a large twitter following?

CruelSummer

DellyBelly wrote: »

Currently listening to Claire Byrne show and it sounds very negative. I must say over the ladt few weeks I was feeling very positive about things but this has me feeling very anxious.

Turn off Claire Byrne, she's been a disgrace for the last two weeks trying to voice the ISAG anxiety and scare tactics with no science behind it. Trying to scare people into submission, mandatory quarantine from UK, reopening too fast, blah blah.

Le Bruise

CruelSummer wrote: »

Turn off Claire Byrne, she's been a disgrace for the last two weeks trying to voice the ISAG anxiety and scare tactics with no science behind it. Trying to scare people into submission, mandatory quarantine from UK, reopening too fast, blah blah.

Unfortunately, she's been a willing soap box for ISAG for a lot longer than 2 weeks!

robbiezero

CruelSummer wrote: »

Turn off Claire Byrne, she's been a disgrace for the last two weeks trying to voice the ISAG anxiety and scare tactics with no science behind it. Trying to scare people into submission, mandatory quarantine from UK, reopening too fast, blah blah.

I stopped watching that clown about a year ago. The last one I watched, she was doing a feature on her show on living conditions and Covid.
Of course that idiot McConkey was on it - They were looking a peoples living conditions. Some of the rooms were about the size of a kennel with 6 people living in them, they would show a few clips of it, she would turn to McConkey and he would dolefully shake his head and spout "Ohhhh, that would be very bad for Covid".
Was like a comedy sketch. That was it for me.

Silentcorner

robbiezero wrote: »

I stopped watching that clown about a year ago. The last one I watched, she was doing a feature on her show on living conditions and Covid.
Of course that idiot McConkey was on it - They were looking a peoples living conditions. Some of the rooms were about the size of a kennel with 6 people living in them, they would show a few clips of it, she would turn to McConkey and he would dolefully shake his head and spout "Ohhhh, that would be very bad for Covid".
Was like a comedy sketch. That was it for me.

They are always at that on the show....

If she is talking about a subject she has to pick up an object that is pertinent to that subject....if she is talking about Golfing restrictions she has to pick up a golf club!!!

It's the first time I've seen a current affairs program so blatantly assume their audience are as thick as a ditch!!

It's a current affairs program for idiots!!

prunudo

PhoneMain wrote: »

What about a private citizen like Ivor Cummins misrepresenting informations and is proporting himself to be an expert and has a large twitter following?

I'm not sure how much influence the authorities have over the social media platforms but at minimum the companies themselves should be doing more to ensure what is posted is accurate.
At least with the broadcast media the bai should be keeping them in check although thats debatable at times.

bear1

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/health-minister-still-to-get-his-covid-19-vaccine-as-itsunclear-if-ireland-will-hit-june-jab-target-40475334.html

You'd think he'd have been one of the first..

Lumen

bear1 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/health-minister-still-to-get-his-covid-19-vaccine-as-itsunclear-if-ireland-will-hit-june-jab-target-40475334.html

You'd think he'd have been one of the first..

The HSE did a risk assessment and determined that the consequences of him getting floored by COVID would be net positive.

timmyntc

timmyntc wrote: »

Alternative facts - where have I heard that one before.
Blatant misinformation needs to be challenged - we're forever hearing about how it needs to be tackled on social media, but then ISAG come out with ridiculous claims with no scientific merit, on national broadcaster no less, there is not so much as a fact check.

Hardly a witch hunt to want same standards applied here.

Two people can look at the same data and have two different conclusions.

Its not like they were claiming its just a flu or herd immunity was reached in April last year or something equally ridiculous

prunudo

prunudo wrote: »

Depends how broad you want to make its remit. But a private citizen sharing a dubious post on Facebook won't have the same audience as 'experts' going unchallenged on current affairs programmes on both radio and tv as has been the case over the last 15 months.

Was talking to the purveyors of misinformation and not their gullible patsy's

charlie14

Klonker wrote: »

There is only a month in it in terms of vaccination rates between Ireland and UK countries. Restrictions wise there is probably 2+ months in the difference.

Northern Ireland are allowing 500 fans at GAA matches this weekend, down here we are planning to have a pilot on live events in early July. In door dining opened now in the North and we are hearing from Taoiseach that we'll have mid July if lucky with more restrictions on top.

But others will come on here and say we are in line with easing of restrictions. Same people were saying when UK announced their easing plans that its way to ambitious and would never work.

I have said we are in line with the easing of UK restrictions and I have not seen anyone who said similar saying it was way to ambitious.
The UK opened outdoor dining on April 12th. We are doing so on 7th. June two months later.

The 7th June was the estimated date where we would be at the same level of vaccination as the UK were on April 12th. Around 50% of their total population having received one dose. Not 50% of their adult populationhaving received one dose

We are presently at around 50% of our adult population having received one dose, which is around 40% of our total population.
By June 7th.we will be at the same vaccination level of first doses as the UK were on 12th April. 50% of our total population.

KanyeSouthEast

Boggles wrote: »

Have you made a complaint?

Because that's how it works.

https://www.bai.ie/en/viewers-listeners/complaints/

What’s your own view on Killeen?

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

Two people can look at the same data and have two different conclusions.

Its not like they were claiming its just a flu or herd immunity was reached in April last year or something equally ridiculous

Ya, but nobody seems willing to look at the 2 six week surges the data so blatantly reveals....wonder why?

Let me guess, India? Or Variants?

You are another one who has never named a single expert, that has been allowed exposure on national airwaves....maybe you will now.

Name one expert who you believe has consistently shown themselves to be accurate in their predictions or their interpretation of data?

You're quick to insult anyone with an alternate interpretation of the data we can all see!!!

Boggles

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

What’s your own view on Killeen?

Killeen certainly deserves respect, as he hasn't spent his life in a classroom or lab, he has years of experience 'out in the field'.

But it became very evident very fast that Gerry had injected himself one too many times with what he was trying to cure.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ya, but nobody seems willing to look at the 2 six week surges the data so blatantly reveals....wonder why?

Lest me guess, India? Or Variants?

You are another one who has never named a single expert, that has been allowed exposure on national airwaves....maybe you will now.

Name one expert who you believe has consistently shown themselves to be accurate in their predictions or their interpretation of data?

You're quick to insult anyone with an alternate interpretation of the data we can all see!!!

Have you heard of the this revolutionary concept - its called cause and effect.

charlie14

MOH wrote: »

I've been curious to see a study that did comparisons with people who haven't had covid.

Most people I know have experienced some level of "covid brain" over the last 6 months. Plus increased fatigue. So either we've all had covid without knowing it, or it's down to ongoing stress and anxiety, reduced exercise, reduced interactions with other people and repetitive daily routines.

There were a lot of figures being bandied around (mostly by the naturally acquired herd immunity advocates and some grifters from the scientific community) during the earlier stages of this pandemic as to the percentages of people who had contracted Covid-19 without knowing it, and would thus be immune.
Subsequent antibody test results and the numbers of new confirmed cases showed that for the nonsense it was.

VinLieger

bear1 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/health-minister-still-to-get-his-covid-19-vaccine-as-itsunclear-if-ireland-will-hit-june-jab-target-40475334.html

You'd think he'd have been one of the first..

They decided cabinet would go into the queue like everyone else cus of optics, personally i think it was a mistake and cabinet should have been vaccinated along with frontline. In hindsight none of them got it that we know of and they were just lucky, i still think it was not the correct decision

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you heard of the this revolutionary concept - its called cause and effect.

So you can't name an expert that has been given undue influence and exposure on national media, 14 months into this absolute mess.

Please refrain from insulting those with an alternate opinion on the data that we can all see.

What we can't see is anybody that isn't predicting disaster or danger allowed on national media....

And yet you still can't bring yourself to understand how our ridiculously slow and ultra conservative re opening that is impeding a huge number of people...don't be throwing out cause and effect concepts when your lack of self awareness is that blatant.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

Killeen certainly deserves respect, as he hasn't spent his life in a classroom or lab, he has years of experience 'out in the field'.

But it became very evident very fast that Gerry had injected himself one too many times with what he was trying to cure.

Typical double speak...predictable really.

charlie14

VinLieger wrote: »

They decided cabinet would go into the queue like everyone else cus of optics, personally i think it was a mistake and cabinet should have been vaccinated along with frontline. In hindsight none of them got it that we know of and they were just lucky, i still think it was not the correct decision

If they had do you not think that many here would have been screaming blue murder, never mind the s**tstorm teachers and the likes would have raised.
In this instance for whatever the reason they didn`t get vaccinated same time as frontline staff, be it for optics or not, imo they got it right.

Fandymo

celt262 wrote: »

Get more paying customers through the door.

Nothing stopping any pub from telling customers tables are only available for 2 hour slots. Lots of restaurants did this before Covid.

charlie14

Silentcorner wrote: »

So you can't name an expert that has been given undue influence and exposure on national media, 14 months into this absolute mess.

Please refrain from insulting those with an alternate opinion on the data that we can all see.

What we can't see is anybody that isn't predicting disaster or danger allowed on national media....

And yet you still can't bring yourself to understand how our ridiculously slow and ultra conservative re opening that is impeding a huge number of people...don't be throwing out cause and effect concepts when your lack of self awareness is that blatant.

You were still peddling the beliefs of John P A Ioannidis here up to recently when even a cursory glance at his data would have shown you just how wrong he was.

Silentcorner

charlie14 wrote: »

You were still peddling the beliefs of John P A Ioannidis here up to recently when even a cursory glance at his data would have shown you just how wrong he was.

Name an expert who has correctly or was closest to predicting the death rate for this virus?

And what death rate did they predict?

VinLieger

charlie14 wrote: »

If they had do you not think that many here would have been screaming blue murder, never mind the s**tstorm teachers and the likes would have raised.
In this instance for whatever the reason they didn`t get vaccinated same time as frontline staff, be it for optics or not, imo they got it right.

They only got it right in hindsight, if the entire cabinet had caught it people would have been screaming blue murder as to why they hadnt been vaccinated. Imo its better to be safer than sorry and they took the populist route instead of the sensible one.

charlie14

Silentcorner wrote: »

Name an expert who has correctly or was closest to predicting the death rate for this virus?

And what death rate did they predict?

That is not really the point.

You have been arguing that those with alternative views should be listened too as well. I have no problem with that, but it does not give your argument a lot of credence when you have up until the last few days been pushing the alternative views of one "expert" in particular where even primary school level mathematics clearly shows how wrong this "expert" has been from a long way back.