Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

prunudo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Independent investigations into what private individuals say, hmmm

They can say what they like, we all can. The problem lies in how their opinions have gone unchallenged in the media and how much sway they have behind the scenes influencing government decisions. If there is nothing to hide I don't see the issue with asking questions or having an inquiry.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

He was the one predicting "freezer trucks full of bodies"

A hospital network in London, Ont., says it storing bodies in a mobile unit after its morgue reached capacity.

The London Health Sciences Centre says new processes due to the pandemic have meant more time is needed to secure arrangements for bodies.

It says that has led to the need for more interim "body holding solutions."

An ice rink in Madrid has been turned into a temporary morgue as Spain tries to cope with the fallout from its rapidly spreading coronavirus outbreak.

A French refrigerated hall belonging to the largest food market in Europe will be converted into a mortuary for people who have died from coronavirus

A German town has began storing its dead in a mobile freezer after space in hospital morgues ran out amid a surge in coronavirus fatalities

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Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

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Given you edited the post you quoted up to take out the words "last September" at the end perhaps you wouldn't mind dating the excerpts regarding mortuary arrangements you've pulled out to apparently take issue with that post would you?

Edit : oh look a reuters report of the ice rink in Madrid being used dated March 2020.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-morgue-idUSKBN21A35I

Edit again : wow the French refrigerated hall was identified for use as a mortuary back then too but by April 2020 "pressure was easing"

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200418-fall-in-french-coronavirus-deaths-eases-pressure-on-makeshift-morgue-at-rungis-market-hospital-admissions-down

Update: to be fair to Boggles and the Daily Mail the Daily Mail and Boggles both have the German town with a mobile unit in December 2020.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9064455/Germany-coronavirus-Dead-stored-temporary-freezer-morgues-overflow.html

And the story on the hospital in London, Ontario is from January 2021 (well done Boggles!)

https://www.cp24.com/news/london-ont-hospital-network-morgue-reaches-capacity-bodies-moved-to-mobile-unit-1.5254446?cache=yes#tabsTVListingsMon_tab3

I'll just put a quote from the article here for a bit of context as it is quite relevant:

"The London Health Sciences Centre says new processes due to the pandemic have meant more time is needed to secure arrangements for bodies.

It says that has led to the need for more interim "body holding solutions."

The hospital network says its morgue, which serves as a regional forensic pathology unit for southwestern Ontario, can hold up to 28 bodies at a time.

Chief information officer Glen Kearns says the use of a mobile unit is a temporary measure and one that is being used for the second time since the pandemic began.

He says the hospital network expects its morgue capacity issues to be resolved within days."

_Kaiser_

Boggles wrote: »

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I think you left out the Ireland example.....

Boggles

ecoli3136 wrote: »

Given you edited the post you quoted up to take out the words "last September" at the end perhaps you wouldn't mind dating the excerpts regarding mortuary arrangements you've pulled out to apparently take issue with that post would you?

Edit : oh look a reuters report of the ice rink in Madrid being used dated March 2020.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-morgue-idUSKBN21A35I

Edit again : wow the French refrigerated hall was identified for use as a mortuary back then too but by April 2020 "pressure was easing"

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200418-fall-in-french-coronavirus-deaths-eases-pressure-on-makeshift-morgue-at-rungis-market-hospital-admissions-down

You mean I referenced reality during this global pandemic, the one that was referenced?

How would you have done it?

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

Independent investigations into what private individuals say, hmmm

Another quality contribution there Raind....that'll go down well with the regular cohort.

A media company exposes the fear campaign of a number of "experts" that are now household names, despite being wildly inaccurate in their predictions.

You might have no issue with hysterical predictions being repeated in national media but it's not how a functioning society operates...unless, of course, you agree with him, that we were looking at freezer trucks full of bodies and mass graves...I urge you to look at the death rates from 2020 before you answer!!!

Klonker

Boggles wrote: »

Relative to vaccine rollout we have been ahead of the UK in reopening.

This isn't my opinion.

Not true just because you say it is.

How many doses per pop. had UK given out when outdoor dining/pubs open (without time limits)? How many will Ireland have given out by the 7th May?

Boggles

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I think you left out the Ireland example.....

No, we set them up too.

Thankfully though we didn't need to use them, being the most "suppressed nation" on the planet and all.

But that is a good thing, there is untold value in that, correct?

Boggles

Klonker wrote: »

Not true just because you say it is.

How many doses per pop. had UK given out when outdoor dining/pubs open (without time limits)? How many will Ireland have given out by the 7th May?

Again, it is not my opinion.

Relative to vaccine roll out we have been ahead of the UK in easing restrictions.

It has been fact checked and posted on the thread numerous times.

For example Retail opened in NI on the 30th of April, 17th of May here. Relative to roll out they were light years ahead of us.

We also had schools opened ahead of all the UK.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

You might have no issue with hysterical predictions being repeated in national media

Indeed, remember last summer when the herd immunity / pandemic is over loons were all over the place. Missing now mind you.

Would you like to see them hauled into a independent investigation on private individuals opinions?

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

You mean I referenced reality during this global pandemic, the one that was referenced?

How would you have done it?

Oh come on. Editing posts you quote, selectively carving out uncontextualised excerpts from undated articles where the date is important (because that's why you cut the date from the post you quoted).

And finally, letting the Canadian example stand as a similar instance to e.g. the situation in Spain back in April 2020 when it is no such thing.

That's just shoddy, misleading and dishonest. Unless you didn't bother reading or thinking about what you were posting which I accept is quite possible.

You're a very unreliable narrator.

Boggles

ecoli3136 wrote: »

Oh come on. Editing posts you quote, selectively carving out uncontextualised excerpts from undated articles where the date is important (because that's why you cut the date from the post you quoted).

And finally, letting the Canadian example stand as a similar instance to e.g. the situation in Spain back in April 2020 when it is no such thing.

That's just shoddy, misleading and dishonest. Unless you didn't bother reading or thinking about what you were posting which I accept is quite possible.

You're a very unreliable narrator.

So examples during the pandemic in relation to a quote made about the pandemic is unreliable?

Okay so.

When was the quote do you know?

Lumen

Klonker wrote: »

Not true just because you say it is.

How many doses per pop. had UK given out when outdoor dining/pubs open (without time limits)? How many will Ireland have given out by the 7th May?

I assume you mean 7th June.

On April 12th the UK were at 59 doses/100 population and 47.5% of the population with at least one dose.

We will be at around 56 doses and 40% some time next week, so I guess we'll be within a couple of days of where the UK was around the time we re-open outdoor dining.

If we re-opened earlier than June 7th we would almost certainly be running ahead of them relative to vaccination progress.

timmyntc

Lumen wrote: »

I assume you mean 7th June.

On April 12th the UK were at 59 doses/100 population and 47.5% of the population with at least one dose.

We will be at around 56 doses and 40% some time next week, so I guess we'll be within a couple of days of where the UK was around the time we re-open outdoor dining.

If we re-opened earlier than June 7th we would almost certainly be running ahead of them relative to vaccination progress.

Depends how you measure progress - doses/pop is one metric, but %pop with at least one dose is probably better as it gives an idea of how much population have at least some immunity/protection.

I'd say we are same if not ahead in doses/pop (in relation to opening milestones) but behind in %pop with 1+ dose.

DellyBelly

Currently listening to Claire Byrne show and it sounds very negative. I must say over the ladt few weeks I was feeling very positive about things but this has me feeling very anxious.

stephenjmcd

DellyBelly wrote: »

Currently listening to Claire Byrne show and it sounds very negative. I must say over the ladt few weeks I was feeling very positive about things but this has me feeling very anxious.

There's your first problem

DellyBelly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There's your first problem

ITs not her but her expert guests who are not painting a pretty picture.. Can't face another lockdown to be honest

OwenM

Gerry Killeen thinks it will be ok to open schools and universities in September, Gerry Killeen.

That's the fat lady singing, pandemic over in Ireland.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1k93vTDvd9HIxZRFwg9hwk?si=fde21d1b6b704b0a

Whatsisname

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Gerry Killeen on NT earlier still pushing hysteria (reckons it'll take "a few years" to get past it), and "long Covid" :rolleyes:

Long covid's a funny one. We used to call it post viral fatigue which you could get from any infection, now we've rebranded it and attributed every single condition under the sun to covid.

Interestingly enough a pre-print paper was released recently by a group of Germany scientists who looked into long covid in adolescents.

Methods Since May 2020 students grade 8-12 in fourteen secondary schools in Eastern Saxony were enrolled in the SchoolCovid19 study. Seroprevalence was assessed via serial SARS-CoV-2 antibody testing in all participants. Furthermore, during the March/April 2021 study visit all participants were asked to complete a 12 question Long-COVID19 survey regarding the occurrence and frequency of difficulties concentrating, memory loss, listlessness, headache, abdominal pain, myalgia/ arthralgia, fatigue, insomnia and mood (sadness, anger, happiness and tenseness).

Findings 1560 students with a median age of 15 years participated in this study. 1365 (88%) were seronegative, 188 (12%) were seropositive. Each symptom was present in at least 35% of the students within the last seven days before the survey. However, there was no statistical difference comparing the reported symptoms between seropositive students and seronegative students. Whether the infection was known or unknown to the participant did not influence the prevalence of symptoms.

Interpretation The lack of differences comparing the reported symptoms between seropositive and seronegative students suggests that Long-COVID19 might be less common than previously thought and emphasizing the impact of pandemic-associated symptoms regarding the well-being and mental health of young adolescents.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.11.21257037v1

And in other news Long Covid fatigue 'reduced with exercise programme'

Researchers in Leicester found a six-week rehabilitation programme helped long Covid patients with breathing problems, fatigue and "brain fog".

Nicola Geary, who struggled to walk after contracting Covid, said the programme had "helped immensely".

Professor Sally Singh, a cardiac specialist who led the research, called the results "encouraging".

The study, run by the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR) Leicester Biomedical Research Centre, followed 30 patients who took part in twice-weekly exercise at Glenfield Hospital in Leicester over a six-week period.

Researchers said they found a statistically significant improvement in exercise capacity, levels of fatigue and overall wellbeing.

They said this challenged concerns in the medical community that exercise therapy could exacerbate post-viral fatigue.

I don't doubt post viral fatigue or "long covid" exists for an unlucky few but I think it's been completely overblown and is there any surprise that people are suffering from classic anxiety symptoms from the perpetual fear mongering put out by the governments and media?

Lumen

timmyntc wrote: »

Depends how you measure progress - doses/pop is one metric, but %pop with at least one dose is probably better as it gives an idea of how much population have at least some immunity/protection.

I'd say we are same if not ahead in doses/pop (in relation to opening milestones) but behind in %pop with 1+ dose.

I included those statistics.

MOH

Whatsisname wrote: »

I don't doubt post viral fatigue or "long covid" exists for an unlucky few but I think it's been completely overblown and is there any surprise that people are suffering from classic anxiety symptoms from the perpetual fear mongering put out by the governments and media?

I've been curious to see a study that did comparisons with people who haven't had covid.

Most people I know have experienced some level of "covid brain" over the last 6 months. Plus increased fatigue. So either we've all had covid without knowing it, or it's down to ongoing stress and anxiety, reduced exercise, reduced interactions with other people and repetitive daily routines.

Boggles

Whatsisname wrote: »

I don't doubt post viral fatigue or "long covid" exists for an unlucky few but I think it's been completely overblown and is there any surprise that people are suffering from classic anxiety symptoms from the perpetual fear mongering put out by the governments and media?

And "underblown" apparently.

There NHS have set up 83 clinics so far to deal with and study it.

More than a few TBF.

But again the doctors dealing with it acknowledge it's novel and they have no way of gauging thus far the extent or possible universal treatments.

None just rolled their eyes of the notion of it, like OP you replied to.

M_Murphy57

OwenM wrote: »

Gerry Killeen thinks it will be ok to open schools and universities in September, Gerry Killeen.

That's the fat lady singing, pandemic over in Ireland.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1k93vTDvd9HIxZRFwg9hwk?si=fde21d1b6b704b0a

Govt also announced an end to pup by autumn.

That's the fat lady singing. We've bankrupted ourselves with our stupid "abundance of caution" .

prunudo

prunudo wrote: »

They can say what they like, we all can. The problem lies in how their opinions have gone unchallenged in the media and how much sway they have behind the scenes influencing government decisions. If there is nothing to hide I don't see the issue with asking questions or having an inquiry.

Can we have in inquisition enquiry in to the purveyors of misinformation littering social media and being regurgitated by gullible fools as well?

bear1

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/health-minister-still-hasnt-got-the-covid-19-vaccine-as-he-says-it-is-unclear-if-the-government-will-reach-its-vaccination-target-by-end-of-june-40475334.html

It would seem like every other day we are told the country is on track, then we aren't, then we are.
Now they are unsure.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Another quality contribution there Raind....that'll go down well with the regular cohort.

A media company exposes the fear campaign of a number of "experts" that are now household names, despite being wildly inaccurate in their predictions.

You might have no issue with hysterical predictions being repeated in national media but it's not how a functioning society operates...unless, of course, you agree with him, that we were looking at freezer trucks full of bodies and mass graves...I urge you to look at the death rates from 2020 before you answer!!!

You will never find a post of mine supporting or praising Gerry Killeen or ISAG. Doesn't mean a witch-hunt is the answer so some can satisfy a need for a "culprit" to "blame" for everything

timmyntc

Deleted User wrote: »

You will never find a post of mine supporting or praising Gerry Killeen or ISAG. Doesn't mean a witch-hunt is the answer so some can satisfy a need for a "culprit" to blame for everything

Hardly a witch-hunt. We have broadcasting standards for a reason, they should be enforced, and the scaremongering and lies from Killeen and others should be penalised. You should not be allowed go on national radio or television and come out with such blatant mistruths and have no accountability for it.

Boggles

timmyntc wrote: »

Hardly a witch-hunt. We have broadcasting standards for a reason, they should be enforced, and the scaremongering and lies from Killeen and others should be penalised. You should not be allowed go on national radio or television and come out with such blatant mistruths and have no accountability for it.

Have you made a complaint?

Because that's how it works.

https://www.bai.ie/en/viewers-listeners/complaints/

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

And "underblown" apparently.

There NHS have set up 83 clinics so far to deal with and study it.

No.

83 organisations within the NH have been identified by the NHS as offering post-Covid assessment services to people who believe they have long-Covid (which no one sensible would doubt exists as a possible post-infection complication).

https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/post-covid-syndrome-long-covid/

timmyntc

timmyntc wrote: »

Hardly a witch-hunt. We have broadcasting standards for a reason, they should be enforced, and the scaremongering and lies from Killeen and others should be penalised. You should not be allowed go on national radio or television and come out with such blatant mistruths and have no accountability for it.

Lies?

They have an alternative interpretation. It doesn't make it lies.

I get that the thread believes the country is living on every word uttered by Killeen and ISAG, but they are an irrelevance to 90% of the country and to those actually making decisions. In truth, this thread is the only place I see most of what comes from that group as the search for something to get angry about is relentless