Eurovision Song Contest 2021

feelings · 24-05-2021 10:06pm

But he did partake... and won.

fryup wrote: »

well in fairness he does look like the type who would partake

Definitely.... Give it to someone like Zara King or Luke O'Neill.

hotmail.com wrote: »

RTE need to give Marty the sack. He's so unsuited to the event, it's not even funny.

DebDynamite · 24-05-2021 10:16pm

fryup wrote: »

well in fairness he does look like the type who would partake

Well luckily, not only is he not the type to do coke on camera in front of hundreds of millions of people, he’s not the type to do drugs, full stop. Luckily he could produce a negative test to prove everyone wrong and redeem his character. But sure no matter, the permanently outraged will just move on to the next person they try and get cancelled.

It would be great if there was a concerted effort amongst radio stations, etc to play the song in a fight back against this trial by twitter.

hotmail.com · 24-05-2021 10:23pm

DebDynamite wrote: »

Well luckily, not only is he not the type to do coke on camera in front of hundreds of millions of people, he’s not the type to do drugs, full stop. Luckily he could produce a negative test to prove everyone wrong and redeem his character. But sure no matter, the permanently outraged will just move on to the next person they try and get cancelled.

It would be great if there was a concerted effort amongst radio stations, etc to play the song in a fight back against this trial by twitter.

There was hardly any outrage.

No one cared. What Twitter comments were you looking at?

DebDynamite · 24-05-2021 10:38pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

There was hardly any outrage.

No one cared. What Twitter comments were you looking at?

Are you for real? It was all over social media!

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 10:40pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Do you have some sort of hard-on against people saying negative things against cocaine?

You quoted me in the after hours thread too today. But arent you also the person who said (in After Hours):

Could it be that your own personal choice of recreational use is making you some what biased? :pac:

That’s what I said

Tilden Katz · 24-05-2021 10:43pm

DebDynamite wrote: »

Are you for real? It was all over social media!

People were mostly just amused at it on social media though. Just because it's trending doesn't mean people are outraged.

hotmail.com · 24-05-2021 10:47pm

DebDynamite wrote: »

Are you for real? It was all over social media!

People were laughing at it. I don't think many people cared.

patscott27 · 24-05-2021 10:53pm

Nancy Reagan said Just say no Kids

gussieg · 24-05-2021 11:03pm

It all comes down to..
we will never win again while the national song contest has been obliterated and hidden behind closed doors. it is just like Fire Saga- they dont want to have to host it or pay for it ever again.
you know the way like when you have someone over for dinner and they smash all your glasses and make faces behind your back and ride your dog round the house snort coke off your grannys handbag before you catch them by the scruff of the neck and say ' your taxi's outside- gwanawayb4iburstyayamalignantlilbollix!'
and wave them off saying...
Never again etc.

reap-a-rat · 24-05-2021 11:07pm

Does anyone think something along the lines of An Dreolín would do well for us? And I wonder if there'd be anyone interested in doing something like it. We Banjo 3 maybe? Could be a road worth going down. The generic pop shtick isn't our thing really.

bladespin · 24-05-2021 11:09pm

DebDynamite wrote: »

Are you for real? It was all over social media!

Master stroke by David, made news far beyond anything winning EV ever would have made, great publicity stunt, intended or otherwise.

patscott27 · 24-05-2021 11:10pm

Bring back the Castlebar International Song contest (Think San Remo but with ****e weather)

iffandonlyif · 24-05-2021 11:23pm

A few people have mentioned getting established acts to represent Ireland. It might surprise some to learn that only the singer is performing live; instruments are all pre-recorded. If for no other reason, I think that would discourage the likes of Fontaine’s DC.

AMKC · 24-05-2021 11:32pm

I am still in shock that Italy won. Don't get me wrong I am delighted for Italy but the song itself if it can even be called that was terrible just a load of noise. Greece were a thousand times better and so were Sweden, Malta and a few others. Portugal's, Frances, the Uks, Icelands, Isreals, Ukraine's and Russias songs do if they can even be called that were all terrible.

Fr Tod Umptious · 24-05-2021 11:37pm

patscott27 wrote: »

Bring back the Castlebar International Song contest (Think San Remo but with ****e weather)

BBC4 had a (repeated) documentary called Eurovision at 60 on Friday night.
Dana was on it and mentioned that Irish winners were winners because they were just songs, songs that were not written for Eurovision, just plain old good songs.
She even pointed out that Shay Healy was not even a song writer, he was a broadcaster.

And she was dead right, trying to engineer songs that have a certain style to fit Eurovision is a fools errand.
Plenty of good songs have won Eurovision in recent years because they were first and foremost good songs.

So with that in mind bring back the Castlebar International Song Contest, tell the entries that they are writing songs for a small contest and then spring it on the best Irish song that they are going to represent in Europe also.

delboy85 · 24-05-2021 11:39pm

I think The Netherlands did a great job staging the show under difficult circumstances.

Although I'm not a huge fan of the winning song, it's hard to begrudge Italy the win. They've consistently sent strong/diverse songs since their return 10 years ago. It was only a matter of time that they won.

Was pleasantly surprised with the final top 5 result overall.

As for Ireland going forward, I really don't know what the solution is. But I don't think Sinead O'Connor is the answer.

breezy1985 · 24-05-2021 11:40pm

Flying Fox wrote: »

The Italian singer tested negative.

https://eurovision.tv/mediacentre/release/ebu-statement-on-alleged-drug-use-at-eurovision-song-contest-2021

Hopefully that knocks it on the head now. Such a stupid thing to overshadow their win.

He was just miming doing a line in keeping with his band pretending to play their instruments to keep up the rock & roll persona

Jinglejangle69 · 24-05-2021 11:43pm

Can't believe people are falling for the negative drug story.

Jesus where have you people been hiding all your lives!!???

B.A._Baracus · 24-05-2021 11:45pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

That’s what I said

Cool bro.

RobertKK · 24-05-2021 11:55pm

I see myself in 10 years time still listening to Ukraine's song.

One of the best songs to not win the Eurovision.

25-05-2021 12:32am

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Can't believe people are falling for the negative drug story.

Jesus where have you people been hiding all your lives!!???

Can't believe you're naive enough to believe something you read off Twitter.

Have you seen the actual footage? His nostrils would need to have the power of a Dyson.

breezy1985 · 25-05-2021 12:40am

RobertKK wrote: »

I see myself in 10 years time still listening to Ukraine's song.

One of the best songs to not win the Eurovision.

Up there with Volare

North Cork Star · 25-05-2021 12:47am

Well done to Italy! It's a different song to most on Eurovision but having listened to it on loop on Spotify the last few days, it's a real head bopper. Their other songs are worth listening to too.

Just worth mentioning, the lead singer Damiano David of Maneskin is only 22 years of age. Born in 1999. Yes that also took me by surprise. Fair play to him, he's a real show man.

tobefrank321 · 25-05-2021 10:30am

Fair play to Italy, didn't think the song was great, but a win is long overdue for them. I think they abandoned eurovision for a few years but gave it another go.
The song and staging ticked a lot of boxes and appealed to the younger voters who probably make up a lot of the voters. Bit of kitsch thrown in. quirky. men wearing eye liner, always important in eurovision these days.

External Association · 25-05-2021 11:17am

RobertKK wrote: »

I see myself in 10 years time still listening to Ukraine's song.

One of the best songs to not win the Eurovision.

It's funny how we all perceive music. Personally I found that lady with the green feathers song one of the most bizarre pieces of rubbish I've ever seen watching 40 years of Eurovision. In my opinion it would easily make a top 20 most bizarre Eurovision entries of all time.

HeidiHeidi · 25-05-2021 11:21am

External Association wrote: »

It's funny how we all perceive music. Personally I found that lady with the green feathers song one of the most bizarre pieces of rubbish I've ever seen watching 40 years of Eurovision. In my opinion it would easily make a top 20 most bizarre Eurovision entries of all time.

I'm not sure I'd go quite that far..... There's been some outstanding garbage over the years that would leave her in the shade!!

(Germany's entry year being the most recent example! The Ariel "do you pod?" ad reimagined)

But I don't get the love for it at all!

odyssey06 · 25-05-2021 11:26am

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Fair play to Italy, didn't think the song was great, but a win is long overdue for them. I think they abandoned eurovision for a few years but gave it another go.
The song and staging ticked a lot of boxes and appealed to the younger voters who probably make up a lot of the voters. Bit of kitsch thrown in. quirky. men wearing eye liner, always important in eurovision these days.

It's called a Song contest but it isn't really... from the get go points by the jury have always been awarded based on the song, the performance, the staging.
The Switzerland entry won the award voted for by all the song composers so it might be the best 'song'.

With Italy staging the contest next year, I imagine their established artists will have an extra incentive for winning San Remo - I think in previous years the winners didn't always take up the Eurovision slot.

I think last year's Italian entry was a powerful performance also and would have done well ... virtually staged in an empty ampitheatre by Diodato

LennieB · 25-05-2021 11:51am

Irish Times today - "We’re a Eurovision flop – and we can’t blame the televoting. Here’s how Ireland can fight back"

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/we-re-a-eurovision-flop-and-we-can-t-blame-the-televoting-here-s-how-ireland-can-fight-back-1.4574035

fryup · 25-05-2021 12:59pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Britain seriously have to re-evaluate their financial contributions it’s getting ridiculous for them now

you know for a country that has given us the best pop/rock artists in the world their eurovision success has been very mediocre at best...how come they never sent Right said Fred, Rick Astley, Lisa Stansfield, Spice Girls etc etc...they have loads of singers & songwriters to choose from

the purple tin · 25-05-2021 1:19pm

fryup wrote: »

you know for a country that has given us the best pop/rock artists in the world their eurovision success has been very mediocre at best...how come they never sent Right said Fred, Rick Astley, Lisa Stansfield, Spice Girls etc etc...they have loads of singers & songwriters to choose from

They should be digging up the corny pop acts like Shampoo and Vanilla. The Europeans might like them and give a nostalgia vote.
Jedward did well for us so we should enter B-Witched or some crap like that

Elmo · 25-05-2021 2:19pm

LennieB wrote: »

Irish Times today - "We’re a Eurovision flop – and we can’t blame the televoting. Here’s how Ireland can fight back"

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/we-re-a-eurovision-flop-and-we-can-t-blame-the-televoting-here-s-how-ireland-can-fight-back-1.4574035

They didn’t love Maps enough to give it the kind of score that could have helped propel it through to Saturday night, however, with none of them awarding the song more than three points.

I think out of the songs that it was up against it did as well as it could have expected to do. (he does explain this further down)

Countries such as Austria, Portugal, the Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland could similarly have claimed to be victims of bloc voting until recent years, but all have achieved some success – indeed, a number of wins – in the past few years.

I think vote block voting is a thing, it won't win the Eurovision for you, but countries on the edges won't do as well, really no reason for Spain or the UK do do as badly as they did, their songs were mediocre and forgettable, but the blocvote cause them IMO to miss out on being higher up on the list. Beligum also from a televoting perspective.

25-05-2021 2:28pm

the purple tin wrote: »

They should be digging up the corny pop acts like Shampoo and Vanilla. The Europeans might like them and give a nostalgia vote.
Jedward did well for us so we should enter B-Witched or some crap like that

Eh, no. That's just more of the same old rubbish.

Send something vaguely contemporary that stands up as a song in its own right.

External Association · 25-05-2021 2:37pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I'm not sure I'd go quite that far..... There's been some outstanding garbage over the years that would leave her in the shade!!

(Germany's entry year being the most recent example! The Ariel "do you pod?" ad reimagined)

But I don't get the love for it at all!

The German entry wasn't as bad imo as the Ukrainian.

the purple tin · 25-05-2021 2:39pm

Flying Fox wrote: »

Eh, no. That's just more of the same old rubbish.

Send something vaguely contemporary that stands up as a song in its own right.

What about going down the trad/folk route?

patscott27 · 25-05-2021 2:56pm

the purple tin wrote: »

What about going down the trad/folk route?

Can't stop the spring Dervish brings me out in a rash when I hear it again. Not saying don't go down that route but in my opinion it was worse than Dustin.

the purple tin · 25-05-2021 3:01pm

patscott27 wrote: »

Can't stop the spring Dervish brings me out in a rash when I hear it again. Not saying don't go down that route but in my opinion it was worse than Dustin.

Maybe Enya? She is huge on the continent, we couldn't lose.

Oymyakon · 25-05-2021 3:04pm

the purple tin wrote: »

Maybe Enya? She is huge on the continent, we couldn't lose.

Johnny Logan is still huge in Denmark I believe!

patscott27 · 25-05-2021 3:05pm

the purple tin wrote: »

Maybe Enya? She is huge on the continent, we couldn't lose.

Maybe. How about Damian Dempsey?

25-05-2021 3:08pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I'm not sure I'd go quite that far..... There's been some outstanding garbage over the years that would leave her in the shade!!

(Germany's entry year being the most recent example! The Ariel "do you pod?" ad reimagined)

Funnily enough, the German song did somewhat better in the televote than the other three nul-pointers. UK, Spain and Netherlands were consistently in the bottom five of pretty much every country's televote, whereas Germany was more frequently ranked in the 14th-20th range; not popular enough to break into anyone's top ten but still performing better generally than the other zeroes did.

But it goes to show that even if your song is moderately well-liked, you're still heading for zero points unless you can get enough people who enjoy it enough to actually vote for it.

odyssey06 · 25-05-2021 3:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Funnily enough, the German song did somewhat better in the televote than the other three nul-pointers. UK, Spain and Netherlands were consistently in the bottom five of pretty much every country's televote, whereas Germany was more frequently ranked in the 14th-20th range; not popular enough to break into anyone's top ten but still performing better generally than the other zeroes did.
But it goes to show that even if your song is moderately well-liked, you're still heading for zero points unless you can get enough people who enjoy it enough to actually vote for it.

Reading between the lines, you are better off being loved (even by smaller number) and hated (by lots) than moderately liked by all in terms of gaining points.

Elmo · 25-05-2021 3:13pm

External Association wrote: »

The German entry wasn't as bad imo as the Ukrainian.

Ukrainian where robbed IMO

LordBasil · 25-05-2021 3:30pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Reading between the lines, you are better off being loved (even by smaller number) and hated (by lots) than moderately liked by all in terms of gaining points.

Exactly, the opposite of love isn't hate, it is indifference.

The reason the UK & Spain did so poorly was not that their songs were necessarily terrible, it was that they didn't leave a strong enough impression on viewers to vote for them. People are not going to vote for their 17th favourite song of the evening. You are better to take a risk and send a song that 85% of the viewers will loath but that the remaining 15% will love and vote for, guaranteeing you some points.

Elmo · 25-05-2021 3:37pm

LordBasil wrote: »

Exactly, the opposite of love isn't hate, it is indifference.

The reason the UK & Spain did so poorly was not that their songs were necessarily terrible, it was that they didn't leave a strong enough impression on viewers to vote for them. People are not going to vote for their 17th favourite song of the evening. You are better to take a risk and send a song that 85% of the viewers will loath but that the remaining 15% will love and vote for, guaranteeing you some points.

This is where the jury vote seem to disappear for both of them, I don't really understand this.

ACitizenErased · 25-05-2021 3:39pm

I would send a band like Wild Youth or Fontaines DC tbh.

RobertKK · 25-05-2021 3:39pm

The televotes went:

1. Italy
2. Ukraine

Just saying...

RobertKK · 25-05-2021 3:39pm

https://twitter.com/Jendrikkkk/status/1397187507238866949?s=20

Good sense of humour.

Pussyhands · 25-05-2021 3:46pm

Our song wasn't bad, it's just Lesley Roy sounded like when you try to sing when you have a terrible cold and sore throat. The auto tune was clearly carrying her. I never heard of her before eurovision.

I think if we sold our identity to the europeans we might do alright, have a modern song with some accordion or violin played into it. Have a hot ginger girl sing it and have a little solo where she does some Irish dancing.

LordBasil · 25-05-2021 3:47pm

Elmo wrote: »

This is where the jury vote seem to disappear for both of them, I don't really understand this.

I was referring to the televote more than the juries.

Juries have different criteria than televoters hence huge differences over the years between the two.

To get high televote you need to be impactful, unique, memorable, catchy song, good vocals etc.

Juries look for more slickness of staging, professionalism, vocal perfection, musicality, sophisticated lyrics etc.

Ireland for example this year was forgettable for televoters while juries were unimpressed by the sloppy staging, weak vocals, hence the dismal score.

Sometimes songs can meet both specifications and those songs usually end up winning.

gmisk · 25-05-2021 3:52pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I would send a band like Wild Youth or Fontaines DC tbh.

Wild youth would be a good call.

The issue they might have is the fact they aren't actually allowed to play instruments, surely that puts a lot of potential acts off?

Pussyhands · 25-05-2021 3:53pm

gmisk wrote: »

Wild youth would be a good call.

The issue they might have is the fact they aren't actually allowed to play instruments, surely that puts a lot of potential acts off?

Didn't a guy play the drums the last night?

Eurovision Song Contest 2021

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