Eurovision Song Contest 2021

Elmo · 24-05-2021 12:40PM

archfi wrote: »

National Warning:
Do not in any way go down the road of counties as a framework for picking a decent effort from Ireland.
Jaysus. Just don't.

Because .... we've sent so many winners?

I am just doing it out of entertainment nothing more nothing less. You could limit the voting to Jury votes only, if you want to remove a perceived bias towards Dublin or the Six Counties.

archfi · 24-05-2021 01:50PM

Elmo wrote: »

Because .... we've sent so many winners?

I am just doing it out of entertainment nothing more nothing less. You could limit the voting to Jury votes only, if you want to remove a perceived bias towards Dublin or the Six Counties.

Public voting in a competition along county lines is always disastrous.
And to be honest, half of Dublin is populated by our country brethren - it wouldn't be skewed toward a Dubliner for sure

It'd inevitably turn into a GAA jersey joke!
As for juries, I'd take it away completely from anyone involved or related to anyone in RTE plus go to Europe to get non-partisan, professional opinions/scoring
Maybe after that, stick the top two up for a once off public vote.

Strazdas · 24-05-2021 01:51PM

fluke wrote: »

The problem with Ireland and Eurovision is that:

1. We're snobby when it comes to Eurovision, any established Irish artist is not going to go for Eurovision, as the contest is 'beneath them'

2. As an English speaking nation we put our best foot forward with radio play on a national and an international level. Unlike, say Russian, there are some of our acts in general that will see the light of the day beyond our borders. Therefore our options are watered down.

3. Even with the split in our Eurovision entries and our recent song quality output, the quality overall in general, is not that bombastic or ambitious as Eurovision warrants (I blame national radio and TV coverage for failing to recognise ambition in favour of twee/generic). I don't know what half of the other Eurovision entries are about, but they're ambitious, whether that be technically, lyrically, vocally.

"Beneath them" is laughable though. Some of those acts on Saturday like the Italian rock band and France, Switzerland and Iceland etc would be far superior in calibre than a lot of singers on the Irish music scene. It's a bit rich to be in such a shallow musical pool and think you're too good for Eurovision.

afatbollix · 24-05-2021 01:54PM

Why can't we just send the Rose of Tralee?

If ya want counties to be involved. :rolleyes:

24-05-2021 02:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I reckon his buddy was only giving him the gentle nudge to let him know he was on camera.

Just to clarify, I don't think he was snorting lines.

LordBasil · 24-05-2021 02:08PM

Strazdas wrote: »

"Beneath them" is laughable though. Some of those acts on Saturday like the Italian rock band and France, Switzerland and Iceland etc would be far superior in calibre than a lot of singers on the Irish music scene. It's a bit rich to be in such a shallow musical pool and think you're too good for Eurovision.

Exactly, Irish artists need to realise ESC has moved on so much from the cheese fest it used to be. It is becoming bigger and more credible every year. They should view the contest as a tremendous opportunity to promote their music on a global stage. Duncan Laurence gained a billion streams on Spotify and Maneskin are a very credible act in the Italian music scene as are the likes of Hurricane, Barbara Pravi & Sergey Lazarev in their respective domestic markets.

Ireland is really falling behind everyone else, even if you look look at our qualification history compared to other similar sized or smaller countries over the past 7 Contests (2014 - 2021);

Ireland qualified 1 Time
Croatia, Georgia & Latvia qualified 2 Times
Estonia, Czech Republic, Iceland & San Marino qualified 3 Times
Malta, Albania, Slovenia & Lithuania qualified 4 Times
Cyprus qualified 6 Times

Something needs to change in RTE regarding the way our entries are selected.

Elmo · 24-05-2021 02:10PM

afatbollix wrote: »

Why can't we just send the Rose of Tralee?

If ya want counties to be involved. :rolleyes:

They don't cover all of the counties and you'd have Irish Americans bringing along their poetry! :pac: .... wait this might be better.

I did say remove the local aspect by making it a Jury vote, with juries coming being made up of people selected by local radio stations etc.

As for juries, I'd take it away completely from anyone involved or related to anyone in RTE plus go to Europe to get non-partisan, professional opinions/scoring
Maybe after that, stick the top two up for a once off public vote.

You could make it into a TV doc series A Search for Europe with the final 2 songs voted upon by the .... Public

Strazdas · 24-05-2021 02:53PM

LordBasil wrote: »

Exactly, Irish artists need to realise ESC has moved on so much from the cheese fest it used to be. It is becoming bigger and more credible every year. They should view the contest as a tremendous opportunity to promote their music on a global stage. Duncan Laurence gained a billion streams on Spotify and Maneskin are a very credible act in the Italian music scene as are the likes of Hurricane, Barbara Pravi & Sergey Lazarev in their respective domestic markets.

Ireland is really falling behind everyone else, even if you look look at our qualification history compared to other similar sized or smaller countries over the past 7 Contests (2014 - 2021);

Ireland qualified 1 Time
Croatia, Georgia & Latvia qualified 2 Times
Estonia, Czech Republic, Iceland & San Marino qualified 3 Times
Malta, Albania, Slovenia & Lithuania qualified 4 Times
Cyprus qualified 6 Times

Something needs to change in RTE regarding the way our entries are selected.

Yes, it's ridiculous to be playing gigs for perhaps 500 people in Ireland but then think you are "too good" for Eurovision.

Ireland's qualification record is woeful. We seem to have gone totally backwards since 2018 (Ryan O'Shaughnessy) and not kicked on at all. Too many bland and generic entries and vocalists who are not up to scratch.

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 03:21PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sienad o connor would be awful

Drama queen, very high maintenance. Constantly looking for attention

She’d probably stop her performance to do some sort of bs statement rather than , y’know, actually singing the damn song ...

It’s a no from me Bob

She made a great statement about church cover ups don’t belittle it

Beechwoodspark · 24-05-2021 03:37PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

She made a great statement about church cover ups don’t belittle it

I’m not interested in her statements

She is unhinged- has been for years- and is too much of a risk to allow do Eurovision.

Other comments on the thread back that up.

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 03:39PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m not interested in her statements

She is unhinged- has been for years- and is too much of a risk to allow do Eurovision.

Other comments on the thread back that up.

She’s not a risk don’t be silly

What she is , is too old for Eurovision

AndyBoBandy · 24-05-2021 03:42PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

What she is , is too old for Eurovision

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 03:42PM

I’m not fans of picture this and “wild” youth but that’s where we should be looking , new young bands that have essentially made it already

Pussyhands · 24-05-2021 03:44PM

No way the Italian guy was doing lines on camera. When he dips his head down you can see both his left and right hands. Never seen someone snort lines without blocking one nostril!

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 03:44PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Exactly

25th place

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 03:44PM

Pussyhands wrote: »

No way the Italian guy was doing lines on camera. When he dips his head down you can see both his left and right hands. Never seen someone snort lines without blocking one nostril!

Unless doing 2 lines

B.A._Baracus · 24-05-2021 04:08PM

Re the whole cocaine thing.

He wouldn't be the first who liked the coke at Eurovision.
To make a long story short, in a local pub a few years ago I knew one bloke who claimed he was a back up singer for the Irish Eurovision entrant one year. Tall tales I thought. But after mentioning it yet again a few were like "you didn't your bollocks" so he opens up YouTube and lo and behold he was.

He then proceeds to tell us all that the night before the Eurovision he, along with the other backup singers and the Eurovision entrant himself were going around bar to bar trying to score coke in the city.

Hardly shocking tho isn't it.

Nekarsulm · 24-05-2021 04:25PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m not interested in her statements

She is unhinged- has been for years- and is too much of a risk to allow do Eurovision.

Other comments on the thread back that up.

Her song and video for "Take me to Church" would have been a great EuroVision entry...
Dunno if her current religious adventure would allow her perform it now, what you don't need is a performer using the stage for a religious/political protest.
Incredible voice, though.

Strazdas · 24-05-2021 04:50PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Her song and video for "Take me to Church" would have been a great EuroVision entry...
Dunno if her current religious adventure would allow her perform it now, what you don't need is a performer using the stage for a religious/political protest.
Incredible voice, though.

I fear she would try and make it all about her, irrespective of whether she staged a protest or not. It would be a potential car crash in the making anyway - no guarantee she would even do well in the voting. A lot of younger viewers across Europe have probably never even heard of her.

Welsh Megaman · 24-05-2021 05:01PM

Fish and chips for tea.

fryup · 24-05-2021 05:26PM

did the drugs test come back yet?? was he sniffin snow?

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 05:34PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Re the whole cocaine thing.

He wouldn't be the first who liked the coke at Eurovision.
To make a long story short, in a local pub a few years ago I knew one bloke who claimed he was a back up singer for the Irish Eurovision entrant one year. Tall tales I thought. But after mentioning it yet again a few were like "you didn't your bollocks" so he opens up YouTube and lo and behold he was.

He then proceeds to tell us all that the night before the Eurovision he, along with the other backup singers and the Eurovision entrant himself were going around bar to bar trying to score coke in the city.

Hardly shocking tho isn't it.

So they looked for coke , cool story bro , come back wren they find it

Elmo · 24-05-2021 05:34PM

fryup wrote: »

did the drugs test come back yet?? was he sniffin snow?

I don't think this is the Olympics.

They should all be tested for autotuning and lipsyncing.

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 05:35PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I fear she would try and make it all about her, irrespective of whether she staged a protest or not. It would be a potential car crash in the making anyway - no guarantee she would even do well in the voting. A lot of younger viewers across Europe have probably never even heard of her.

Well I guess we’ll never know

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 05:37PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I fear she would try and make it all about her, irrespective of whether she staged a protest or not. It would be a potential car crash in the making anyway - no guarantee she would even do well in the voting. A lot of younger viewers across Europe have probably never even heard of her.

Elmo wrote: »

I don't think this is the Olympics.

They should all be tested for autotuning and lipsyncing.

You’d have to lip sync, people nowadays think live music sounds wrong

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 05:39PM

Britain seriously have to re-evaluate their financial contributions it’s getting ridiculous for them now

fryup · 24-05-2021 05:48PM

and also for Germany and for Spain they too got nul points

patscott27 · 24-05-2021 06:24PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Britain seriously have to re-evaluate their financial contributions it’s getting ridiculous for them now[/QUOTE

Especially with 350m a week extra in the coffers after Brexit. They should put some of the money saved from leaving Eurovision towards a Commonwealth song contest.

ohnonotgmail · 24-05-2021 06:49PM

patscott27 wrote: »

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Britain seriously have to re-evaluate their financial contributions it’s getting ridiculous for them now

Especially with 350m a week extra in the coffers after Brexit. They should put some of the money saved from leaving Eurovision towards a Commonwealth song contest.

They would probably come last in that as well.

goose2005 · 24-05-2021 07:31PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Maybe not at global (aka American level) but I think you underestimate the profile of European artists across other countries of similar language \ culture.

Russian artists would have an international profile among the large Russian speaking communities in other eastern European countries.
Italian acts get exposure at San Remo across Europe.
France-Belgium-Switzerland would have shared language connections.

This was also behind a lot of the neighbour-voting, I mean Cyprus and Greece would have a shared language and culture, as would much of the former Yugoslavia

Eurovision Song Contest 2021

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