Eurovision Song Contest 2021

BarryNumber1 · 23-05-2021 9:11pm

gmisk wrote: »

We haven't run a national contest for a good while....if we can skip a national contest to pick Lesley Roy....and Sarah McTernan...I think we could do the same to have fecking Sinead OConnor!

I had forgotten that.

Seriously… just leave the whole shebang here to the under 20s.

odyssey06 · 23-05-2021 9:18pm

BarryNumber1 wrote: »

I had forgotten that.
Seriously… just leave the whole shebang here to the under 20s.

20 somethings maybe... Apart from Malta, Greece and Bulgaria the top entries this year were older than 20.

Pussyhands · 23-05-2021 9:24pm

Absolutely class! Hair raising stuff.

Saved to my favourites!

Pussyhands · 23-05-2021 9:30pm

Best interval ever! Usually I'm wishing it would hurry up but it was class yesterday.

Love that Sweden song "Heroes"

Fandymo · 23-05-2021 9:31pm

Pappa Dolla wrote: »

I don't understand how people watch soaps 3 times or more a week, or the X factor for the entire run, but each to their own.

Why do people follow foreign sports, foreign soaps, foreign news etc? Why do we watch the Eurovision in the first place? Silly question.

As for money, all the county rounds could be done locally. No need to hire out the Helix for a year

TG4 would do a far better job than RTE anyway.

Would be a ratings black hole. Would get zero sponsorship. Would cost a fortune.

Foreign sports are of a higher standard than LOI or would have an Irish angle, although I am a LOI fan, foreign soaps are of a much higher standard than Fair City, I’m not sure how many people watch foreign news, bar huge international stories. TG4 wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole.

Elmo · 23-05-2021 9:39pm

Fandymo wrote: »

Would be a ratings black hole. Would get zero sponsorship. Would cost a fortune.

Foreign sports are of a higher standard than LOI or would have an Irish angle, although I am a LOI fan, foreign soaps are of a much higher standard than Fair City, I’m not sure how many people watch foreign news, bar huge international stories. TG4 wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole.

A long from competition utilizing local and national broadcasters, along with the 7pm slot following the 6.1 news, and final Saturday night show would allow for ratings.

But that should not be the reason to air or produce a programme or to at least pilot a programme.

Regardless of the format, look at the popularity of You're A Star when it aired.

I have found Ros Na Run often equals the British soaps, but then I can't watch EastEnders, and weather you or I like it or not Fair City retains an audience.

archfi · 23-05-2021 9:43pm

National Warning:
Do not in any way go down the road of counties as a framework for picking a decent effort from Ireland.
Jaysus. Just don't.

AndyBoBandy · 24-05-2021 8:50am

I was driving along the motorway yesterday and saw a sign for Mullingar, and thought why don't we ask yer man Niall Horan to do a song and perform it at Eurovision??

I don't think it would be a step down or step back for him given he emerged from the X Factor/boyband/cheesy pop world....

Surely he'd be a good shout to at least qualify for the final.... I know we did similar with Jedward & Nicky Byrne, but this guy Horan seems to have a little bit of talent, and can play a guitar.... Got to be worth a shot??

Also, who was watching Reeling in the Years 2016 last night, and thinking during every Irish song "this would be a belter for the Eurovision"

As I said earlier in the thread, sod trying to win it, just use it to promote Irish culture, and all things Irish..

It's about time we gave up on the generic pop trash that we are clearly rubbish at... (I'm aware this slightly contradicts my above statement re Horan, but he could easily fall into the singer/songwriter with a guitar/Ed Sheehan category).... )(just as long as he's not singing about how much he loves loving you or some other generic pop rubbish...)

fluke · 24-05-2021 10:25am

The problem with Ireland and Eurovision is that:

1. We're snobby when it comes to Eurovision, any established Irish artist is not going to go for Eurovision, as the contest is 'beneath them'

2. As an English speaking nation we put our best foot forward with radio play on a national and an international level. Unlike, say Russian, there are some of our acts in general that will see the light of the day beyond our borders. Therefore our options are watered down.

3. Even with the split in our Eurovision entries and our recent song quality output, the quality overall in general, is not that bombastic or ambitious as Eurovision warrants (I blame national radio and TV coverage for failing to recognise ambition in favour of twee/generic). I don't know what half of the other Eurovision entries are about, but they're ambitious, whether that be technically, lyrically, vocally.

odyssey06 · 24-05-2021 10:41am

fluke wrote: »

The problem with Ireland and Eurovision is that:
2. As an English speaking nation we put our best foot forward with radio play on a national and an international level. Unlike, say Russian, there are some of our acts in general that will see the light of the day beyond our borders. Therefore our options are watered down.

Maybe not at global (aka American level) but I think you underestimate the profile of European artists across other countries of similar language \ culture.

Russian artists would have an international profile among the large Russian speaking communities in other eastern European countries.
Italian acts get exposure at San Remo across Europe.
France-Belgium-Switzerland would have shared language connections.

tobefrank321 · 24-05-2021 11:06am

English is the most common second language in Europe and about 90% of winning songs are in English since the rules were changed to allow for any language.

Its another reason why we no longer stand out.

The main reasons why we have gone backwards in the competition are a combination of:

1. More English songs
2. More entrants so more competition
3. We're terrible at staging
4. Bland acts and songs

Just send a death metal band next year and see how we do.

the purple tin · 24-05-2021 11:08am

I remember Thom Yorke saying a few years ago that he would love to enter ESC for the UK, either solo or with Radiohead.
Why have they not taken him up on the offer?

Furze99 · 24-05-2021 11:22am

iffandonlyif wrote: »

That voting system was torturous to watch. I don’t enjoy seeing people’s hopes built up only to be dashed.

Hah it was great.. some of these people have pretty large egos. If they can't stand the heat in the kitchen, not the place for them.

Pussyhands · 24-05-2021 11:34am

No I hope the eurovision doesn't go that route of just getting the biggest names...getting Niall Horan because he has fans from 1D that will vote for him.

It's far too risky for a big name to enter anyways. If they don't win it then it looks like they're not that popular.

Elmo · 24-05-2021 11:40am

archfi wrote: »

National Warning:
Do not in any way go down the road of counties as a framework for picking a decent effort from Ireland.
Jaysus. Just don't.

Because .... we've sent so many winners?

I am just doing it out of entertainment nothing more nothing less. You could limit the voting to Jury votes only, if you want to remove a perceived bias towards Dublin or the Six Counties.

archfi · 24-05-2021 12:50pm

Elmo wrote: »

Because .... we've sent so many winners?

I am just doing it out of entertainment nothing more nothing less. You could limit the voting to Jury votes only, if you want to remove a perceived bias towards Dublin or the Six Counties.

Public voting in a competition along county lines is always disastrous.
And to be honest, half of Dublin is populated by our country brethren - it wouldn't be skewed toward a Dubliner for sure

It'd inevitably turn into a GAA jersey joke!
As for juries, I'd take it away completely from anyone involved or related to anyone in RTE plus go to Europe to get non-partisan, professional opinions/scoring
Maybe after that, stick the top two up for a once off public vote.

Strazdas · 24-05-2021 12:51pm

fluke wrote: »

The problem with Ireland and Eurovision is that:

1. We're snobby when it comes to Eurovision, any established Irish artist is not going to go for Eurovision, as the contest is 'beneath them'

2. As an English speaking nation we put our best foot forward with radio play on a national and an international level. Unlike, say Russian, there are some of our acts in general that will see the light of the day beyond our borders. Therefore our options are watered down.

3. Even with the split in our Eurovision entries and our recent song quality output, the quality overall in general, is not that bombastic or ambitious as Eurovision warrants (I blame national radio and TV coverage for failing to recognise ambition in favour of twee/generic). I don't know what half of the other Eurovision entries are about, but they're ambitious, whether that be technically, lyrically, vocally.

"Beneath them" is laughable though. Some of those acts on Saturday like the Italian rock band and France, Switzerland and Iceland etc would be far superior in calibre than a lot of singers on the Irish music scene. It's a bit rich to be in such a shallow musical pool and think you're too good for Eurovision.

afatbollix · 24-05-2021 12:54pm

Why can't we just send the Rose of Tralee?

If ya want counties to be involved. :rolleyes:

Hello 2D Person Below · 24-05-2021 1:08pm

Hello 2D Person Below wrote: »

I reckon his buddy was only giving him the gentle nudge to let him know he was on camera.

Just to clarify, I don't think he was snorting lines.

LordBasil · 24-05-2021 1:08pm

Strazdas wrote: »

"Beneath them" is laughable though. Some of those acts on Saturday like the Italian rock band and France, Switzerland and Iceland etc would be far superior in calibre than a lot of singers on the Irish music scene. It's a bit rich to be in such a shallow musical pool and think you're too good for Eurovision.

Exactly, Irish artists need to realise ESC has moved on so much from the cheese fest it used to be. It is becoming bigger and more credible every year. They should view the contest as a tremendous opportunity to promote their music on a global stage. Duncan Laurence gained a billion streams on Spotify and Maneskin are a very credible act in the Italian music scene as are the likes of Hurricane, Barbara Pravi & Sergey Lazarev in their respective domestic markets.

Ireland is really falling behind everyone else, even if you look look at our qualification history compared to other similar sized or smaller countries over the past 7 Contests (2014 - 2021);

Ireland qualified 1 Time
Croatia, Georgia & Latvia qualified 2 Times
Estonia, Czech Republic, Iceland & San Marino qualified 3 Times
Malta, Albania, Slovenia & Lithuania qualified 4 Times
Cyprus qualified 6 Times

Something needs to change in RTE regarding the way our entries are selected.

Elmo · 24-05-2021 1:10pm

afatbollix wrote: »

Why can't we just send the Rose of Tralee?

If ya want counties to be involved. :rolleyes:

They don't cover all of the counties and you'd have Irish Americans bringing along their poetry! :pac: .... wait this might be better.

I did say remove the local aspect by making it a Jury vote, with juries coming being made up of people selected by local radio stations etc.

As for juries, I'd take it away completely from anyone involved or related to anyone in RTE plus go to Europe to get non-partisan, professional opinions/scoring
Maybe after that, stick the top two up for a once off public vote.

You could make it into a TV doc series A Search for Europe with the final 2 songs voted upon by the .... Public

Strazdas · 24-05-2021 1:53pm

LordBasil wrote: »

Exactly, Irish artists need to realise ESC has moved on so much from the cheese fest it used to be. It is becoming bigger and more credible every year. They should view the contest as a tremendous opportunity to promote their music on a global stage. Duncan Laurence gained a billion streams on Spotify and Maneskin are a very credible act in the Italian music scene as are the likes of Hurricane, Barbara Pravi & Sergey Lazarev in their respective domestic markets.

Ireland is really falling behind everyone else, even if you look look at our qualification history compared to other similar sized or smaller countries over the past 7 Contests (2014 - 2021);

Ireland qualified 1 Time
Croatia, Georgia & Latvia qualified 2 Times
Estonia, Czech Republic, Iceland & San Marino qualified 3 Times
Malta, Albania, Slovenia & Lithuania qualified 4 Times
Cyprus qualified 6 Times

Something needs to change in RTE regarding the way our entries are selected.

Yes, it's ridiculous to be playing gigs for perhaps 500 people in Ireland but then think you are "too good" for Eurovision.

Ireland's qualification record is woeful. We seem to have gone totally backwards since 2018 (Ryan O'Shaughnessy) and not kicked on at all. Too many bland and generic entries and vocalists who are not up to scratch.

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 2:21pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sienad o connor would be awful

Drama queen, very high maintenance. Constantly looking for attention

She’d probably stop her performance to do some sort of bs statement rather than , y’know, actually singing the damn song ...

It’s a no from me Bob

She made a great statement about church cover ups don’t belittle it

Beechwoodspark · 24-05-2021 2:37pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

She made a great statement about church cover ups don’t belittle it

I’m not interested in her statements

She is unhinged- has been for years- and is too much of a risk to allow do Eurovision.

Other comments on the thread back that up.

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 2:39pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m not interested in her statements

She is unhinged- has been for years- and is too much of a risk to allow do Eurovision.

Other comments on the thread back that up.

She’s not a risk don’t be silly

What she is , is too old for Eurovision

AndyBoBandy · 24-05-2021 2:42pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

What she is , is too old for Eurovision

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 2:42pm

I’m not fans of picture this and “wild” youth but that’s where we should be looking , new young bands that have essentially made it already

Pussyhands · 24-05-2021 2:44pm

No way the Italian guy was doing lines on camera. When he dips his head down you can see both his left and right hands. Never seen someone snort lines without blocking one nostril!

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 2:44pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Exactly

25th place

Ash.J.Williams · 24-05-2021 2:44pm

Pussyhands wrote: »

No way the Italian guy was doing lines on camera. When he dips his head down you can see both his left and right hands. Never seen someone snort lines without blocking one nostril!

Unless doing 2 lines

Eurovision Song Contest 2021

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