Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Graham · 20-05-2021 06:40PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

But a winter lock down hasn't been ruled out by anybody

An asteroid strike wiping out the entire island hasn't been ruled out.

Martian invasion hasn't been ruled out.

As yet undiscovered variants haven't been ruled out.

Nobody but Boris Johnson is going to start giving out meaningless guarantees.

hynesie08 · 20-05-2021 06:47PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Would it hurt anyone in the Government to try stop a little anxiety and give us hope we won't be in another big lockdown again

How do you propose they do that?

Penfailed · 20-05-2021 06:49PM

Graham wrote: »

Nobody but Boris Johnson is going to start giving out meaningless guarantees.

Even Johnston hasn't ruled out the possibility of another lockdown in the UK.

Penfailed · 20-05-2021 06:51PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Would it hurt anyone in the Government to try stop a little anxiety and give us hope we won't be in another big lockdown again

Really? Can they see into the future now?
Are you having a little anxiety about the possibility of another lockdown?

Graham · 20-05-2021 06:54PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Even Johnston hasn't ruled out the possibility of another lockdown in the UK.

Certainly not in the last few days but you don't have to look too far back to see a different version.

Many on this thread crying out for the Irish Government to make the same empty promise.

Coronavirus: Plan to exit lockdown 'cautious but irreversible', says Boris Johnson

BBC News Feb 15th

PTH2009 · 20-05-2021 06:54PM

Christ i won't miss getting ridiculed by certain people here when this is over

How can i not be a little anxious as its been shown how fast and easily they can shut things down. When i do go back to work June/July i want to feel confident i won't be out of work again in a matter of days/weeks

Feel a bit happy to have a concert/trip to look forward to later in the year

Silentcorner · 20-05-2021 06:55PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Really? Can they see into the future now?
Are you having a little anxiety about the possibility of another lockdown?

Why so condescending, not all of us enjoy having our income slashed, our social interactions severely curtailed, our ability to leave the home without a valid reason removed from us...

Try running a business or employing people, or paying a mortgage if you have no clue what will happen in 6 months time...

Boggles · 20-05-2021 06:58PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

When was the last time we tried to vaccinate over 4 million people?

Lots of countries vaccinate multiples of that number every year.

What was your point?

Graham · 20-05-2021 07:01PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Why so condescending, not all of us enjoy having our income slashed

and you imagine some people do enjoy it?

Silentcorner · 20-05-2021 07:01PM

Boggles wrote: »

Lots of countries vaccinate multiples of that number every year.

What was your point?

What?

It's like dealing with children!!!

I said it is the biggest vaccination program ever undertaken by the State...in the context that because of that I'm cautiously optimistic they won't need to lock us down again...who'd have guessed it would be Boggles that would make up some issue with that....

Boggles · 20-05-2021 07:08PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

What?

It's like dealing with children!!!

I said it is the biggest vaccination program ever undertaken by the State...in the context that because of that I'm cautiously optimistic they won't need to lock us down again...who'd have guessed it would be Boggles that would make up some issue with that....

Calm down.

You made this statement.

I mean if we are embarking on the biggest vaccination program in the history of this state for a jab that won't even get us through one winter surge

I asked you to quantify it, who told you we won't get through a winter surge?

Penfailed · 20-05-2021 07:36PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Why so condescending

It was a simple question. No condescension intended. If the OP had replied that he was a little anxious, I'd have suggested that he try to focus on the positive stuff (things opening up, vaccination rollout, low numbers) and not dwell on the things that probably won't even happen.
There was no 'ridiculing' either.

MOR316 · 20-05-2021 08:08PM

Would anyone like to explain to me why drive in movies are now banned?

It doesn't make any sense. You can go into any retail shop but, you can't sit in your own car and watch a movie but, you can sit in traffic?
If they're worried about people mingling, it's outdoors! The same environment in which they are promoting to socialise and even then, you're in your own car.

Seems petty and a power thing to me but, open to any well explained, decent explanation

FintanMcluskey · 20-05-2021 08:11PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Would anyone like to explain to me why drive in movies are now banned?

It doesn't make any sense. You can go into any retail shop but, you can't sit in your own car and watch a movie but, you can sit in traffic?
If they're worried about people mingling, it's outdoors! The same environment in which they are promoting to socialise and even then, you're in your own car.

Seems petty and a power thing to me but, open to any well explained, decent explanation

People moving about spread Irish covid

Bit like construction in Ireland for about 4 months

Or click and collect

Ha Long Bay · 20-05-2021 08:13PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Fascinating approach.

The official data is obviously rubbish because paddy can get a hair cut now and can spend all night doing nothing anywhere he wants.

Make no mistake, the Irish citizens has been the globes most suppressed for 14 months and still are as the data proves and many of us have said.

I see a few sea gulling comments last night in here, suggesting to be happy with what we have relaxed, that’s a dangerous precedent for us as a society.

We have nothing, it’s just we were in prison for so long, little will do us

Stockholm syndrome I believe

What are sea gulling comments?

dominatinMC · 20-05-2021 08:15PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You aren't reading my posts, or the struggle of understanding them is too much for you....

I've made myself perfectly clear.

While I am cautiously optimistic we won't be in lock down next winter, it wouldn't surprise me if we were...that shouldn't be too difficult to understand.

If you cannot understand what I just said, perhaps should you PM me.

Oh the struggle is real alright. I've outlined on numerous occasions why I believe it is highly unlikely we will be back in lockdown. I've given my reasons for this. Yet you have failed, on numerous occasions, to explain the reasons for your stance of "cautiously optimistic (sounding a bit like MM here) yet you wouldn't be surprised if we were locked-down".
Given the current state of affairs, and the trajectory we are on, and all the knowns, I would be very surprised if we were back in lockdown. Why wouldn't that outcome surprise you? If your sole basis for this stance are vague quotes from MM, then I feel sorry for you.

Degag · 20-05-2021 08:16PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christ i won't miss getting ridiculed by certain people here when this is over

How can i not be a little anxious as its been shown how fast and easily they can shut things down. When i do go back to work June/July i want to feel confident i won't be out of work again in a matter of days/weeks

Feel a bit happy to have a concert/trip to look forward to later in the year

It really is a case of ask a silly question.....

Nobody wants another lockdown. Nobody wants to go back to work only to be told to stay at home a few days/weeks later. Nobody wants concerts/events cancelled.

But that doesn't mean you can get answers to things there are no definitive answers to.

Silentcorner · 20-05-2021 08:21PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

Oh the struggle is real alright. I've outlined on numerous occasions why I believe it is highly unlikely we will be back in lockdown. I've given my reasons for this. Yet you have failed, on numerous occasions, to explain the reasons for your stance of "cautiously optimistic (sounding a bit like MM here) yet you wouldn't be surprised if we were locked-down".
Given the current state of affairs, and the trajectory we are on, and all the knowns, I would be very surprised if we were back in lockdown. Why wouldn't that outcome surprise you? If your sole basis for this stance are vague quotes from MM, then I feel sorry for you.

Do you even read what you write?

I sound just like the Taoiseach, Micheal Martin, he is the elected leader of this country...

Here is what we don't know, what variant will hit us next winter.

Which maybe the reason why Martin is so vague.

Or maybe his concern is the amount of people who will accept a vaccine....

We don't know why he is being vague.

If the elected leader of this country is being vague, what do expect the rest of us to do...have blind faith...or be cautiously optimistic?

Graham · 20-05-2021 08:24PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Would anyone like to explain to me why drive in movies are now banned?

It doesn't make any sense.

Looks like it may have been an oversight when new legislation was introduced.

Either that or some mysterious new variant that Fintan has apparently discovered.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

People moving about spread Irish covid

FintanMcluskey · 20-05-2021 08:24PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christ i won't miss getting ridiculed by certain people here when this is over

How can i not be a little anxious as its been shown how fast and easily they can shut things down. When i do go back to work June/July i want to feel confident i won't be out of work again in a matter of days/weeks

Feel a bit happy to have a concert/trip to look forward to later in the year

100%, of course anyone who uses logic would be anxious for the future in Ireland

A health service not capable of providing for its population is the reason Ireland had the worlds longest strictest lockdown, and that’s unlikely to be solved with the level of debt that now exists in Ireland.

Realistically the hospitals are overwhelmed every winter and lockdown may become the easiest medicine to administer.

I don’t see much opposition to lockdown, as we see on here from the acceptance of pedestrian paced relaxation.

dominatinMC · 20-05-2021 08:24PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Do you even read what you write?

I sound just like the Taoiseach, Micheal Martin, he is the elected leader of this country...

Here is what we don't know, what variant will hit us next winter.

Which maybe the reason why Martin is so vague.

Or maybe his concern is the amount of people who will accept a vaccine....

We don't know why he is being vague.

If the elected leader of this country is being vague, what do expect the rest of us to do...have blind faith...or be cautiously optimistic?

Instead of rhetorical questions, can you answer the ones I've asked of you? Why would you "not be surprised" if there was a lockdown this Winter? Simple question, give your reasons for your stance.

PTH2009 · 20-05-2021 08:25PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2021/0520/1222939-restrictions-decision/

Graham · 20-05-2021 08:35PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Do you even read what you write?

I sound just like the Taoiseach, Micheal Martin, he is the elected leader of this country...

Here is what we don't know, what variant will hit us next winter.

Which maybe the reason why Martin is so vague.

Or maybe his concern is the amount of people who will accept a vaccine....

We don't know why he is being vague.

If the elected leader of this country is being vague, what do expect the rest of us to do...have blind faith...or be cautiously optimistic?

Have we redefined the meaning of vague?

Do you think vague means "I/we don't know"?

Silentcorner · 20-05-2021 08:37PM

Graham wrote: »

Have we redefined the meaning of vague?

Do you think vague means "I/we don't know"?

I vaguely understand what it means!!!

Graham · 20-05-2021 08:41PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I vaguely understand what it means!!!

There's no arguing with that. :pac:

Silentcorner · 20-05-2021 08:41PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

It will be a new variant.

We will not know how effective the vaccines are in the dead of winter against an inevitable winter surge.

There will be decisions to be made, I'm cautiously optimistic we won't be in lock down next winter, and that the recent variant scare mongering is a tool used to drive the vaccination numbers....I mean if we are embarking on the biggest vaccination program in the history of this state for a jab that won't even get us through one winter surge then we really have to start asking ourselves very awkward questions....especially since the health authorities are not expanding capacity or recommending therapeutics of any kind that I can see.

But it won't take much to convince me we will be back in lock down given what we have witnessed over the last 14 months of ultra conservative risk taking from our health authorities.

dominatinMC wrote: »

Instead of rhetorical questions, can you answer the ones I've asked of you? Why would you "not be surprised" if there was a lockdown this Winter? Simple question, give your reasons for your stance.

I have already addressed why I wouldn't be surprised, too bad if you can't comprehend what I am saying, I literally can't dumb it down any more.

dominatinMC · 20-05-2021 08:49PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I have already addressed why I wouldn't be surprised, too bad if you can't comprehend what I am saying, I literally can't dumb it down any more.

Ah, so a variant, one which you presumably know will evade the vaccines is it? And a speculative winter surge? They are your reasons. Thanks, good stuff. It took a while, but I can finally comprehend now. I'm surprised you have time for so many posts on here, given all the time you must spend gazing into your crystal ball.

Silentcorner · 20-05-2021 08:58PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

Ah, so a variant, one which you presumably know will evade the vaccines is it? And a speculative winter surge? They are your reasons. Thanks, good stuff. It took a while, but I can finally comprehend now. I'm surprised you have time for so many posts on here, given all the time you must spend gazing into your crystal ball.

My business has been severely damaged over the last 14 months, so ya, I have a little more time than I normally would to post on here.

It will be damaged even further if we lock down again...so I do have skin in the game, and just remember, it was a "new virus" that was peddled to us back in Feb as a justification to keep us locked down until now....

Don't be surprised if you see the same language again from an elected leader.

normanoffside · 20-05-2021 09:07PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2021/0520/1222939-restrictions-decision/

When do the leaks start?

dominatinMC · 20-05-2021 09:07PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

My business has been severely damaged over the last 14 months, so ya, I have a little more time than I normally would to post on here.

It will be damaged even further if we lock down again...so I do have skin in the game, and just remember, it was a "new virus" that was peddled to us back in Feb as a justification to keep us locked down until now....

Don't be surprised if you see the same language again from an elected leader.

Sorry to hear that. I can't claim to understand what that's like. Maybe I'm an eternal optimist, but I'm also following the trends, data, etc. and based on that I can't see justification for another lockdown in the winter. Hopefully this thread will be gone by then :pac:

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