Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Ha Long Bay · 19-05-2021 01:20AM

Bit cynical wrote: »

Also, of course outdoor dining and drinking from today and in three weeks time indoor dining and drinking.

Yes on the 19th but not on the 18th when the index was last updated. On the 18th no outdoor dining, non essential retail closed and a stay at home order from 7pm.

FintanMcluskey · 19-05-2021 07:49AM

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Would have to question what use that index is when France is rated below Ireland as of the the 18th May. A country where you cannot leave your house between 7pm and 6am without a permission slip and non essential retail closed.

Changing tomorrow curfew is extended to 9pm and non essential retail opening.

"On May 19, non-essential business will be allowed to reopen and the nightly curfew will be pushed back to 9pm local time."

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210429-covid-19-france-aims-to-relax-curfew-allow-outdoor-dining-and-reopen-cultural-venues-from-may-19

Fascinating approach.

The official data is obviously rubbish because paddy can get a hair cut now and can spend all night doing nothing anywhere he wants.

Make no mistake, the Irish citizens has been the globes most suppressed for 14 months and still are as the data proves and many of us have said.

I see a few sea gulling comments last night in here, suggesting to be happy with what we have relaxed, that’s a dangerous precedent for us as a society.

We have nothing, it’s just we were in prison for so long, little will do us

Stockholm syndrome I believe

Windmill100000 · 19-05-2021 07:57AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Fascinating approach.

The official data is obviously rubbish because paddy can get a hair cut now and can spend all night doing nothing anywhere he wants.

Make no mistake, the Irish citizens has been the globes most suppressed for 14 months and still are as the data proves and many of us have said.

I see a few sea gulling comments last night in here, suggesting to be happy with what we have relaxed, that’s a dangerous precedent for us as a society.

We have nothing, it’s just we were in prison for so long, little will do us

Stockholm syndrome I believe

Hair cut, shopping trips aplenty, looking at overseas travel to visit friends. And the sun is shining.
I have plenty to be happy about and I don't think many want to consciously continue to bask in misery.

These were the things that made me happy before covid and it's great to have them back.

No one expected everything to just open up one day. It was always going to be staggered, which is exactly what is happening.

suicide_circus · 19-05-2021 08:13AM

So the response to my post regarding the extension of extraordinary powers til Novembers are simultaneously that it's only a proposal and that it's inevitable. I think it's reasonable to be worried about restriction creep given the 15 months we've just had. Of course it's great that restrictions are currently being rolled back and we are eternally grateful to our benevolent leaders for the crumbs of liberty they allow us to have. Leo's recent "no foreign travel til August" is a subtle but noticeable change from the previous "end of July" previously mooted and concerning to my line of work. I'm not alright, Jack.

19-05-2021 08:16AM

Bit cynical wrote: »

Despite the recent relaxations, we're still at the top of Oxford University's stringency index for the EU and if you take the average over the last six months we're also at the top overall over that period. Only a few countries in the world have a higher average index over the six months: Venuzuela, Lebanon, Honduras. Note that countries with regional restrictions are counted the same as national restrictions.

One of the reasons some of us think things are opening up quite fast now is due to the fact that so much has been shut down for so long that the comparatively minor easing recently is seen as significant even when it is not.

Play around with the interactive chart here.

I think it can now be concluded that the stringency index is essentially a ball of sh*te. According to their scale we have only had a 6% relaxation since April 13th

pjohnson · 19-05-2021 08:18AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think it can now be concluded that the stringency index is essentially a ball of sh*te. According to their scale we have only had a 6% relaxation since April 13th

When was it not nonsense?

Boggles · 19-05-2021 08:30AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I see a few sea gulling comments last night in here, suggesting to be happy with what we have relaxed, that’s a dangerous precedent for us as a society.

Yes Fintan people being happy during a once in a generation pandemic as we super charge the vaccine roll out and reopen is dangerous very dangerous.

That nice old lady on the news the other night who said she was delighted to have customers back is a threat to the state.

I know this because a horséshít index told me.

FintanMcluskey · 19-05-2021 08:31AM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

No one expected everything to just open up one day. It was always going to be staggered, which is exactly what is happening.

We don’t need to be the slowest across Europe either

paw patrol · 19-05-2021 08:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it can now be concluded that the stringency index is essentially a ball of sh*te. According to their scale we have only had a 6% relaxation since April 13th

given the massive number of things in society 6% isn't far off.
Much is now open but still under abnormal restrictions which "should" contribute to the score.
Tbh I had a look but Im not spending an hour breaking down the minute details of that.

For example,
When we have outdoor hospitability , some will claim that the pubs are open when they aren't really open as there should be.
Partially open with restrictions and limited capacity isn't Open.
Anybody who claims that is open is dishonest.

19-05-2021 08:42AM

paw patrol wrote: »

given the massive number of things in society 6% isn't far off.
Much is now open but still under abnormal restrictions which "should" contribute to the score.
Tbh I had a look but Im not spending an hour breaking down the minute details of that.

For example,
When we have outdoor hospitability , some will claim that the pubs are open when they aren't really open as there should be.
Partially open with restrictions and limited capacity isn't Open.
Anybody who claims that is open is dishonest.

Only 6% of activities in society have been eased since the 13th of April. Come off it.

Boggles · 19-05-2021 08:43AM

paw patrol wrote: »

For example,
When we have outdoor hospitability , some will claim that the pubs are open when they aren't really open as there should be.
Partially open with restrictions and limited capacity isn't Open.
Anybody who claims that is open is dishonest.

Struggling for outrage.

The end is certainly near, thank God.

paw patrol · 19-05-2021 09:01AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Only 6% of activities in society have been eased since the 13th of April. Come off it.

"if" you could restricted openings as "restrictions" then yes , I don't think it's far off.
very few stuff is open fully and I suggest that was probably part of the data i.e weighting factors.
It's only stats exercise it could be 10%.

But as I said that's just my guess, i'm not wasting an hour picking through it.

Boggles wrote: »

Struggling for outrage.

The end is certainly near, thank God.

dunno how you picked that up from my post but if that's what you read, fair enough.

no outrage here at present . Sun is here, swim this morning in the sea , barbeque and obligatory house party for the weekend planned.
Don't even know the legal limit for guests...

Gyms be open soon , once they aren't to restrictive it'll be good.

Of course, very disappointed with some of the happenings and attitudes in past 15months but it's not something I carry about emotionally living my life is too important to me.
My spiels on boards is a tiny subset of my make-up...its' wouldn't be a good thing if it was more than that.

pjohnson · 19-05-2021 09:14AM

paw patrol wrote: »

given the massive number of things in society 6% isn't far off.
Much is now open but still under abnormal restrictions which "should" contribute to the score.
Tbh I had a look but Im not spending an hour breaking down the minute details of that.

For example,
When we have outdoor hospitability , some will claim that the pubs are open when they aren't really open as there should be.
Partially open with restrictions and limited capacity isn't Open.
Anybody who claims that is open is dishonest.

So open for business is no longer open.

No wonder some still think we've a never ending lockdown.

Boggles · 19-05-2021 09:15AM

paw patrol wrote: »

dunno how you picked that up from my post but if that's what you read, fair enough.

I'll break it down for you.

When we have outdoor hospitability , some will claim that the pubs are open when they aren't really open as there should be.

You invented "some" peoples opinion.

Partially open with restrictions and limited capacity isn't Open

Well it's open to a degree but not fully open, nearly there.

Anybody who claims that is open is dishonest

Back to the fictional people and labeling them liars.

Any clearer?

paw patrol · 19-05-2021 09:25AM

pjohnson wrote: »

So open for business is no longer open.

No wonder some still think we've a never ending lockdown.

enjoy your ban? back for more?
was clearly explained what I meant, if you suffer from selective reading.
Suggest you re-read in full.

paw patrol · 19-05-2021 09:27AM

Boggles wrote: »

I'll break it down for you.

You invented "some" peoples opinion.

Well it's open to a degree but not fully open, nearly there.

Back to the fictional people and labeling them liars.

Any clearer?

fictional people who lie isn't outrage.
outrage was the accusation - you are all over the place today
what is your point exactly?

paw patrol · 19-05-2021 09:31AM

Boggles wrote: »

I'll break it down for you.

You invented "some" peoples opinion.

?

do desire to rehash the construction argument. jaysis wept.

But we had people claim construction was "OPEN" despite many being stuck on PUP due to a few social housing projects, they saw on their travels.
and sites having all sorts of covid regulations that limited the work.

Nothing is open till it's fully open.
disagree all you like that's your right but my point stands

Boggles · 19-05-2021 09:42AM

paw patrol wrote: »

But we had people claim construction was "OPEN" despite many being stuck on

Nope, again we had people claim construction was completely closed particularly domestic construction.

Again you are directing your outrage in the wrong direction.

Boggles · 19-05-2021 09:44AM

paw patrol wrote: »

fictional people who lie isn't outrage.
outrage was the accusation - you are all over the place today
what is your point exactly?

Anyway.

You are inventing nonsensical scenarios in your head to get upset over.

It was a simple point, which I have broken down and explained to you now twice.

I don't think I can be any clearer, so we will have to leave it there I reckon.

paw patrol · 19-05-2021 09:53AM

Boggles wrote: »

Anyway.

You are inventing nonsensical scenarios in your head to get upset over.

It was a simple point, which I have broken down and explained to you now twice.

I don't think I can be any clearer, so we will have to leave it there I reckon.

if that's your reading of what I said, I can't discuss any further so you probably right

Penfailed · 19-05-2021 09:59AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Leo's recent "no foreign travel til August" is a subtle but noticeable change from the previous "end of July" previously mooted

What's at the end of July? Oh yeah...August.

Penfailed · 19-05-2021 10:02AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think it can now be concluded that the stringency index is essentially a ball of sh*te. According to their scale we have only had a 6% relaxation since April 13th

It could be argued that if you start at a high level of restriction and ease them as slowly as we have, then 6% is accurate compared to other countries?

Penfailed · 19-05-2021 10:04AM

paw patrol wrote: »

When we have outdoor hospitability , some will claim that the pubs are open when they aren't really open as there should be.
Partially open with restrictions and limited capacity isn't Open.
Anybody who claims that is open is dishonest.

If a pub is open with restrictions and limited capacity, then it's open. There's no dishonesty in that statement. It's a fact.

19-05-2021 10:10AM

Penfailed wrote: »

It could be argued that if you start at a high level of restriction and ease them as slowly as we have, then 6% is accurate compared to other countries?

The relative positions may be correct but the weighting factors on different measures are way off

Penfailed · 19-05-2021 10:11AM

paw patrol wrote: »

barbeque and obligatory house party for the weekend planned.
Don't even know the legal limit for guests...

Meeting with people indoors

You cannot have visitors to your home except in the following situations:

Fully vaccinated people can meet indoors with other fully vaccinated people (up to a maximum of 3 households)
Fully vaccinated people from a maximum of 2 households can meet indoors with unvaccinated people from one other household.

MOH · 19-05-2021 10:40AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

No more lockdowns.

That said, the government haven’t ruled out ‘circuit breaker’ or ‘log jammer’ style restrictions in the winter.

Cillian de Gascun said we should be able to avoid any further nationwide lockdowns. That was last July.
Mind you he also claimed we had the infrastructure in place to quickly detect and isolate clusters, which turned out to be an outright lie.

hynesie08 wrote: »

Are we supposed to be happy that the vaccine rollout has been so successful that normality is returning?

Probably.

Are we supposed to be happy that outside of varying degrees of lockdown, the Government didn't implement a single pro-active measure for the entirety of 2020? Resulting in a surge in cases and deaths at the end of the year, and months of lockdown. And deflected blame for their inaction onto various cohorts of the general public.
But hey, vaccines, so shure they did a great job.

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Would have to question what use that index is when France is rated below Ireland as of the the 18th May. A country where you cannot leave your house between 7pm and 6am without a permission slip and non essential retail closed.

People keep reacting to the word curfew.
They don't seem to realise that under our level 5 restrictions you could not leave your home at all, except for exercise and essential shopping. It was effectively a 24-hour curfew. Luckily most people ignored it.

Penfailed · 19-05-2021 10:44AM

MOH wrote: »

People keep reacting to the word curfew.
They don't seem to realise that under our level 5 restrictions you could not leave your home at all, except for exercise and essential shopping. It was effectively a 24-hour curfew. Luckily most people ignored it.

If most people ignored it then it wasn't effectively a 24-hour curfew. It's enforced in France with the police checking and fining people.

Boggles · 19-05-2021 10:58AM

MOH wrote: »

People keep reacting to the word curfew.
They don't seem to realise that under our level 5 restrictions you could not leave your home at all, except for exercise and essential shopping.

I imagine no one realizes that because it is false.

MOH wrote: »

It was effectively a 24-hour curfew. Luckily most people ignored it.

How do you know what most people did or didn't do?

But I think what you mean is most people didn't stick to your fictional Level 6 restrictions.

Why would they?

MOH · 19-05-2021 11:15AM

Penfailed wrote: »

If most people ignored it then it wasn't effectively a 24-hour curfew. It's enforced in France with the police checking and fining people.

So you're saying restrictions don't exist unless people follow them?

Boggles wrote: »

I imagine no one realizes that because it is false.

How do you know what most people did or didn't do?

But I think what you mean is most people didn't stick to your fictional Level 6 restrictions.

Why would they?

Admittedly I'd meant to put "essential journeys" instead of "essential shopping", but that doesn't greatly change the context.
The first sentence of the level 5 restrictions:
"At Level 5, the public health risk means that you will be asked to stay at home, except for travel for work, education or other essential purposes, or to take exercise within 5km of home."
Further down the page this is strengthened to:
"People will be required to stay at home except for travel for work, education or other essential purposes, and will be permitted to take exercise within 5 km of home."

The fact remains that apart from an extremely narrow list of permitted exceptions, level 5 was a 24-hour curfew. Whether this was actually observed or enforced is irrelevant.

There is no level 6 Boggles, would have thought you'd know that by now.

Boggles · 19-05-2021 11:24AM

MOH wrote: »

The fact remains that apart from an extremely narrow list of permitted exceptions, level 5 was a 24-hour curfew.

Nope.

Curfew means you can't leave your home after or before permitted times. We never had that.

Also in France who still have a curfew you also needed "permission slips", we never had that either.

If you felt you were confined to your home for 24 hours that is down to you.

Personally I didn't and I would have disliked if we went the French route, I can see how it is easier please, but no.

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