Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

PTH2009

normanoffside wrote: »

When do the leaks start?

Reckon the weekend

Lets hope its properly thought in terms of the events trials

normanoffside

MOR316 wrote: »

Would anyone like to explain to me why drive in movies are now banned?

Yeah those pesky Drive in Movies have caused massive outbreaks :rolleyes:

Meanwhile congregated state run facilities are still the real driver of cases but look over there>>>>

https://www.clareecho.ie/all-residents-of-ennis-direct-provision-centre-in-quarantine-following-covid-19-outbreak/

growleaves

Singapore Asks Twitter, FB to Issue Correction on COVID Strain

Amid a row over Delhi CM Arvind Kejriwal’s comments claiming that there is a new COVID strain in the country, Singapore’s Ministry of Health has directed Facebook and Twitter to issue a correction notice on the same for all users of social media in the country, calling it a “false statement”.

“The Ministry of Health (MOH) is aware of a false statement circulating online by multiple media outlets and social media platforms, which implies that a new, previously unknown variant of COVID-19 originated in Singapore and/or risks spreading to India from Singapore,” the Health Ministry said in a statement.

“There is no new “Singapore” variant of COVID 19. Neither is there evidence of any COVID-19 variant that is ‘extremely dangerous for kids’,” the statement reiterated, adding that the variant spreading was one that had originated in India.

The correction orders were issued under Singapore's Protection from Online Falsehoods and Manipulation Act.

Well at least one new variant has failed to get off the ground.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

100%, of course anyone who uses logic would be anxious for the future in Ireland

That same logic you were using earlier this year to forecast that the relaxation would be as slow as last year. It's not the first time you've been wrong.

growleaves

Penfailed wrote: »

That same logic you were using earlier this year to forecast that the relaxation would be as slow as last year. It's not the first time you've been wrong.

???

How much quicker are we going now? No indoor dining til July.

Silentcorner

Penfailed wrote: »

That same logic you were using earlier this year to forecast that the relaxation would be as slow as last year. It's not the first time you've been wrong.

Well if you look at the data.

This year the viral surge ended at the beginning of Feb...three and a half months ago...and we still can't sit outside a cafe, and just this week non essential retail opened up.

Last year the viral surge ended sometime in April....three and a half months after that was July/Aug....the pubs were open and the cafes were open and retail was open at that stage.

The viral surge ends when you can go back testing healthy people...

So, Fintan wasn't too far wrong.

CruelSummer

So...drive in movies are banned? Ridiculous

MOR316

normanoffside wrote: »

Yeah those pesky Drive in Movies have caused massive outbreaks :rolleyes:

Meanwhile congregated state run facilities are still the real driver of cases but look over there>>>>

https://www.clareecho.ie/all-residents-of-ennis-direct-provision-centre-in-quarantine-following-covid-19-outbreak/

Still waiting for someone to give a rational explanation to me...
Even members of The Dail are baffled by this...

Graham

MOR316 wrote: »

Still waiting for someone to give a rational explanation to me...
Even members of The Dail are baffled by this...

As posted earlier, it looks like it may have been an oversight when new legislation was introduced.

The appropriate minister has been asked to clarify.

normanoffside

Forget about it lads, There's a new triple-mutant Yorkshire variant on the loose

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1395468659905204233

Mullaghteelin

Silentcorner wrote: »

Try running a business or employing people, or paying a mortgage if you have no clue what will happen in 6 months time...

None of us ever know what may happen in 6 months time, and perhaps we are all spoiled and complacent by assuming life is predictable and the status quo will always win out..



We have always taken for granted that we can plan ahead months, or years, down the line, but perhaps this is a luxury caused by us being too comfortable for too long, Life throws up surprises and puts challenges in our way. All our best laid plans can vanish overnight.

We gamble that everything continues the way it has always been. We all gamble that life will be the same next year and so on, and risk gettting burnt when plans fall apart.

PTH2009

normanoffside wrote: »

Forget about it lads, There's a new triple-mutant Yorkshire variant on the loose

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1395468659905204233

Christ

Dr. Bre

normanoffside wrote: »

Forget about it lads, There's a new triple-mutant Yorkshire variant on the loose

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1395468659905204233

The new Yorkshire ripper

growleaves

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

None of us ever know what may happen in 6 months time, and perhaps we are all spoiled and complacent by assuming life is predictable and the status quo will always win out..



We have always taken for granted that we can plan ahead months, or years, down the line, but perhaps this is a luxury caused by us being too comfortable for too long, Life throws up surprises and puts challenges in our way. All our best laid plans can vanish overnight.

We gamble that everything continues the way it has always been. We all gamble that life will be the same next year and so on, and risk gettting burnt when plans fall apart.

Not at all. The luxury is in using a credit-based economic freeze to indulge our neuroses about germs and hide out from a routine virus pandemic. Only twelve years after a financial crisis.

You can bet this won't be the last "crisis" either. Catastrophising is almost the whole of politics now.

The lesson is don't be over-leveraged because there is no longer any reasonable expectation of economic stability.

MOR316

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christ

Article says the vaccine has been shown to work against all variants.

Then again, it's the media. They love a good headline to manipulate people into a narrative

MOR316

Graham wrote: »

As posted earlier, it looks like it may have been an oversight when new legislation was introduced.

The appropriate minister has been asked to clarify.

Cool, thanks. Must have missed the post

Penfailed

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well if you look at the data.

This year the viral surge ended at the beginning of Feb...three and a half months ago...and we still can't sit outside a cafe, and just this week non essential retail opened up.

Last year the viral surge ended sometime in April....three and a half months after that was July/Aug....the pubs were open and the cafes were open and retail was open at that stage.

The viral surge ends when you can go back testing healthy people...

So, Fintan wasn't too far wrong.

Nicely moving goalposts there. Back when Fintan made his prediction, he said it would be the same as last year. He didn't suggest that the opening would move to suit the end of the viral surge.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

Nicely moving goalposts there. Back when Fintan made his prediction, he said it would be the same as last year. He didn't suggest that the opening would move to suit the end of the viral surge.

I have to dumb my posting down slightly so everyone can understand

Tork

MOR316 wrote: »

Article says the vaccine has been shown to work against all variants.

Then again, it's the media. They love a good headline to manipulate people into a narrative

And you think somebody dumping a link off Twitter in here and going "Christ!" isn't fearmongering too?

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I have to dumb my posting down slightly so everyone can understand

I'm mistakenly accused of condescension earlier this evening. You 'thank' the post. You then put up a post dripping with condescension fishing for 'thanks'. You're better than that Fintan.

MOR316

Tork wrote: »

And you think somebody dumping a link off Twitter in here and going "Christ!" isn't fearmongering too?

Ha well...

I'm sure PTH2009 is a lovely guy and all but, despite what you may think, the majority of the country's adult population is not hanging on his every word, nor does this thread represent the majority of this country's attitude and mindset.

So, to answer, do I think someone posting "Christ" in relation to an over the top headline from a national UK rag, isn't fearmongering? No, I don't think it's fearmongering.
I think it's just a person who is frustrated and anxious over the current predicament, who wants his life back and gets jumpy when he sees something threaten that, like that ****ty headline. He's just a poster who is frustrated and sick of things as they are and has a different way of expressing it than you.

I haven't read much of this thread but, posters seem to be ganging up on him because he's not sharing some other posters' points of view. Which is kinda sad really. Playground stuff.

Peace, love and understanding to all

PTH2009

Lads i meant 'Christ' as a passing remark, nothing serious just the irish way

Like watching a match etc 'i'll say Christ that was good/bad play/goal/'

No scaremongering meant whatsoever

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

Forget about it lads, There's a new triple-mutant Yorkshire variant on the loose

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1395468659905204233

Do ye go out of ye're way to find negative stories to feed the thread doom mongering.

Just a few post up on the same twitter feed you will find the below

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1395479114207924231

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well if you look at the data.

This year the viral surge ended at the beginning of Feb...three and a half months ago...and we still can't sit outside a cafe, and just this week non essential retail opened up.

Last year the viral surge ended sometime in April....three and a half months after that was July/Aug....the pubs were open and the cafes were open and retail was open at that stage.

The viral surge ends when you can go back testing healthy people...

So, Fintan wasn't too far wrong.

Surge ended in February this year because:
a. through significant restrictions contacts were reduced massively thus suppressing the virus
b. would have happened anyway lockdown or no lockdown because reasons and anyway reducing contacts between people cant reduce spread of a virus transmitted by contact between people because science

lee_baby_simms

It feels like we’re approaching a ‘boy who cried variant’ moment soon.

The risk averse will need to find a new angle to keep peoples attention.

_Kaiser_

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do ye go out of ye're way to find negative stories to feed the thread doom mongering

The post above could easily and justifiably have been leveled at you and others only a few months ago.

I continue to find it hugely bemusing that the same posters who spent a year belittling and dismissing people who were against the largely disproportionate and harsh restrictions - and who constantly cited examples elsewhere to justify it - have now apparently done a complete 180 and are now attacking people for wanting assurances and certainty from Government that the same excuses won't be used to slide us back into lockdowns and level 5s in the coming months.

It's the same posters who are claiming that the sudden and unexpected acceleration of the easing of restrictions a few weeks ago was always the plan and attacked others for asking why, and accusing them of never being happy etc.

I guess the difference is some will accept what they're told without question or analysis if it comes from official or authoritative sources, whereas most will still want to see the reasoning and detail behind it.

Personally I think the latter is a lot healthier for a democratic and representative society, and the former is a mindset that has no place in the liberal Republic we claim to be.

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

Surge ended in February this year because:
a. through significant restrictions contacts were reduced massively thus suppressing the virus
b. would have happened anyway lockdown or no lockdown because reasons and anyway reducing contacts between people cant reduce spread of a virus transmitted by contact between people because science

Either way it ended at the beginning of February, we could have relaxed the severe restrictions and it would have had very little impact on our health system....you know this yourself.

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The post above could easily and justifiably have been leveled at you and others only a few months ago.

I continue to find it hugely bemusing that the same posters who spent a year belittling and dismissing people who were against the largely disproportionate and harsh restrictions - and who constantly cited examples elsewhere to justify it - have now apparently done a complete 180 and are now attacking people for wanting assurances and certainty from Government that the same excuses won't be used to slide us back into lockdowns and level 5s in the coming months.

It's the same posters who are claiming that the sudden and unexpected acceleration of the easing of restrictions a few weeks ago was always the plan and attacked others for asking why, and accusing them of never being happy etc.

I guess the difference is some will accept what they're told without question or analysis if it comes from official or authoritative sources, whereas most will still want to see the reasoning and detail behind it.

Personally I think the latter is a lot healthier for a democratic and representative society, and the former is a mindset that has no place in the liberal Republic we claim to be.

1st paragraph - you wont find any "doom mongering" posts from me.

2nd paragraph - you dont think its possible that a changing situation can result in a change of direction? And it was the bizarre mental gymnastics and irrational hate mongering from some that was the object of most scorn.

3rd paragraph - some of us stated back in February that you may be surprised by the pace of relaxation

4th Paragraph - some will actually check the "facts" for themselves and not some bizarre alternative reality constructed to provide easy answers to complex problems

5th Paragraph - dissent is always a good thing thing, when not based on bizarre fantasy

Boggles

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's the same posters who are claiming that the sudden and unexpected acceleration of the easing of restrictions a few weeks ago was always the plan and attacked others for asking why

When you say "others" - are those the ones who claimed we would be locked down until 2022?

I can see why that cohort would think it an unexpected acceleration all right.

Silentcorner

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The post above could easily and justifiably have been leveled at you and others only a few months ago.


I guess the difference is some will accept what they're told without question or analysis if it comes from official or authoritative sources, whereas most will still want to see the reasoning and detail behind it.

Personally I think the latter is a lot healthier for a democratic and representative society, and the former is a mindset that has no place in the liberal Republic we claim to be.

Yip...the same posters who bought into the "new virus" scare mongering nonsense that was pushed on us last February.

And even though I am cautiously optimistic we will not see a level 5 lock down, you can literally name the posters who will be supporting what ever the government decides.