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Munster vs Connacht, Fri 14th May 6pm; Eir Sport

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Zzippy wrote: »
    That somehow makes it even sweeter ;)

    Committing robbery in an away match is a sweet victory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Strumms wrote: »
    What does Joy Neville be looking at ?

    When she's working, generally a rugby match on a tv screen. Can't speak for the rest of her time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Enjoyed that game, despite losing. Rainbow Cup is great craic so far, games involving the Irish teams anyway.

    We had enough opportunities to win it and didn't take them, idiotic penalties and errors.

    Congrats Connacht!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    I've watched the knock on decision for the Conway try and I don't see anything clear and obvious. Munster can feel aggrieved at that one.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    I've watched the knock on decision for the Conway try and I don't see anything clear and obvious. Munster can feel aggrieved at that one.

    It was a tight one but of it wasn't a knock on then the ball was kicked into Archer so was accidental offside. And even if that didn't happen it was so hard to call that nobody can feel aggrieved. No team ever gets every tight call their way and if that's what they need to win games then they don't deserve to win them. That call wasn't some crazy decision thst clearly went against all evidence ending up as a wild miscarriage of justice. So Munster need to just get over it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 486 ✭✭Shaka Hislop


    If you give away 2 sloppy trys, and then don't keep your discipline in the game....you're giving the officials a chance to come into play, and that doesn't always end well.
    This defeat is on sloppy Munster play, but that doesn't mean the officiating has to be ignored ..we deserve better, it's that simple


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,640 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    molloyjh wrote: »
    It was a tight one but of it wasn't a knock on then the ball was kicked into Archer so was accidental offside. And even if that didn't happen it was so hard to call that nobody can feel aggrieved. No team ever gets every tight call their way and if that's what they need to win games then they don't deserve to win them. That call wasn't some crazy decision thst clearly went against all evidence ending up as a wild miscarriage of justice. So Munster need to just get over it.

    That’s a different incident than the one Thomond is referring to tho, no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭eclipsechaser


    molloyjh wrote: »
    It was a tight one but of it wasn't a knock on then the ball was kicked into Archer so was accidental offside. And even if that didn't happen it was so hard to call that nobody can feel aggrieved. No team ever gets every tight call their way and if that's what they need to win games then they don't deserve to win them. That call wasn't some crazy decision thst clearly went against all evidence ending up as a wild miscarriage of justice. So Munster need to just get over it.

    Was there not also a Connacht hand at the breakdown searching for the ball? I couldn't see how it went forward - could have been a knock-on or a kick from Munster - but I thought it was at least possible that it was the Connacht player getting a hand to it and knocking it back towards themself.

    That might be the least likely option but if it's not clear, you probably shouldn't be canceling the try.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    Any replays of the Connacht "forward pass" from late in the first half btw? I thought it was harsh at the time but would need to see it again really.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    aloooof wrote: »
    That’s a different incident than the one Thomond is referring to tho, no?

    Maybe. I didn't see the game, just a couple of highlights. If so then disregard.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 486 ✭✭Shaka Hislop


    Any replays of the Connacht "forward pass" from late in the first half btw? I thought it was harsh at the time but would need to see it again really.

    Thought so too at the time, haven't seen a replay yet though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,631 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Full match link:

    https://youtu.be/pZHUARFCru8

    Connacht forward pass incident at 35:50 video time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,243 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    leakyboots wrote: »
    Enjoyed that game, despite losing. Rainbow Cup is great craic so far, games involving the Irish teams anyway.

    We had enough opportunities to win it and didn't take them, idiotic penalties and errors.

    Congrats Connacht!
    Anything to be said for an annual inter pro series?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,243 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    molloyjh wrote: »
    It was a tight one but of it wasn't a knock on then the ball was kicked into Archer so was accidental offside. And even if that didn't happen it was so hard to call that nobody can feel aggrieved. No team ever gets every tight call their way and if that's what they need to win games then they don't deserve to win them. That call wasn't some crazy decision thst clearly went against all evidence ending up as a wild miscarriage of justice. So Munster need to just get over it.
    In fairness, nobody wants every single call to be correct but when tries are involved they are game changing decisions

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    Full match link:

    https://youtu.be/pZHUARFCru8

    Connacht forward pass incident at 35:50 video time.

    Hard to tell for sure but in hindsight I think that was a fair call.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    molloyjh wrote: »
    It was a tight one but of it wasn't a knock on then the ball was kicked into Archer so was accidental offside. And even if that didn't happen it was so hard to call that nobody can feel aggrieved. No team ever gets every tight call their way and if that's what they need to win games then they don't deserve to win them. That call wasn't some crazy decision thst clearly went against all evidence ending up as a wild miscarriage of justice. So Munster need to just get over it.

    Absolutely. Either knocked on or accidental offside but the try couldn't stand either way.

    It was an entertaining game for the neutral and the utter lack of any semblance of discipline on either side was hilarious.

    Absolute dick comment from CJ about the ref too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭ridonkulous


    Absolute dick comment from CJ about the ref too.

    What did he say?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭guapos


    Will be interesting to see what pro 14 do about Standers comments. Should be a ban but don't see it happening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Anything to be said for an annual inter pro series?




    I'd be in favour of the Aviva inauguration format, reducing it to a single game every summer for those for can feel ill-treated for not being picked with Ireland




    Munster/Connacht vs Leinster/Ulster would be great with 2 strong XV;


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Former Former Former






  • Any replays of the Connacht "forward pass" from late in the first half btw? I thought it was harsh at the time but would need to see it again really.

    It was a clear try, nuts to call it,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    Absolutely. Either knocked on or accidental offside but the try couldn't stand either way.

    It was an entertaining game for the neutral and the utter lack of any semblance of discipline on either side was hilarious.

    Absolute dick comment from CJ about the ref too.

    Still a different incident. The knock on called on the try was by DDA.

    Not a great comment from CJ. He may be retiring but Munster still in action and will have same ref again at some point. He took over captaincy from POM it seems so you'd imagine Peter had similar outlook but was keeping it to himself.

    Ref didn't help but Munster can only blame themselves... Lineout misfiring at crucial moments again, didn't protect the ball enough at times, didn't slow connacht ball, stupid penalties and brain fades, little offered in backline, and a couple of costly errors (stray pass from casey and restart that both led to tries).

    🤪



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭connachta


    connachta wrote: »
    I'd be in favour of the Aviva inauguration format, reducing it to a single game every summer for those for can feel ill-treated for not being picked with Ireland


    Munster/Connacht vs Leinster/Ulster would be great with 2 strong XV;


    + it would offer a proper hurrah to those leaving, like Wolfhound/Baabaas did for some rare.


    You'd have


    Buckely vs McGrath
    Marshall vs Cronin
    Ryan vs Moore
    Wycherley vs Carter
    Kleyn vs Toner
    Coombes vs Doris
    Boyle vs Murphy (Josh or Jordi)
    CJ vs Coetze
    Marmion vs Cooney
    Carty vs Madigan
    T.Daly vs Hume
    C or T Farrell vs O'Brien or O'Loughlin
    Wooton vs Lyttle
    S.Daly vs Baloucoune
    Porch vs Addison


    J.Cronin vs EOS
    Delahunt vs McBurney
    Aungier vs Bent
    Roux vs O'Connor
    Prendergast vs Penny
    Blade vs L.McGrath
    B.Healy vs Frawley
    Gallagher vs Lowry


    None in the Irish 35 but
    Tasty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    Why did Munster change captain during the game ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭yerrahbah


    Cant give the opposition two tries and not expect o be punished

    That said we were still in with a chance right until the end.

    Munster were playing against a really strong wind in the 1st half,

    And then in the 2nd half comms seem to mentioned that the wind died down and there was a downpour.

    Lineout is still malfunctioning at crucial times, We are still hit and miss at receiving restarts and still giving away daft penalties

    JOD seemed too wound up last night, had a suspect clearout on halfway in the 2nd half and had that nonsense with Papali'i which caused O'Mahonys try to be overturned

    The maul wasn't the weapon I'd hoped it would be and I'd say we had crazy possession and territory stats in the 2nd half but just couldn't find the scores

    Scrum was well on top in the fist half, Was swapping out the Connacht props just before H/T and Connacht surviving that scrum the difference between winning and losing the game?

    Most frustrating part is that a win last night would have given us a clear pathway to the final, Now not so sure


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Connacht forward pass incident at 35:50 video time.
    Look backwards out of his hand to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Look backwards out of his hand to me.

    Whooton offside at the ruck anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    The offload to Casey seconds beforehand was far more forward to my eye. Player falling to the ground offloaded just outside the 22. Casey catches the ball 1m inside the 22.

    I don't think momentum was really the decisive factor given he was going to ground, it appears to go in a forward motion directly out of the hands.

    Wootton potentially offside at the ruck but there's a grey area there as to whether the Munster player who goes over the top is part of the ruck. Wootton was certainly onside when the ruck was formed.

    I wouldn't be too harsh on the referee for calling the pass forward. It certainly went significantly forward due to the speed of the move and momentum. The floated pass presented a bad picture, highlighting just how further down the pitch the ball was caught. In a passage being played at such pace, the referee is going to make a snap call on what he can see.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Buer wrote: »
    The offload to Casey seconds beforehand was far more forward to my eye. Player falling to the ground offloaded just outside the 22. Casey catches the ball 1m inside the 22.

    I don't think momentum was really the decisive factor given he was going to ground, it appears to go in a forward motion directly out of the hands.

    Wootton potentially offside at the ruck but there's a grey area there as to whether the Munster player who goes over the top is part of the ruck. Wootton was certainly onside when the ruck was formed.

    Watched the game back. JOD was very lucky. A few ruck entries about 10 min from the end, one looked like he definitely connected with the connacht locks head with his upper arm.

    His reaction to Papaili freeing himself and getting back in the defensive line was awful. AP pushes him on the head and has no interest in getting involved.

    Beirne also had Buckley I think in a headlock on 65 which was ignored.


    Standers post match comments are bizarre. The wording to me suggests there is a prevailing thought in Munster camp that they feel the refs are out to get them. "I can say it now, I'm done"


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