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Water John · 24-04-2021 9:01pm

richie123 wrote: »

Price has rose 25 cent in past few weeks.if it was a cartel there would be no price rise would you not agree ?
Would lack of supply with the kill being down have anything to do with it ?
Demand being up?

I'm saying it a long time like a broken recorder at this stage..less stock is more money at less cost for the farmer.

Ah Richie, they couldn't do the dog on it altogether and basically invite in inspection. At some point, unless they yielded a bit the price control would be undeniable. They're very much stretching credulity, as it is.

Anto_Meath · 24-04-2021 9:10pm

The factories are funny, they work as a cartel but would cut one another on a regular basis too. Nothing pissed them off more than loosing cattle they thought they were sure off.

Bass Reeves · 24-04-2021 9:48pm

richie123 wrote: »

Price has rose 25 cent in past few weeks.if it was a cartel there would be no price rise would you not agree ?
Would lack of supply with the kill being down have anything to do with it ?
Demand being up?

I'm saying it a long time like a broken recorder at this stage..less stock is more money at less cost for the farmer.

It all very well to talk about reducing stocking rates. While I agree that lads should only work on profitability. There are many things outside farmers control.

An interesting factor is looking at the risk of destocking. There is talk at present of a nitrates quota being assigned to every farm. Therefore reducing stock numbers could have other implications. This could leave individual farmers who take this action exposed.

There is a huge push to reduce slaughter age. It is being pushed as an answer to climate change. There is no questioning the cost implications by the powers that be. It's a massive flawed assumption that we can reduce slaughter age without incurring extra cost as well as the implications to reintroducing seasonality to the slaughtering process.

The dairy sector will not not allow wholesale calf slaughtering, live export of calves,weanlings and cattle is on a fine thread and we have the dairy herd growing at 50k+/year.

Another interesting fact we now know. If as Board Bia states that the UK market had extra demand in the first quarter how come we had pressure on beef prices in February which coincided with the need of processor's to fill feedlots for May/June slaughter

richie123 · 24-04-2021 10:23pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It all very well to talk about reducing stocking rates. While I agree that lads should only work on profitability. There are many things outside farmers control.

An interesting factor is looking at the risk of destocking. There is talk at present of a nitrates quota being assigned to every farm. Therefore reducing stock numbers could have other implications. This could leave individual farmers who take this action exposed.

There is a huge push to reduce slaughter age. It is being pushed as an answer to climate change. There is no questioning the cost implications by the powers that be. It's a massive flawed assumption that we can reduce slaughter age without incurring extra cost as well as the implications to reintroducing seasonality to the slaughtering process.

The dairy sector will not not allow wholesale calf slaughtering, live export of calves,weanlings and cattle is on a fine thread and we have the dairy herd growing at 50k+/year.

Another interesting fact we now know. If as Board Bia states that the UK market had extra demand in the first quarter how come we had pressure on beef prices in February which coincided with the need of processor's to fill feedlots for May/June slaughter

Sure the whole thing is one big sorry mess as far as I can see and climate change is gonna be a massive pain in the hole with regards beef farming.hard to know what way its gonna go but its not looking good.

amacca · 24-04-2021 10:38pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

An interesting factor is looking at the risk of destocking. There is talk at present of a nitrates quota being assigned to every farm. Therefore reducing stock numbers could have other implications. This could leave individual farmers who take this action exposed.

So you reckon we could be in a reference year for stock quota type scenario?

Bass Reeves wrote: »

There is a huge push to reduce slaughter age. It is being pushed as an answer to climate change. There is no questioning the cost implications by the powers that be. It's a massive flawed assumption that we can reduce slaughter age without incurring extra cost as well as the implications to reintroducing seasonality to the slaughtering process.

If it's the environment we are trying to protect then reducing slaughter age is a counter productive "solution" imo

It's just going to lead to more numbers to try turn a profit, increased inputs and decreased prices unless the aim is to drive people out of business so they can plant anything that isn't a dairy farm.

If you increased the slaughter age so cattle have time to come into weight naturally without pumping meal etc into them and pay a half decent price then I'd almost think stocking rates would be lower as the more obviously efficient system would be invest very little and wait till they come into weight

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The dairy sector will not not allow wholesale calf slaughtering, live export of calves,weanlings and cattle is on a fine thread and we have the dairy herd growing at 50k+/year.

They should be left with any narrow arse short gestation runts they turn out imo.......that might encourage producing something actually worth rearing.

Good loser · 25-04-2021 1:36am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

On a 340 kg carcasse there is now a 270 euro difference between the UK and Ireland even after the f@@king 25c. Where we are now we should have been at Christmas. The penny is even dropping now with those that gave the market forces BS up to now. Every farm organisation is up in arms over it at this stage. I suppose we will have some one trot on soon and blame BP

We do not have a God given right to get the English/British market price.
The British consumer decides he wants British beef and the supermarkets deliver.
(Our prices are 10/20 c higher than Europe average - admittedly R3 bulls; are they not more entitled to complain than us?)
Naturally as the price gap grows demand adjusts and more people will stop paying the 'British premium'; this rises prices in Ireland as happened recently.
Irish factories adjust to market forces (as slowly as possible - again market forces). The prices will oscillate until the long term average is re established. Probably at €100/head lower.

Times are good now. As Brexit continues I think the omens are bad.

grange mac · 30-04-2021 10:17pm

Skibb today U= Charolais bullocks *3, 2 gold & 1 white. 545kg 1600.
Black R-, AA bullock 660kg 1600.....
Good luck to buyers making money after giving those prices.

Sugarbowl · 30-04-2021 10:27pm

grange mac wrote: »

Skibb today U= Charolais *3, 2 gold & 1 white. 545kg 1600.
Black R-, AA 660kg 1600.....
Good luck to buyers making money after giving those prices.

Bullocks is it?

Cavanjack · 01-05-2021 8:38am

grange mac wrote: »

Skibb today U= Charolais bullocks *3, 2 gold & 1 white. 545kg 1600.
Black R-, AA bullock 660kg 1600.....
Good luck to buyers making money after giving those prices.

Probably gone to a feedlot

DukeCaboom · 01-05-2021 8:59am

Cavanjack wrote: »

Probably gone to a feedlot

Not in skibb. Theres one chap there fools around with those big cattle close by.

Cavanjack · 01-05-2021 10:15am

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Not in skibb. Theres one chap there fools around with those big cattle close by.

Fool being the word.

kk.man · 01-05-2021 1:48pm

grange mac wrote: »

Skibb today U= Charolais bullocks *3, 2 gold & 1 white. 545kg 1600.
Black R-, AA bullock 660kg 1600.....
Good luck to buyers making money after giving those prices.

Need not worry they'll make money for the next guy too.

Water John · 01-05-2021 10:10pm

There has to be at least two bidders for a price. Great money, organic wouldn't make that a few weeks ago, but not complaining.

SuperTortoise · 03-05-2021 12:01pm

640kg 15 months €1460 Bullock
600kg 14 months €1370 Bullock
375kg 11 months €980 Heifer
895kg Cow €1880
975kg Cow €2060

locky76 · 03-05-2021 12:55pm

I have 15 dairy bred Whitehead heifers around the 420kg mark. Lovely shape to them. Only one move on the card.
What sort of money are they making presently?

Grueller · 03-05-2021 1:22pm

locky76 wrote: »

I have 15 dairy bred Whitehead heifers around the 420kg mark. Lovely shape to them. Only one move on the card.
What sort of money are they making presently?

€900
I bought some at €2.20 a kilo a month ago

Bass Reeves · 03-05-2021 1:36pm

Grueller wrote: »

€900
I bought some at €2.20 a kilo a month ago

Prices could struggle for next few weeks because of grass. As well any castle selling now will be at grass 2-3 weeks+ so a lot of the early compensatory growth may be gone

trg · 03-05-2021 2:45pm

Ch bullock 530kg Dec 19 €1,100
Ch bullock 370kg Feb 20 €940
Lm bullock 410kg Mar 20 €900

They were good quality but only sold the lighter Ch.

I've demoralised myself completely now by going back to Oct 20 weights, they made little weight up in the meantime......on 2kg nuts per day.

Offered €2.50/€2.45 per kg in mid February before the father realised they weren't in test. Scalded now.

Think I'll see if we could get rid of the 10 best at housing time and keep the rest. We've a good decent hill with water so they become very low maintenance and tear away over there and thrive the finest. I wonder would AA or HE be better there than continentals though sometimes.

jd_12345 · 03-05-2021 2:45pm

Sold 460kg Friesian bullocks (February 2020) in Bandon today - €785 - happy enough tbh

Hershall · 03-05-2021 3:17pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Prices could struggle for next few weeks because of grass. As well any castle selling now will be at grass 2-3 weeks+ so a lot of the early compensatory growth may be gone

Some cattle being sold now might look cheaper but if theyre out a while and have a good thrive done theyre poor value

Bass Reeves · 03-05-2021 4:14pm

trg wrote: »

Ch bullock 530kg Dec 19 €1,100
Ch bullock 370kg Feb 20 €940
Lm bullock 410kg Mar 20 €900

They were good quality but only sold the lighter Ch.

I've demoralised myself completely now by going back to Oct 20 weights, they made little weight up in the meantime......on 2kg nuts per day.

Offered €2.50/€2.45 per kg in mid February before the father realised they weren't in test. Scalded now.

Think I'll see if we could get rid of the 10 best at housing time and keep the rest. We've a good decent hill with water so they become very low maintenance and tear away over there and thrive the finest. I wonder would AA or HE be better there than continentals though sometimes.

This BEEP scheme weighting is opening a lot of lads eyes. Neighbour weighted weanlings late in September last year. He had them in the last week difference between Autumn and weight now was only 60 kgs. They are out about 3 weeks. They would have got. Kg of ration inside. Allowing for 30 kgs difference in fresh and mart weight his weanling only did 30 kgs in last 7 months. Sage would be cut in late June

ABitofsense · 03-05-2021 6:23pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

This BEEP scheme weighting is opening a lot of lads eyes. Neighbour weighted weanlings late in September last year. He had them in the last week difference between Autumn and weight now was only 60 kgs. They are out about 3 weeks. They would have got. Kg of ration inside. Allowing for 30 kgs difference in fresh and mart weight his weanling only did 30 kgs in last 7 months. Sage would be cut in late June

That seems very poor wt. gain especially giving them meal. I had 4 heifer yearlings in mart Friday. I weighed late in September too before weaning, they gained 150kg (2 butty ZAG) to 200kg (AAx) over the winter on end may haylage & 1kg nuts a day. No grass to let them out to so no choice but sell them.
AAx 940e at 460kg, Black LMxs 840e 410kg, Pair 700e average 350kg. No grà for black LMx at all

trg · 03-05-2021 7:29pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

This BEEP scheme weighting is opening a lot of lads eyes. Neighbour weighted weanlings late in September last year. He had them in the last week difference between Autumn and weight now was only 60 kgs. They are out about 3 weeks. They would have got. Kg of ration inside. Allowing for 30 kgs difference in fresh and mart weight his weanling only did 30 kgs in last 7 months. Sage would be cut in late June

How many KGs meal did they get?

Yeah not a chance they'd have been weighed without BEEP alright. I like it for that, knowledge is power.

I know you're not a fan of meal feeding to their equals.

Would they have gone back in weight if we hadn't bothered? And if so I wonder would they have caught up by time they're year and a half. We don't test the silage but what ever aftergrass silage is in it they get it. Rest of it must be poor quality.

We're going to sell the 10 best around housing time this autumn.

kk.man · 03-05-2021 8:14pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

This BEEP scheme weighting is opening a lot of lads eyes. Neighbour weighted weanlings late in September last year. He had them in the last week difference between Autumn and weight now was only 60 kgs. They are out about 3 weeks. They would have got. Kg of ration inside. Allowing for 30 kgs difference in fresh and mart weight his weanling only did 30 kgs in last 7 months. Sage would be cut in late June

Many don't realise this.

SuperTortoise · 04-05-2021 2:03pm

I'll go through my weight gain tonight if I get a chance and I'll post quantities of meal as well.

ruwithme · 08-05-2021 10:17pm

Anyone else have trouble with the marteye app today round lunchtime?maybe it's my connection,but i find i often have to delete it & reinstall again to get it going.

mickey1985 · 09-05-2021 11:53am

Iv noticed with the livestock live page I can no longer see previous prices or video highlights without subscribing for premium. Worked perfect until last few days. Was handy to see how sales went.

Bass Reeves · 09-05-2021 12:00pm

mickey1985 wrote: »

Iv noticed with the livestock live page I can no longer see previous prices or video highlights without subscribing for premium. Worked perfect until last few days. Was handy to see how sales went.

Ya this is a new thing. They can f@@k off if they think I will pay. I might for a month or two out when I am buying cattle but not all year around.....not sure even then

cute geoge · 09-05-2021 12:15pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Ya this is a new thing. They can f@@k off if they think I will pay. I might for a month or two out when I am buying cattle but not all year around.....not sure even then

You were raving about how you knew all the prices from the marts not too long ago ,now you would rather spend half the day in the mart not to mind the cost of diesel to get there .I think it is a mighty good service for farmers and can not see how marts could carry the full cost of this service

grassroot1 · 09-05-2021 12:27pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Ya this is a new thing. They can f@@k off if they think I will pay. I might for a month or two out when I am buying cattle but not all year around.....not sure even then

Agree b@llox to that
Interestingly was watching a suckler cow sale on Friday and was suprised to see a cow get multiple bids before she entered the ring never saw that at a live audience sale.
Find it funny that its never a problem for auctioneers getting a starting bid on an animal now.
Like on line auctions but if people start to loose faith in the process it will fail.

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