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Dunedin wrote: »

How much a ton and how much per head a day

Went crazy this year north of 400/tn

I feed at approx300g/hd/d,

Need to start of at a low level and build up as too much scours them, max 500g/hd/day I think

Water John

Soya bean meal (SBM) is 45% protein. We can grow alternatives here, but don't in any amounts.

mickey1985

Anyone have an idea what freisan bullocks approx 350kgs making?

Hard Knocks

mickey1985 wrote: »

Anyone have an idea what freisan bullocks approx 350kgs making?

In Carrigallen last Monday they were making €450-€500

jd_12345

mickey1985 wrote: »

Anyone have an idea what freisan bullocks approx 350kgs making?

Bandon today close to €600 I would think. Bullocks are a particularly strong trade in this part of the world with the summer grazer
380 kg €645
367 kg €560
320kg €575
340kg €575

jd_12345

Jjameson wrote: »

All narrowish?

Didn't see them selling. Just looked back at the price list. If they're anything over 12 months at 320kg theyre hungry cattle

There was right bundle of old fashion fr cattle in macroom Saturday. 430kg €830 . 2 Yr olds waving with the hunger.

jd_12345

DukeCaboom wrote: »

There was right bundle of old fashion fr cattle in macroom Saturday. 430kg €830 . 2 Yr olds waving with the hunger.

They've seen more dinner times than dinners. They'd be grand cattle to buy I suppose too. Fatten in no time with small frames. Last year when we were selling home reared Ho/fr bullocks it was extremely frustrating to see cattle a year older than ours 20/30 kg heavier making €150/head more

Albert Johnson

jd_12345 wrote: »

They've seen more dinner times than dinners. They'd be grand cattle to buy I suppose too. Fatten in no time with small frames. Last year when we were selling home reared Ho/fr bullocks it was extremely frustrating to see cattle a year older than ours 20/30 kg heavier making €150/head more

Would you be happy to look at your own cattle for an extra 12 months for another €150? Age versus weight is always a trade off imo, you can push them hard (with associated cost) for a short period or let them trundle along (with lower cost's) over a longer period. There's no money to be made in starving store cattle for an extra year but lorrying meal into young stock isn't a recipe for success either in most cases.

When buying grass cattle I'd always be on the look out for some "proper" hungry growthy type stock that will thrive. I've no interest in buying stock that are pumped full of meal and that will fail for the first 6 weeks post turnout as they readjust to a grass only diet. Granted I must be in the minority as judging by the steam coming off most stock I see going through the ring they're being fed winter and summer to meet popular demand. I watch stock being bought daily that are a ringing endorsement for the magic that concentrate feeding can achieve. I was always of the opinion that there wasn't much point in paying whatever price per kilo (be it €1.50, €2.50 ect) to then watch them throw off 30-50kg of it in the weeks following purchase.

Cavanjack

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Would you be happy to look at your own cattle for an extra 12 months for another €150? Age versus weight is always a trade off imo, you can push them hard (with associated cost) for a short period or let them trundle along (with lower cost's) over a longer period. There's no money to be made in starving store cattle for an extra year but lorrying meal into young stock isn't a recipe for success either in most cases.

When buying grass cattle I'd always be on the look out for some "proper" hungry growthy type stock that will thrive. I've no interest in buying stock that are pumped full of meal and that will fail for the first 6 weeks post turnout as they readjust to a grass only diet. Granted I must be in the minority as judging by the steam coming off most stock I see going through the ring they're being fed winter and summer to meet popular demand. I watch stock being bought daily that are a ringing endorsement for the magic that concentrate feeding can achieve. I was always of the opinion that there wasn't much point in paying whatever price per kilo (be it €1.50, €2.50 ect) to then watch them throw off 30-50kg of it in the weeks following purchase.

Couldn’t agree more on the hungry cattle for grass. I’ve had hungry bulls put on 260kg on grass alone from April to October. I’ve had bulls that were bought well fed barely reach 100kg in the same period. Lesson learned. Though it’s impossible to judge them right off a screen.
And as you said there appears to be no shortage of lads wanting to buy the lads with the steam coming off them. Maybe they do alright on good land.

Bass Reeves

DukeCaboom wrote: »

There was right bundle of old fashion fr cattle in macroom Saturday. 430kg €830 . 2 Yr olds waving with the hunger.

A lot of them would burst your chops. They look lovely and square and handy sized cattle. Problem with some of them is they only trundle along like a lot of the AA's. Hard to beat a growthy sq HO bullock like Clough put up a picture of

Albert Johnson

Cavanjack wrote: »

Couldn’t agree more on the hungry cattle for grass. I’ve had hungry bulls put on 260kg on grass alone from April to October. I’ve had bulls that were bought well fed barely reach 100kg in the same period. Lesson learned. Though it’s impossible to judge them right off a screen.
And as you said there appears to be no shortage of lads wanting to buy the lads with the steam coming off them. Maybe they do alright on good land.

They'd do OK if you were prepared to keep meal to them all summer and pay through the nose for every kilo gained. It's not something I'd consider but it seems to appeal to a lot of lad's. They'll then show them a year later weighing 700kg plus and be told of the great cattle they had. You'd then be told that they only "got a dusting of meal" to keep them quiet. There's less and less store cattle to be gotten every year, young stock of all age's are now fat cattle regardless.

Bass Reeves

Albert Johnson wrote: »

They'd do OK if you were prepared to keep meal to them all summer and pay through the nose for every kilo gained. It's not something I'd consider but it seems to appeal to a lot of lad's. They'll then show them a year later weighing 700kg plus and be told of the great cattle they had. You'd then be told that they only "got a dusting of meal" to keep them quiet. There's less and less store cattle to be gotten every year, young stock of all age's are now fat cattle regardless.

If you want store cattle buy them from August on. You will find there is s good few around especially Friesians hard to beat a hungry friesian

Albert Johnson

Albert Johnson wrote: »

They'd do OK if you were prepared to keep meal to them all summer and pay through the nose for every kilo gained. It's not something I'd consider but it seems to appeal to a lot of lad's. They'll then show them a year later weighing 700kg plus and be told of the great cattle they had. You'd then be told that they only "got a dusting of meal" to keep them quiet. There's less and less store cattle to be gotten every year, young stock of all age's are now fat cattle regardless.

I find those hungry store cattle are really gone since the punching went in 2005. People bought them drew what they could and sold them on.
Also the amount of small slatted houses put up the last 20 years , not that cattle were badly fed but cattle out on rough ground or big runs coming back to be fed in round feeders. That's almost extinct now.

jd_12345

Cavanjack wrote: »

Couldn’t agree more on the hungry cattle for grass. I’ve had hungry bulls put on 260kg on grass alone from April to October. I’ve had bulls that were bought well fed barely reach 100kg in the same period. Lesson learned. Though it’s impossible to judge them right off a screen.
And as you said there appears to be no shortage of lads wanting to buy the lads with the steam coming off them. Maybe they do alright on good land.

There’s hungry and there’s stunted. 430kg at two years of age is just bad management. From a very juvenile POV it pays to have nicely fed cattle if they can be got off before the second winter. Otherwise May as well be throwing the meal down the drain

MIKEKC

Bass Reeves wrote: »

If you want store cattle buy them from August on. You will find there is s good few around especially Friesians hard to beat a hungry friesian

330kg costing e520 at this time of year, (FR) will it not be hard to get these to700kg in October 22?. Very few 350kg around at the minute. The few that are there are costing up to e680.

Albert Johnson

DukeCaboom wrote: »

I find those hungry store cattle are really gone since the punching went in 2005. People bought them drew what they could and sold them on.
Also the amount of small slatted houses put up the last 20 years , not that cattle were badly fed but cattle out on rough ground or big runs coming back to be fed in round feeders. That's almost extinct now.

You've raised 2 valid points there and I'd agree fully that a lot of the rougher runs have been destocked atleast locally. Even in my lifetime there's been a large reduction in stock number's locally and a lot of land that used to produce those store's is now nursing a crop of trees.

Those that have stayed farming drystock have mostly reduced number's and now tend to give stock a better do compared to when they were maximising the stocking rate. A lot of lad's were traditionally overstocked and never had overfed cattle due to shortages in fodder both winter and summer. Nowadays there running half the stock on a similar land base and have the ability to feed rather than sustain young stock.

kk.man

DukeCaboom wrote: »

I find those hungry store cattle are really gone since the punching went in 2005. People bought them drew what they could and sold them on.
Also the amount of small slatted houses put up the last 20 years , not that cattle were badly fed but cattle out on rough ground or big runs coming back to be fed in round feeders. That's almost extinct now.

I completely agree. Last Thursday was a big sale in Kk mart I'd say 70% of the animals were 1st timers. 29% were 2nd timers or more. 1% were outlyers and I bet a dealer had them as they came from the west of Ireland. Brisk bidding as they came in the ring but not worth it hungry or no hungry.
430kgs fr or thereabouts at 2 years is animal cruelty.

Bass Reeves

jd_12345 wrote: »

There’s hungry and there’s stunted. 430kg at two years of age is just bad management. From a very juvenile POV it pays to have nicely fed cattle if they can be got off before the second winter. Otherwise May as well be throwing the meal down the drain

kk.man wrote: »

I completely agree. Last Thursday was a big sale in Kk mart I'd say 70% of the animals were 1st timers. 29% were 2nd timers or more. 1% were outlyers and I bet a dealer had them as they came from the west of Ireland. Brisk bidding as they came in the ring but not worth it hungry or no hungry.
430kgs fr or thereabouts at 2 years is animal cruelty.

I bought an April Charley last autumn 30 months 470 kgs he cost 770, he is over 600kgs now, I also bout a SIX small butty lad 380 kgs I paid 560 for him I day he is off a JEX cow he is tipping 500kgs now. I bought 25+ friesians anything from 330-470kgs. Lightest came in first its hard to pick some of the lightest now a good few are over 500kgs but there is ones not much with 400 kgs either I have another 25+ AA & HE bullocks that came in from 350-400kgs they nearly all be over 400kgs and some are over 450kgs.

None of these have seen a kg of ration yet. I will pick out 20ish anyy AA or He that is to finish in July and a spattering of FR's that will hang in late June/July in 10-15 days time. the start of May they will start on 3kgs/day of a maize/barley/hulls mixture.

Robson99

Albert Johnson wrote: »

They'd do OK if you were prepared to keep meal to them all summer and pay through the nose for every kilo gained. It's not something I'd consider but it seems to appeal to a lot of lad's. They'll then show them a year later weighing 700kg plus and be told of the great cattle they had. You'd then be told that they only "got a dusting of meal" to keep them quiet. There's less and less store cattle to be gotten every year, young stock of all age's are now fat cattle regardless.

Agree totally.
It's getting harder each year to buy storey type cattle.
Funny thing is lads would get as much for them without pumpingthem with meal

kk.man

kk.man wrote: »

I completely agree. Last Thursday was a big sale in Kk mart I'd say 70% of the animals were 1st timers. 29% were 2nd timers or more. 1% were outlyers and I bet a dealer had them as they came from the west of Ireland. Brisk bidding as they came in the ring but not worth it hungry or no hungry.
430kgs fr or thereabouts at 2 years is animal cruelty.

Exact same in listowel, the yard was 95% full of house cattle.

I went down to buy cattle from a lad in Ballybunnion last week. He showed me the sandunes where he said there could be 300 Hereford cattle wintered long ago,all fed with racks of hay. Taken back up to around Adare for the summer then.

Albert Johnson

Robson99 wrote: »

Agree totally.
It's getting harder each year to buy storey type cattle.
Funny thing is lads would get as much for them without pumpingthem with meal

Those storey types are such a rarity that any few that appear make a total ransom and as you say the price difference is minimal between a similar store or fat beast. I see plenty of lad's lorrying meal to weanlings all winter to have them 100kg heavier and take €150 more than there lighter comrades come sale time. I'm becoming akin to a broken record I know but the most thing I see those type of lad's accumulating is a pile of empty meal bags.

Limestone Cowboy

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Those storey types are such a rarity that any few that appear make a total ransom and as you say the price difference is minimal between a similar store or fat beast. I see plenty of lad's lorrying meal to weanlings all winter to have them 100kg heavier and take €150 more than there lighter comrades come sale time. I'm becoming akin to a broken record I know but the most thing I see those type of lad's accumulating is a pile of empty meal bags.

I often wondered what the future was for the weanlings with the steam rising out of them at the mart. I made the mistake a few times of buying them and it nearly always turned out that I had a storey one at home that I wouldn't have much value in would pass them out, they get a horrible scour that lasts for an eternity when you try to readjust them to a normal diet. Feeding covers up a lot of flaws. Nothing more disheartening than giving a rob for a beast to look at it go backwards. I don't even think you would have them much heavier at the end of their second summer whichever way you go, I weighed all my year and a half heifers the end of last August and they were all 550-600kg after being thrown out on a bleak winterage and 3kgs of nuts for 5 months after being weaned. I'd say the heaviest of them were 350kg back to 300kg when they went to grass in April. Some of them were probably heavier when I weaned them. If I'd shown them in April there would have been fellas saying they were screws.

bogman_bass

Trade on fire in Carnaross yesterday.
Sold a 600kg PT bullock. 24 moths 1670.
Good luck to whoever bought him

amacca

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I often wondered what the future was for the weanlings with the steam rising out of them at the mart. I made the mistake a few times of buying them and it nearly always turned out that I had a storey one at home that I wouldn't have much value in would pass them out, they get a horrible scour that lasts for an eternity when you try to readjust them to a normal diet. Feeding covers up a lot of flaws. Nothing more disheartening than giving a rob for a beast to look at it go backwards. I don't even think you would have them much heavier at the end of their second summer whichever way you go, I weighed all my year and a half heifers the end of last August and they were all 550-600kg after being thrown out on a bleak winterage and 3kgs of nuts for 5 months after being weaned. I'd say the heaviest of them were 350kg back to 300kg when they went to grass in April. Some of them were probably heavier when I weaned them. If I'd shown them in April there would have been fellas saying they were screws.

Same with calves pumped full of milk....

Backwards is the direction they go.

SuperTortoise

Having sold a lock of year olds over the last few weeks i'm no worse off having fed them a bit of meal, i believe there is a market for quality well fed cattle as well.

SuperTortoise

465kg 12 months €900 FRx
405kg 11 months €990 twin
350kg 9 months €910
385kg 10 months €840 FRx
370kg 11 months €1000 twin
375kg 11 months €980

The 2 FRx were bought in to suck cows that lost a calf.

Edit: all heifers.

MIKEKC

SuperTortoise wrote: »

465kg 12 months €900 FRx
405kg 11 months €990 twin
350kg 9 months €910
385kg 10 months €840 FRx
370kg 11 months €1000 twin
375kg 11 months €980

The 2 FRx were bought in to suck cows that lost a calf.

I wouldn't say you are any worse off, but would say they got more than a bit of meal to get these weights

Water John

SuperTortoise wrote: »

465kg 12 months €900 FRx
405kg 11 months €990 twin
350kg 9 months €910
385kg 10 months €840 FRx
370kg 11 months €1000 twin
375kg 11 months €980

The 2 FRx were bought in to suck cows that lost a calf.

The twins made €2K, maybe lads should go back to double suckling. Cow carry a spare for free. Desperate work getting them to take.

Bass Reeves

SuperTortoise wrote: »

465kg 12 months €900 FRx
405kg 11 months €990 twin
350kg 9 months €910
385kg 10 months €840 FRx
370kg 11 months €1000 twin
375kg 11 months €980

The 2 FRx were bought in to suck cows that lost a calf.

Edit: all heifers.

They left as much as any other calf you could have put on the cows maybe more