Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

dalyboy · 05-05-2021 02:52PM

faceman wrote: »

Spain are planning on phasing out face masks by the end of the summer

It’s a pity that they don’t consider relaxing the mask mandates a bit earlier.

France and Portugal will be the tourist winners this summer imo (more lax mask laws)

Donald Trump · 05-05-2021 02:59PM

Ineedamiracle wrote: »

Just booked my flights to Portugal out on 25 May back on 25 June from Belfast. 77.89pound

Be silly not taking them prices

Are you confident that you'll be let in? Is there a firm date for current restrictions to be lifted?

dalyboy · 05-05-2021 03:04PM

Ineedamiracle wrote: »

Just booked my flights to Portugal out on 25 May back on 25 June from Belfast. 77.89pound

Be silly not taking them prices

I reckon you’ll be ok for flying by then (3 weeks away)
Portugal is going to need summer dollars.

That’s a nice one month break away you’ve booked. More power to you.

dalyboy · 05-05-2021 03:06PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Are you confident that you'll be let in? Is there a firm date for current restrictions to be lifted?

Most airlines are offering a refund if worse comes to worse. That said .. it’s a small enough outlay for that flight. It’s worth the gamble imo

05-05-2021 03:17PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Most airlines are offering a refund if worse comes to worse. That said .. it’s a small enough outlay for that flight. It’s worth the gamble imo

How much for the additional suitcase for all the turtlenecks?

Wallander · 05-05-2021 03:43PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I see Varadkar spouting again:

Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has said he “”hopes August will be the month when things are relatively normal again in Ireland.””

However i think it’s not looking good for future travel, his latest statement is this:

But he said not everything may be the same and there would be questions about mass gatherings and indoor events and international travel

A couple of months ago Varadkar was saying he'd be very surprised if the UK managed to stick to its lockdown easing plan as it seemed way too ambitious. He's entitled to make predictions, but they might not be any better than mine or yours.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 05-05-2021 03:44PM

The €2000 fine for attempting to leave the Irish state (S.I. No. 168 & 170 of 2021 (Health Act 1947) expired yesterday 4 May and has not yet been renewed. I wonder if that means it is now gone or if they are just disorganised and today is just a window of escape from Eircatraz.

This just popped up on twitter.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Haven't had a chance to read through the full thing yet, but it does mention May 4th in there.....

the corpo · 05-05-2021 03:52PM

If the EU green cert comes into play, and you're lucky enough to be fully vaccinated, is there legally anything that can be done to prevent travel in the EU, from Ireland?

drunkmonkey · 05-05-2021 03:54PM

faceman wrote: »

Spain are planning on phasing out face masks by the end of the summer

The Balearics are the only region not mandating them for beaches and pools at the moment I think.

Ray Donovan · 05-05-2021 04:18PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

The €2000 fine for attempting to leave the Irish state (S.I. No. 168 & 170 of 2021 (Health Act 1947) expired yesterday 4 May and has not yet been renewed. I wonder if that means it is now gone or if they are just disorganised and today is just a window of escape from Eircatraz.

This just popped up on twitter.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Haven't had a chance to read through the full thing yet, but it does mention May 4th in there.....

I’m not a legal eagle but I don’t think this is the case.

Lumen · 05-05-2021 04:29PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I’m not a legal eagle but I don’t think this is the case.

S.I. No. 168 of 2021 clearly states

"These Regulations, other than Regulations 12(3), 13(2)(h) and 13(3), shall come into operation on the 12th day of April 2021 and shall have effect for the period beginning on that date and ending on the 4th day of May 2021."

Regulation 5 of that SI covers "an applicable person shall not travel to an airport or port for the purpose of leaving the State without reasonable excuse.".

S.I. No. 212 of 2021 mentions Regulation 5, but I think that's the Regulation 5 of itself, relating to Construction and development, rather than Regulation 5 of the Principal Regulations, i.e. S.I. 168.

One would have thought that if they were renewing Regulation 5 of SI 168 that would be included in SI 212, that being published on 4 May 2021, the same day that Reg 5 expired.

IANAL either.

dalyboy · 05-05-2021 04:41PM

UK is allowing international travel from 17th May onwards

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/holiday-hotspot-deemed-safest-europe-24042251.amp

Green list to be announced this Friday

“Malta and Gibraltar” shoo ins

“ And while the list is expected to be small to start with, plenty of holiday favourites, including France, and mainland Greece and Spain, are tipped to be added by the end of June.”

“ Rosa Ana Morilla Rodriguez, director general of tourism for the Balearic islands, said she is "very optimistic" a deal can be agreed to open Mallorca, Ibiza, Menorca and Formentera to Brits before June”

Best news I’ve read in ages.
This totally opens up travel for us Irish via Belfast from June or beforehand

05-05-2021 04:46PM

Lumen wrote: »

S.I. No. 168 of 2021 clearly states

"These Regulations, other than Regulations 12(3), 13(2)(h) and 13(3), shall come into operation on the 12th day of April 2021 and shall have effect for the period beginning on that date and ending on the 4th day of May 2021."

Regulation 5 of that SI covers "an applicable person shall not travel to an airport or port for the purpose of leaving the State without reasonable excuse.".

S.I. No. 212 of 2021 mentions Regulation 5, but I think that's the Regulation 5 of itself, relating to Construction and development, rather than Regulation 5 of the Principal Regulations, i.e. S.I. 168.

One would have thought that if they were renewing Regulation 5 of SI 168 that would be included in SI 212, that being published on 4 May 2021, the same day that Reg 5 expired.

IANAL either.

He amended the principle regulation which is the Health Amendment Act 2021 by changing reference to the 4th May to the 10th May so fines still in place

however, I find it very telling that he only added 6 days

faceman · 05-05-2021 04:52PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The Balearics are the only region not mandating them for beaches and pools at the moment I think.

I’m not up on the rules for all regions but they are not mandated for my region, Valencia either

Lumen · 05-05-2021 04:54PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

He amended the principle regulation which is the Health Amendment Act 2021 by changing reference to the 4th May to the 10th May so fines still in place

however, I find it very telling that he only added 6 days

10 May is when inter-county travel is derestricted.

This makes sense. The EU response to a complaint (quoted earlier in this thread) was that the international travel ban was considered proportionate given that the pandemic was apparently so bad here that we weren't allowed to move around domestically (I'm paraphrasing).

Without the domestic restriction the international restriction is no longer justified.

Therefore they're unlocking national and international travel at the same time.

dalyboy · 05-05-2021 04:56PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

He amended the principle regulation which is the Health Amendment Act 2021 by changing reference to the 4th May to the 10th May so fines still in place

however, I find it very telling that he only added 6 days

Is it feasible that instead of renewing a 3 month travel ban that they instead have a continuous 6 day rolling of the rule ? (maybe until the Euro green cert is ironed out)

Chuck Norris 2021 · 05-05-2021 05:36PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

He amended the principle regulation which is the Health Amendment Act 2021 by changing reference to the 4th May to the 10th May so fines still in place

however, I find it very telling that he only added 6 days

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I’m not a legal eagle but I don’t think this is the case.

Lumen wrote: »

S.I. No. 168 of 2021 clearly states

"These Regulations, other than Regulations 12(3), 13(2)(h) and 13(3), shall come into operation on the 12th day of April 2021 and shall have effect for the period beginning on that date and ending on the 4th day of May 2021."

Regulation 5 of that SI covers "an applicable person shall not travel to an airport or port for the purpose of leaving the State without reasonable excuse.".

S.I. No. 212 of 2021 mentions Regulation 5, but I think that's the Regulation 5 of itself, relating to Construction and development, rather than Regulation 5 of the Principal Regulations, i.e. S.I. 168.

One would have thought that if they were renewing Regulation 5 of SI 168 that would be included in SI 212, that being published on 4 May 2021, the same day that Reg 5 expired.

IANAL either.

Thanks, I must admit I was too lazy/busy to read through it :pac:. It makes sense that it has been realigned to the intercounty date. Given the way it's worded, it's pretty clear it has to die a death with the domestic restrictions.

Frank Bullitt · 05-05-2021 06:03PM

Gonna book a trip home to Ireland for this August, **** it. If it gets cancelled then so be it, but it is encouraging seeing the numbers for vaccines go up in Ireland and here in Vancouver.

Don't care if the pubs are open, I just need to see my family.

Darwin · 05-05-2021 06:04PM

Lumen wrote: »

10 May is when inter-county travel is derestricted.

This makes sense. The EU response to a complaint (quoted earlier in this thread) was that the international travel ban was considered proportionate given that the pandemic was apparently so bad here that we weren't allowed to move around domestically (I'm paraphrasing).

Without the domestic restriction the international restriction is no longer justified.

Therefore they're unlocking national and international travel at the same time.

That's the way it looks alright, hopefully this is the end of all this nonsense. I see the French ambassador was expressing his displeasure at the MHQ measures on morning Ireland.

talulon · 05-05-2021 06:37PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

Just out of interest, are you asked for a reason each time you travel?

Yes and no.

On my way out, as soon as they see Spanish passport/ID they are fine. I got asked a couple of times what's the reason of the travel but I never got the feeling they cared.

On my way back, PCR test checks and ask for the reason to travel back, I work and live here so nothing else to add.

What I've seen is a lot of irish travelling for "medical appointments" that get ask a lot of follow up questions on the way out.

talulon · 05-05-2021 06:41PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Just to clarify some points on this, is it possible to sit at a table outside for 2 hrs drinking beer/wine and not put a mask on? Or is it expected you make some effort when not strictly consuming something? Same goes for indoor bars I suppose.

Are masks expected when lounging by a hotel pool? I realise Spain is regional and may have differing guidelines

No issue with wearing masks outdoors on the street besides that, you do get used to it even in heat imo

2 things, 1 is the rules and a different what's enforced.

If you are sitting on a terrace nobody will tell you anything nor the police. You are supposed to have it all times but it's non-sense when you are eating/drinking.

Indoors, depending on the region they are open or not. Same with the masks, while sitting you are fine, put them on when moving.

As for the hotels, this will depend how strict hotels are. Same rules apply.

What you need to really take into account is that Spanish people are used to wear the masks at this point and most won't probably feel confortable if you are next to them without it. Again, if you are laying down on the beach or swimming pool nobody will tell you anything but if you move, wear it.

talulon · 05-05-2021 06:45PM

faceman wrote: »

Spain are planning on phasing out face masks by the end of the summer

I don't think this will happen to be honest in the short term. Spain only passed a more strict law end of last march to enforce mask use.

faceman · 05-05-2021 06:48PM

talulon wrote: »

I don't think this will happen to be honest in the short term. Spain only passed a more strict law end of last march to enforce mask use.

That’s not entirely correct. The rules for people didn’t change, the law it fell under did. I’m over simplifying the legalese of it but either way the law made no changes for people.

talulon · 05-05-2021 06:57PM

faceman wrote: »

That’s not entirely correct. The rules for people didn’t change, the law it fell under did. I’m over simplifying the legalese of it but either way the law made no changes for people.

Whatever, masks are mandatory and will be during the summer.

saabsaab · 05-05-2021 06:59PM

Darwin wrote: »

That's the way it looks alright, hopefully this is the end of all this nonsense. I see the French ambassador was expressing his displeasure at the MHQ measures on morning Ireland.

I didn't hear what he said but as with the Italian ambassador they can hardly talk to us either.

Happydays2020 · 05-05-2021 07:39PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

The €2000 fine for attempting to leave the Irish state (S.I. No. 168 & 170 of 2021 (Health Act 1947) expired yesterday 4 May and has not yet been renewed. I wonder if that means it is now gone or if they are just disorganised and today is just a window of escape from Eircatraz.

This just popped up on twitter.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Haven't had a chance to read through the full thing yet, but it does mention May 4th in there.....

Unless I am reading it wrong it was a 6 day extension

Marcusm · 05-05-2021 07:57PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Unless I am reading it wrong it was a 6 day extension

You are right which seems to mean that the fine for going to a port or airport now lapses on 10 May and “no international travel except for essential reasons” becomes advisory rather than a penal provision.

Donald Trump · 05-05-2021 08:01PM

the corpo wrote: »

If the EU green cert comes into play, and you're lucky enough to be fully vaccinated, is there legally anything that can be done to prevent travel in the EU, from Ireland?

The green cert is fundamentally a mechanism to enable to sharing of standardised information. This should facilitate travel, but there would be no absolute obligations to any individual country beyond treating other EU citizens the same as your own citizens.

If a person lands at Frankfurt airport from Bulgaria and says they are vaccinated, with the green cert then the authorities there can verify that easily on their system.

If there was no green cert, you might have that Bulgarian passenger landing with a scribbled note from their doctor saying they were vaccinated etc. And then you might have a passenger landing from Paris who was their own status on a French app on their phone and a Belgian landing with a print out of a certificate of vaccination etc.

vasis1 · 05-05-2021 08:22PM

Marcusm wrote: »

You are right which seems to mean that the fine for going to a port or airport now lapses on 10 May and “no international travel except for essential reasons” becomes advisory rather than a penal provision.

My assumption is they will just keep extending the main regulations while adding amendments.

Ray Donovan · 05-05-2021 08:24PM

vasis1 wrote: »

My assumption is they will just keep extending the main regulations while adding amendments.

First post is to knock all our hopes on the head? Nice!!!

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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